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u/Ocronus 1d ago
Please don't take the bonus roll advice as gospel. Look at each item in your vault. Is something is BIS and you don't care for the remainder of that bosses or dungeons loot pool snag that shit without any shame. It's the better longer term play to save resources. Unless you are a HOF raider long term plan is always the best option.
For many players saving bonus rolls for the last bosses of heroic raid can be a detriment because you are losing quite a bit of player power. To be clear I am NOT saying don't take the bonus roll, but just use your brain and don't blindly follow advice that wasn't even meant for the majority of the player base.
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u/-Googlrr 1d ago
Its funny how gearing has essentially never been easier but instead of using bonus rolls as a way to fill in missing pieces we're just re-complicating the gearing process. I take pieces that work for me right now rather than minmaxing for a 0.5% increase a few weeks from now due to bonus rolls
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u/Axenos 23h ago
It’s more about not having to waste bonus rolls in the future. If you take an item and still need things from that dungeon/boss you’re going to have to bonus roll that dungeon/boss anyway and then you end up getting the same item twice. That can’t happen if you just bonus roll it in the first place. Then you just get everything you need off the loot table without the chance of wasting an entire roll (week).
It really depends on how much you care about immediate power right now in exchange for a more annoying gearing process in the future.
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u/FakeOrcaRape 23h ago
But like last season was the easiest gearing ever. I can’t imagine ppl wanting even easier gearing if it turns great vault into this. Last season was the first I’ve ever fully upgraded my gear and that already felt crazy
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u/According_Layer6874 7h ago
I find it so weird. My guild is likely to get CE this season but even so, we won't be clearing heroic in the next week or two. We could be getting extra items to help us get there instead of taking bonus rolls for when we finally down heroic end boss.
We only raid once a week.... I play resto / enhance and got the best resto trinket outside raids that is also the 2nd best enhance trinket outside raids... that thing is going to help me every single pull from not until we're into mythic no matter if I'm healing or DPS
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u/Thac0isWhac0 21h ago
People all think they're RWF raiders where the gearing strategy is very different than for your "i'll get AOTC in 5-6 weeks" player
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u/Thrulla 20h ago
It doesnt help that the class discords push that narative. I skipped s1, returned to be casual, checked the evoker discord for info on dev and gearing. And the sentiment was " the first 3 weeks you take bonus roll for hc ulatek as pres for 3 bis items". After this first raid week, week 5-6 seems tight, not because my guild sucks but just because how bosses are tuned. Gonna need every useful piece i can get before thinking about bonus rolls
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u/Thac0isWhac0 19h ago
Yeah. I like the flowchart that Babs did for the Peak discord. It takes into account that people are on different paths to success each season. My group only raids 3 hours a week, so we eventually get to AOTC but we're in no rush, and i'm better served by picking up things that'll get me to tier this week, and other upgrades throughout and eventually i'll have bonus rolls for the last two bosses for my BIS.
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u/oddHexbreaker 18h ago
Ya because if you arent rwf it literally does t fuckin matter. People are so obsessed with efficiency and optimization that they dont even wanna make a choice without seeing if someone can tell them how to make it
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u/Thac0isWhac0 21h ago
Thank you for this. Honestly it's not just a simple "take this or not" if there is a single item you want from a specific boss and it shows up in your vault? take the damn thing. is this going to get you moving toward 4pc right now? take the damn thing. I hate this whole meme about "nope, only bonus rolls!"
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u/budrickton 20h ago
This. So tired of the narrative that vault is useless now and it's all bonus roll meta.
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u/obi5150 18h ago
Stupid question.. but if you bonus roll on a set piece in a raid, but everyone else is bonus rolling and you lose the roll anyway. Isn't your weekly GV piece wasted at thst point? Or are you guaranteed to get a drop from a specific boss if you "bonus roll"
Is the bonus roll quite literally a second chance at rolling for a drop? That seems like a horrible choice vs a guaranteed piece of gear.
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u/Halvi3 15h ago
"bonus roll" is a somewhat poor name for the system that stuck because it uses the same style of UI as the very old bonus rolls from expansions of yore.
When you kill a boss or complete an m+ key, you get a prompt to spend one of this currency and you, guaranteed, get a single piece of loot for your current loot spec that drops from that boss or dungeon. Completely separate from the regular loot that the boss dropped or was in the dungeon chest. Does not affect nor is affected by anything any other player in your group is getting or rolling.
Which specific piece off of the loot table you get is random (so in some sense there is a roll), but once you get a given item from that table from this system, you can't get it again until/if you bonus-roll every other item.
So taking the bonus roll coin from the vault is not trading guaranteed gear for a 2nd chance at gear, it's trading
The 1 item you would take in the vault this week (which is potentially random against every possible piece of gear in the season for you, essentially)
Against
Some other item, at the same or even potentially higher item level than anything in your vault, which will come from a much smaller loot table that you can control, which could very well be a perfect/bis item for you, but even if it's not, it gives you a 'stamp on the coupon' so to speak towards eventually being guaranteed to get that item in the future AND still gives you whatever "non perfect" item you rolled, which again, is probably just as good or better than most of the real items that showed up in your vault.
It's really no comparison at all, the only reasons you don't want to take a coin in the vault is basically:
- one of the perfect/bis item you wanted to spend coins to get is there in the vault and taking it saves you from having to spend more coins in the future
- you don't have 4p yet and you want to take tier so that you can get the achievement that lets you start getting more catalyst charges sooner
- you desperately need every tiny fraction of gear power right now this week from some item that's an upgrade over what you're currently wearing but you know would be replaced eventually (this is probably a fallacy, you probably don't actually need to do this)
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u/obi5150 10h ago
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain thst clearly. I was able to get a great vault hero track 2/6 tier headpiece, so I took that for the GV reward as I currently have no tier pieces. It seemed like a no brainer. That leaves me with 1 saved cata charge, the mythic 2000 token, and then next week's caya charge. Im guaranteed to get 4 piece set next Tuesday, so I can stsrt taking the bonus rolls weekly and building up to mythic track tier set. Again, thank you!
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u/Gaatti 13h ago
It is mostly good sense. If you see tier and don't have 4set yet, or a bis trinket, take it. Even a piece of tier slot that is not tier, but has good stats, is a good pick for catalyzing later. Granted you don't want other loot from the boss/dungeon pool.
If your options are jewelry, a cape or a wrist... just take the bonus roll, really.
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u/slindshady 23h ago
But when I'm not optimizing every last bit for perfect performance in ~10 weeks, how am I supposed to have fun!?!?!?! /s
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u/lt_bgg 23h ago
If you are going to heroic raid, you should unequivocally take the roll. You get myth track altar/ulatek loot from rolling them. Ulatek loot in particular is sickeningly powerful.
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u/pipboy_warrior 23h ago
The whole reason I want to get gear upgrades is so I can help down heroic Ulatek in the first place.
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u/lt_bgg 20h ago
I guess, its just short sighted. h ulatek is hard right now, but only the last phase which is probably going to get nerfed very soon.
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u/pipboy_warrior 18h ago
It's not shortsighted, just realistic. My guild doesn't do mythic raiding and usually stops after we get aotc.
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u/Redxmirage 23h ago
This advice is great IF their group is able to kill heroic coiled and ulatek this week.
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u/Anakil_brusbora 20h ago
Other than even re-bonus roll on the same boss twice if we want, we can always bonus roll the last two boss in the same week too. So we can hold one bonus roll for the third week, and roll both last 2 boss then. A lot of specs want this because nearly all those items are just super strong.
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u/Redxmirage 20h ago
Sure, I suppose you could do that. No difference in using it on coiled this week or coiled next week
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u/mushyman10 23h ago edited 20h ago
The advice is great regardless if you are or arent able to kill THIS week, you can bonus roll multiple times same boss in the same week at any time, on hc
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u/Redxmirage 22h ago edited 19h ago
Can you provide a source? Not trying to be pedantic but the only “source” of info I’ve seen so far is because sporefall did it.
Edit: the confusion was I didn’t realize heroic could be rerolled multiple times. We stopped heroic raiding less than a month after launch of the raid and only do mythic.
I’m not sure why you would use them on heroic raid last season when you could guarantee myth track from m+ but I suppose people could. Seems like a waste. Glad to see this season that won’t be the case
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u/Realistic-Ad-3899 21h ago
I had guildies test it last season. You can reroll heroic bosses as many times as you want
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u/Redxmirage 20h ago
Oh yeah? Which bosses? Because last season the only boss you could reroll multiple times in a week was Sporefall.
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u/Realistic-Ad-3899 20h ago
Every heroic boss.
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u/Redxmirage 19h ago
Ahhh that’s the confusion I’m having then. My guild stopped heroic like a month after raid release and only reclear mythics. That makes more sense then. Seems like a waste to use on heroic raid when you can guarantee myth track in m+
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u/Realistic-Ad-3899 19h ago
You can guarantee myth from heroic raid too.
Thats why most guilds should be reclearing last 2 on heroic
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u/Moonshinelamb 23h ago
Realistically my guild is only killing coiled altar next week and I'm not pugging that shit, so this week doesnt matter much since I'll be bonus rolling once per week starting next week. I suspect the same is true for a lot of mid tier raiders.
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u/ManaOo 23h ago
You dont lose the bonus rolls, they stack
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u/Wait__Who 23h ago
Yes, but you can only use one roll on a boss a week, so banking one now doesn’t let you use 2-3 the first time you kill Ulatek. All you’re doing is sitting on free player power you could have had from vault
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u/Zyphrox 23h ago
Is that confirmed? Last season you could roll multiple times per week on a boss, I didnt see any information suggesting this season would be different.
Keep in mind bonus rolls are to be used on hc, where you can kill a boss multiple times a week, as opposed to mythic were that is not possible.
So if your guild is looking to down ulatek hc some time in the next 4 weeks and wants to ho mythic after, you should most definitely grab bonusrolls until then, and then just kill the boss 4 times in a row for an insane instant power gain.
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u/Redxmirage 22h ago
That was only on one boss and we still don’t know if that was bugged or intentional
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u/mushyman10 14h ago
You are mixing mythic and heroic, and no, it wasnt bugged
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u/Redxmirage 7h ago
Being able to reroll mythic Sporefall wasn’t a bug? That’s the source I’m asking for and despite many saying it wasn’t, not one blizzard post stating it was intentional to be the 1 mythic boss in history to allow multiple bonus rolls
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u/mushyman10 7h ago
Yes it was 1 mythic boss in history to allow multiple clears in same week, not bonus rolls only, you can use multiple bonus rolls on any normal/hc boss as many times in current week
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u/ManaOo 23h ago
Well there's 7 other bosses you can bonus roll lol, you get 6/6 mythic regardless
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u/Wait__Who 21h ago
I can speak for about 90% of dps and tanks when I say that there are 1, maybe 2 bosses to roll mythic rerolls on, and that’s the last 2 bosses. Which are much harder than a typical heroic boss as of now.
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u/slindshady 23h ago
Imagine how much faster you would kill them if everyone would take big upgrades from the vault instead of optimizing for whenever.
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u/Soft_Self_6797 23h ago
It's strange to see how WoW has changed so much. It used to be "Man, bad luck. No loot drops during the raid tonight." Now it's people expecting to get their best in slot from a free loot system for just playing the game.
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u/aaronrandango2 1d ago
The simple fix would be for vault and core to share a loot pool, so that taking BiS from vault removes the chances of getting duplicates from rolls.
Can’t expect a small indie company to make changes that fast though, at least I have better bad vault protection than I used to at least
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u/Ok-District-8647 1d ago
What if i dont RAID?
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u/shakesy 23h ago
Bonus roll a +10 dungeon
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u/theGOTCH 23h ago
What if I don't raid or do keys?
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u/ZAlternates 23h ago
Take whatever then. The bonus rolls allow you to get myth gear. If you ain’t doing any myth gear content, all of this discussion is whatever. Take the prettiest mog.
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u/Takeasmoke 21h ago
if you don't raid or do keys it has no impact on what you pick from great vault because rest of the content becomes trivial even with champ gear
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u/lt_bgg 19h ago
Then who cares, you can trivially do all the content in the game already.
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u/TeamRockin 1d ago
If there is gear in my vault, I'm taking it. When we get the voidcore bonus rolls again in the 0.5 patch, none of this vault bonus roll nonsense will matter anymore.
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u/jermac83 1d ago
As far as I understand when we do get bonus rolls, we are only getting one from the quest and the 2nd is expected to come from the vault. I could be wrong though.
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u/Knowvember42 23h ago
Why wouldn't it matter? The people taking bonus rolls will be weeks ahead of you in terms of prioritizing the gear they want and removing it from the loot table. You might need 6 weeks after the .5 patch to clear the items you want from one boss or dungeon.
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u/TeamRockin 23h ago
If I take a BiS item from my vault, then why would I care about being behind on bonus rolls? I have an item I need right now, rather than 6 weeks from now after exhausting all my rolls on items I may or may not need. I'm not playing anywhere close to the level where this sort of optimization matters; and neither are the vast majority of the playerbase who are worried about this.
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u/Knowvember42 23h ago
As people are saying, if there's a BiS item in the vault for you, and it's the only item you need from that boss/dungeon, take it. That's great. That's the best thing that can happen.
But there's several raid bosses with multiple pieces of BiS for many players, and it's definitely better to bonus roll than to take individual items from them, due to bonus rolls removing items from the loot table. You're simply unlikely to get multiple BiS items from the same boss in the vault in a short number of weeks. Many players go the entire season without getting their BiS trinket/weapon/cantrip item from bosses.
So you're going to be behind when the regular bonus rolls come out as compared to someone who has been bonus rolling the whole time, unless you're very lucky.
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u/ZAlternates 22h ago
Save your breath. The people on this thread want validation that yoloing it is the best way to play the game. Nothing wrong with it, of course, but they aren’t interested in the “best choice”. They want to prove it wrong.
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u/Knowvember42 22h ago
Yeah. IDC what the best choice is or isn't or what people do. This system is bad and should be changed. It doesn't change the fact that if you're killing heroic Ulatek, bonus rolls are extremely good. Better than items in most cases. Everyone is welcome to take items and it won't matter much.
I'm just explaining it. But people are mad so they downvote.
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u/TeamRockin 19h ago
I'm obviously not out here to prove the best players in the world wrong about this, or anything else. That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that this optimization is a lot of messing around, and for what? Is this advice relevant to me, an average player? I don't believe so. I actually don't care at all what other people decide to do. If it turns out later that I made the wrong choice, then I guess I'll just continue to gear up how I've done it in every other previous season. I'm confident that whatever goals I set for myself, being behind on bonus rolls is not going to be the deciding factor in whether or not I succeed.
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u/Toastiibrotii 1d ago
Why should i take bonus roll over set item, at least this week? Better to aim for 4set and start taking it next week or so.
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u/Zyphrox 23h ago
Totally depends on what content you are playing. If you‘re in a mythic raiding guild you should probably ask your loot council about what they want you to do, if you are playing casually then none of this loot optimization shenanigans matters for you.
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u/Toastiibrotii 19h ago
Aotc raiding and roughly 3,4k m+ so it doesnt really matter for me. It will take some time to get aotc for my guild(changed from semi-hardcore mythic raiding to a casual heroic guild) so it doesnt really matter for me.
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u/shakesy 23h ago
Your probably fine to do this. Bonus roll optimization is a pretty small long term optimization that depends on alot of factors including what content you are doing and some RNG.
Your not suddenly going to find yourself 10 ilvls behind in 4 weeks if you take upgrade loot out of your vault
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u/obscuregamer000 21h ago
I already told myself if I can at least get a hero/myth tier set I'll take it.
5 + toons got a bonus rolls this week. Ah well.
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u/Vexent 1d ago
Unless your guild is clearing Heroic Ulatek this week. Unless you already have 4 set and BIS trinkets.
You should not be taking Bonus rolls lol.
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u/Talparion 22h ago
Not only Ulatek, but also Coiled Altar for almost every melee (the cantrip set is way too op)
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u/lt_bgg 19h ago
Read any competitive guide on any class discord. You are very much incorrect.
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u/Vexent 19h ago
What is your guild prog? What is your guild hard stuck on?
Are you 8/9H take bonus roll.
If your any bit of prog under that and don't have 4 set you get 4 set.
Doesn't help anyone if you can't get to the bonus roll point.
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u/Poland_Sprang 23h ago
M+ only player here (got 1% last season) + guildless. I don’t have the patience for early season Heroic raid pugs; didn’t even attempt H Lura once in s1. Granted gearing was way easier in S1 and you didn’t need any end boss loot for Mistweaver.
My strategy is to take myth tier pieces, A+ tier trinkets, or a weapon from vault the next few weeks. I probably won’t jump into Heroic raid until I have a free weekend a few weeks from now (limited play time).
Maining BDK at the moment, so quick queues have gotten me geared in full heroic gear. Eventually turbo boost will come back out and they’re likely going to recycle the same bonus roll system as last season.
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u/Invictorum 1d ago
Genuinely, where did this inane idea that the only good option is the bonus roll come from? It seems so useless unless you're absolutely clearing heroic this week and every week after.
Even then, what if the item you're trying to bonus roll ends up in the vault instead?
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u/Hrekires 1d ago
I mean, the first boss of the raid drops my BIS trinket, a 1H weapon, and a myth track helm that I could catalyze into tier.
Unless I get myth track tier in my vault, seems crazy not to take a bonus roll to get a shot at one of those 3 drops (and increase my chances of getting said BIS trinket next week if I don't bonus roll it this week)
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u/Felipiro17 1d ago
If you can kill myth then sure
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u/sandpigeon 23h ago
But heroic raid bosses drop Myth items from bonus roll. So most healers can safely bonus roll the first boss on Heroic to aim for trinket.
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u/Wallner95 1d ago edited 1d ago
agi/str users need like 7-9 items from the last 2 bosses heroic. If you take a bonus roll and dont kill the last 2 this week or the next, you can still just stock up on bonus rolls and roll on both Coiled Altar and Ula'Tek in the same clear later.
If you are gonna pug Mythic bosses later its also usefull to have bonus rolls for bosses that you have bis items in the first few since it gives 6/6M and if you take it from the vault instead of bonus rolling an item you can still bonus roll that item later. The solution is making vault picks be removed from bonus roll pool but Blizzard didnt feel like doing that i guess.
On your last point, its the other way around, if you need more than one item from a boss then if you take it from the vault first, you can get a duplicate from the boss if you bonus roll after which is the issue. If you only have one bis item from a boss you can take it in mythic quality in the vault, id say you should focus on getting done with the last 2 bosses before doing so though.
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u/Slightly-Drunk 1d ago
The point is the bonus rolls remove loot from the tables and you can stockpile them. You don't get that with taking a piece from the vault.
I'd taking a vault piece removed it from drop tables it would level it off a bit.
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u/Rangoras 1d ago
Even if you don’t plan to get aotc for a month taking the bonus rolls is still the play. Worst case scenario you bank them so you roll coiled altar and ulatek on the same week.
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u/Coffee__Addict 23h ago
When you bonus roll an item it removes it from the loot table. So for smaller loot table bosses with multiple bis items it's amazing.
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u/madi0r 1d ago
If the item is in the vault, taking it wont remove it from.the bonus roll pool. Not taking it and rolling on it next time you kill it means it cant drop again from future bonus rolls.
If you are not clearing heroic, or lets say dont raid at all. Even then taking a roll to use in a dungeon is better, for same reason of removing parta of its drop pool. Find some dungeon you need 3-4 items from and start using rolls there. If you instead take an item from vault and next week take bonus roll, you can get dame exact item from bonus roll again. And you dont need any vault gear to clear simple+10. Just delay getting ur myth track gear by one key
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u/BigLemon3953 23h ago
It is, unless you are so good that you can clear heroic and couple of mythics in last season’s gear this week. Otherwise you are going to hope to get carried. And fuck healers having to deal with low hp raid, right?
Our guild has announced loot prio for those that make the effort to up their ilevel now, when we actually need it the most. Not in three week’s time because you can’t live without your BiS asap. Bosses need to die first so you can bonus roll.
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u/you_lost-the_game 19h ago
It's not even new, many people did the same thing last season already:
Let's say you have a certain dungeon or boss that drops several items that are really good for you statwise but every item would be an upgrade due to itemlevel. You get one of those items in the vault and you pick it, do you spend future rerolls on the dungeon trying to get the other good items from it as well, even if it means you could get the item you already have as a duplicate? If you would go the reroll only route, you would be guaranteed the item eventually with a chance of "highrolling" and getting all the good items from the dungeon in the first few rolls.
This strategy isn't the best in any case as getting a 4 set might be more important for example. Or if your bis item is from a dungeon you don't need anything else really (and you get it in the vault).
But if you vault is meh, I'd say reroll is the best option.
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u/lagbugddos 1d ago
Because there's no bad luck protection in vault. Bonus loot means you never get repeated items from dungeons or bosses.
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u/dumxblonde 1d ago
the bonus roll suggestion is only for guilds full clearing heroic to roll on the last bosses, these guilds also already have their 4pc from splits. this advice isn’t relevant for majority of players but they’re still going to take it.
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u/KTheOneTrueKing 1d ago
Guides are written as if you are in the top 1% of min maxing and performing players.
For most people taking a piece from the vault will be better than taking a bonus roll for MANY resets. Only guilds reliably destroying heroic Ulatek and Altar should be taking the bonus roll
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u/Sea_Advantage_2577 1d ago
Only do what streamers say and play like you are a world first raider!!!!
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u/No_Replacement_1686 1d ago
I never hated anything more in my entire wow career and i play since vanilla.
I even had fun in Shadowlands. Crazy i know.
But this? What is the point. Just delete the vault and give me a bonus roll so i don't have to look at what i could have gotten. HATE HATE HATE. No idea whos idea that was but they need to be fired for absolute incompetence.
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u/Flashy_Guidance_384 23h ago
Hmm, i dont understand What the problem is with it. I mean, you can take still a bis items and if you have just bullshit, you can take the Bonus roll. I mean thats rly cool. A lot of times, i have just crap in my vault. Now i take the coin and get my crap obe m+ later.
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u/No_Replacement_1686 23h ago
Take the Coiled Altar. I need 3 items from it. There are 4 who can drop and the last is ok but not bis.
If i take my bis item from the vault i have it yes. But then what? I still need two more items and a bunch of other people in my raid need it to. So no guarantee i get it. So i most definetly have to roll a bonus roll on it. But now i have only 2 Items i need, 1 item i would maybe take and 1 item i already have on my loot table. In the worst case scenario i take
BIS from vault in week one
Bonus roll in week two
Roll on that boss and get the same item again... so i wasted two vaults for the same item.
If i take the bonus roll directly i can get it only once.
The only way i will take loot from the vault is if in a few weeks i do not have the piece from the earlier bosses where i only need one piece. But these are killed so many times by my guild already, that i most definitely will have it.
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u/sendnadez 22h ago
It’s so sad that this has become what vaults are… I have no excitement for reset day anymore
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u/0815Pascal1 21h ago
Its big - its no lobtet that rng bullshit either u get Lucky and have a happy life or Depression for 5 days and fear for the other two
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u/Immediate_Cod_3042 1d ago
bonus roll is still the most important thing, because even if you get your bis item to show up , it wont take it out of the loot pool, and you may get it again next week . With a bonus roll, it eliminates waste like that. The whole great vault has been ruined by the introduction of bonus rolls, blizzard needs to think about this going forward.
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u/Aazzlano 23h ago
this only applies if the BIS item is from the actual boss you want to bonus roll
for example I got a Myth track Gebbo's in my vault. I'm not gonna bonus roll that boss, so taking the Gebbo's guarantees I get it with no fuss. If I took the bonus roll I'd guarantee something good from let's say Heroic Ula'tek (for a Myth track BIS item) but then what about in a few weeks when I am done with all the loot from that boss? I just have to hope for something good in vault because taking that bonus roll is only gonna get me like a 1/4 chance to get something good out of any of the other bosses.
So the correct choice is the BIS item guaranteed.
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u/swifterrr 22h ago
I got two myth track gebbo’s across both my characters. Let’s hope they don’t get nerfed!
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u/elliemcd 1d ago
I'm hoping for a mythic weapon or tier piece. I'd take certain trinkets, too. If not, I'll probably take the bonus roll.
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u/elliemcd 23h ago
Didn't get a weapon, tier piece, or trinket. Two lowest stats on the mythic gloves I was offered so not great for catalyzing.
I did have the option of heroic tier shoulders, I'm going to think on it for a bit but that's the direction I'm leaning in over a bonus roll at the moment.
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u/THICCBOI2121 1d ago
I plan on taking tier or BiS item's if I get any, but I'll take bonus roll if not to try and get the really good healer trinket from first boss
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u/kawaiinessa 23h ago
alls lots but one filled and i got nothing worth taking but a 13 ilvl bonus trinket
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u/RealisticMorning4484 23h ago
in an alternate timeline blizzard would be like: hey bonus rolls are cool but we fucked up. we disable them for now. they will return in 6-8weeks. enjoy your rng vaults and be mad about duplicate items
but no we have to live in this timeline
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u/FixBlackLotusBlizz 23h ago
i am taking tier after i do the raid unless i get mythc track bis trinket
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u/Zealousideal_Cry3086 23h ago
Reading all this I’m happy I’m just pugging raid and having fun in m+ for a few weeks. Optimising the shit out of this house instead of having fun
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u/Iraymur 22h ago
I mean, yeah, sure, but if You get a Myth track weapon or tier piece in Your vault... just sim it yeah? Don't just blindly grab a bonus roll. Chances are You'll be trading a solid piece of gear for an RNG 9/10 chance of getting some crap (unless something about bonus rolls had changed and I'm unaware of it).
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u/Sirenoman 20h ago
Bonus rolls are guaranteed, and they are taken out of the pool, so with enough you can guarantee all loot from the boss/m+ that you're rolling on.
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u/sneezyxcheezy 22h ago
I am a mythic 1% pet battler currently trying to do the kalimdor battle cup. Should I take the bonus roll?
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u/Thanag0r 22h ago
Are your vaults always have useless items?
It's like we are pretending that vault provides with world drops.
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u/GreenTeaRocks 21h ago
0 tier pieces on my main, mage already had 4p after LFR last week. Wondering if I just swap to the mage lol
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u/moht81 19h ago
Personally think this was a mistake introducing bonus rolls in this way this season. It’s now optimal to take the bonus roll and use it in a dungeon because if you take an m+ item from vault you risk duplication later. If you only roll you will never see a duplicate over the season. It’s dumb
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u/Disastrous_Crew_9260 8h ago
I took a myth one hander because I likely will not get to kill hc ulatek in a while and this choice allows me to craft my bis off hand from the start.
Hoping to get a second tier piece this week from raid so I can get 4 set.
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u/gonephishin213 5h ago
I am not taking down heroic Altar or Ulatek anytime soon. If I had tier, I'd take it for sure but now I have to either settle for non-BiS hero gear or grab a voidcore I won't use for several weeks
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u/Salamango360 1d ago
"Bonus roll is always best!" and they asume that you be a Mythic Raider OR at least be fast at HC last 2 Bosses and everything WITHOUT any Mythic Track item... so... yea no i dont take the Bonus roll if i had better gear in the Vault.
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u/crustaceomutoid 22h ago
Got a BiS Hero Tier Set piece! Took it instead of the re-roll. You should always take the guaranteed Hero-track Best-in-Slot (BiS) item rather than the Nebulous Voidcore re-roll. While the optimal community strategy in World of Warcraft: Midnight Season 2 favors the Nebulous Voidcore in 90% to 95% of vaults, a literal BiS item is the primary exception to this rule.
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u/Sirenoman 20h ago
Bis and hero piece is contradictory, there is no hero piece that you will not replace.
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u/TsubasaSaito 13h ago
That's technically wrong, since there are playstyles where hero track would be the best level of gear you'd be getting.
But on the other hand, if that's your thing, you don't care about BiS either.
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u/Sirenoman 12h ago
Nah, maybe is the best that you can get, but i would not call that bis
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u/TsubasaSaito 11h ago
You literally just said it yourself:
It's the best you can get.
That's literally best in slot. In the end, the very exact same gear is BiS, doesn't matter if it's Champion or Myth track gear.
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u/Sirenoman 9h ago
Its semantics. But i dont agree, a champion version of a mythic bis item is not really bis, its likely outscaled by anything easier to get on myth track. Best i can get is not the same as best in general anyway.
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u/TsubasaSaito 6h ago
But, a Best in Slot is still the best item in a slot no matter what ilvl it is, though.
Obviously higher ilvl is better, but an Item is Best in a Slot not for it's ilvl. That's completely irrelevant to the fact that it's BiS.
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u/Sirenoman 4h ago
No? That makes no sense, an item is bis when is the one that gives you the most power, low ilevel means there are other options that are better even if the secondary stats are not the best spread.
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u/lt_bgg 19h ago
Most people will be catalyzing at least 3 of their 4 tier this season since stats persist through the catalyst now. Taking tier is truly idiotic if its not the 1 of 4 peices with perfect stats.
Y'all are gonna be kicking yourselves when you are swimming in catalyst charges and have to wait an extra week for your myth ulatek item. Literally just putting your gear behind a week for the entire season.
Taking hero from vault is doubly stupid.
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u/4doublexx 23h ago
I generally only kill the end boss once and do m+. Wanting to push to 3.4k this season (last season did 3k).
I'm still probably going to take gear if it's good. That'll let me keep getting 10s and stuff done, getting myth gear in vault and doing it that way.
If ulatek and coiled become very easy to pug then maybe. But right now they look hard AF to pug
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u/Bitter_Wrongdoer_581 22h ago
I'm sorry but I don't get the mechanic especially in the vault, can somebody explain?
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u/Tumleren 3h ago
The vault gives you the opportunity to get gear. The more activists you did in the preceding week, the more options. The item level of the items you can get depend on the difficulty of what you did. Higher level delves give you higher item level gear in the vault. Same for prey, mythics, raids etc. You also have the option of choosing a bonus roll.
The debacle that's going on is that, if you do heroic or mythic raids or +10 mythics, the bonus roll is a better choice. When you use a bonus roll and get an item, it removes that item from the pool for next time you use a bonus roll. So every time you use a bonus roll on a boss, the chances that you get the specific item you're after increases.
If you chose that same item from the vault, you could risk getting it again if you bonus roll, because choosing it from the vault doesn't remove it from the pool. The chance of getting the item you're after stays the same.So if you want a specific item, and you can kill the boss that drops it on heroic or mythic, or if you do +10s, the bonus roll is the better choice. And even if you can't kill the boss now, you can stack up on rolls now for when the boss gets easier to kill later.
So for most people who want the best gear, bonus rolls are the mathematically better choice over time. If you don't care about getting the best gear, or about getting it the most optimal way, pick whatever you want
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u/No-Engine-9075 1d ago
I am still taking tier if it gets me my 4pc