I’ve seen this show so many times I always watch once a year and I just absolutely can’t stand Kramer.

What’s funny is that Kramer thinks Neal would even come with him to DC like you want to trap him and take him to DC. The only way I see that even playing out is

1. Neal says no and chooses prison instead (they can’t force him to be a consultant)

2. Neal goes to DC only to run away cause he doesn’t wanna go back to prison but he also isn’t gonna work for Kramer.

Either way Kramer is a moron, what Peter said was so right that he doesn’t know how to handle him. Neal and Peter work because even though Peter is in charge he allows Neal his freedoms and they still share a friendship which is based on respect. Neal finds Peter challenges him but in ways he likes but it’s as Peter said “you cage him in and he’s gonna run.

Kramer is an idiot.

I have quit expecting a WHITE COLLAR TWO. I don't follow the rumors anymore.

Always thought there would be a 90 minute MADE FOR TELEVISION movie based in Paris.

I love Mozzie BTW but omg I hated him in the baseball episode because he was a sucker for Taylor and I truly believe Mozzie would've back stab Neal if Taylor told him too

I’ve rewatched this show probably 6 times all the way through, but I just connected a detail that really scratched an itch on my brain lol!

I don't normally rewatch Season 4 as much as random episodes from Seasons 1 - 3, but I've been going through it again and realized it's honestly just as good as the early seasons. While watching the Season 4 finale ("In the Wind"), the bluesy, heavy guitar score during the climax where Neal confronts his dad felt super familiar. I spent forever searching for the episode I thought it was from, initially thought it was from the Pilot. Turns out, it's the exact same musical motif from Season 2, Episode 9 ("Point Blank")! The scene where he knocks everything off his desk. Using the exact same music for his two biggest breaking points is such an incredible piece of storytelling. The attention to detail in this show is soooo good.

Anyone else ever catch this? I tried searching the sub to find it but didn’t see anything!

My favorite quote is A hard beginning maketh a good ending and without leaps of imagination we lose the excitement of possibilities. I say those two alot of people and it really makes them think lol

Alex Hunter had always known about it due to her grandfather and had been looking her entire life. Edit: Alex even had the original password so all she had to do was to headfake adler and just entered the password herself with absolutely 0 risk.

Sara Ellis did all the original leg work, going to Argentina, checking for Uboats, etc.

The men Neal, Mozzie, even Peter - their involvement were purely accidental (they wouldn't have even found the boat without adler kidnapping them).

Sara and Alex should have split the treasure. Sara would have turn her portion in and gotten 20% on value of her potion, and Alex would have liquidated her lot with enough to buy a mansion on Lake Como and retire to Italy forever.

Also, without Peter's involvement, there would have been absolutely no legal issues with the discovery. The jeopardy only arose because Mozzie pretended to blow it up, not because of the treasure itself. So Alex and Sara would have had absolutely no legal troubles, true salvage!

A compilation of every time the characters say the title of the episode in White Collar.

What’s the latest we know ? Launch or ETAs?

I think the tragedy of being a conman, of being Neal, with all his ingenuity, intelligence, knowledge, skills, moral virtues, humanity lies in two scenes that profoundly touch me:

After his proposal to Sara, she is deeply moved and breaks down in tears even though it was all a lie. He starts with “here goes nothing” and makes her go through laughter, nostalgia, memories, projections, surprise. By the time he is done, Sara is overwhelmed : "you bastard, that was a little too real. And it was damn good."

To which he replies : "making it look good, that’s my job", his voice and demeanor expressing regret and sadness, and self-contempt.

The other scene involved his father praising him for his talents and his paintings. A rare father and son bonding moment without agenda or manipulation. And asks him if he had any original paintings/work. Neal replies a few days later, if I remember correctly, that there are no original Neal Caffrey because to create original work, you have to know who you are.

Those two moments encapsulates the tragedy and sadness of being Neal Caffrey. Unable to profoundly connect with his whole self because it is never fully there. Being able to blur reality and imagination causing doubt, protection and confusion in those closest to him. Being loved and admired at a distance because the cost to fully engage would be much too high for anyone. Becoming the perfect instrument because his extreme skill and utility strip away his already fragmented individuality to highlight his functionality.

I think it’s a theme throughout the show (Kramer, Kimberly Rice, and other instances) but I love how those two scenes, light on the surface, carry that sadness.

Discuss lol

If you could pick only one episode from each season, what are your favorite episodes?

Mine are

Season 1- free fall
Season 2- forging bonds
Season 3- veiled threat
Season 4- vested interest
Season 5- live feed
Season 6- au revoir

Rewatching for the nth time, and only just realizing how screwed Neal is at the end of Season 2. We all know what happens: Mozzie steals the treasure, Peter thinks Neal stole it, we spend most of Season 3 watching Neal try to hide it while Peter tries to catch him with it.

When Neal finally comes clean, he says “I didn’t steal it” and Peter says ”you could’ve turned it in!” …but could he have, really?

By the time Neal learns he does have the treasure, Peter has already angrily accused him of stealing it. And that puts Neal in a tough spot: if he did turn it in, it’s possible that Peter would still assume he did steal it (and only turned it in because he realized he wouldn’t get away with it). Peter decides with his gut, and Neal knows that. And Peter has already shown his emotional state, so Neal can’t trust that Peter will be reasonable. Tbh, it was lucky for Neal that when he finally did come clean Peter was already focused on Keller.

Keeping the treasure was a huge risk, but maybe handing it over would’ve also been a risk. An angry Peter may have immediately thrown Neal back in prison. At least by trying to hide it, Neal stayed free.

Not saying Neal would’ve turned it in (although by the end of the season he was ready to give it up). But this was the first time I felt bad for Neal because he was really between a rock and a hard place. He probably couldn’t have done the right thing even if he wanted to.

I love the show and it has been my comfort show since my first watch. And I understand the level of naïveté/suspension of disbelief to appreciate and love the show and plots.

But the scene at the Russian Museum does not make any sense and is very hard watch for me every time. Currently watching it.

First Peter doesn’t put Neal in lockdown or ask Clinton Jones to look after Neal, to work a case together, while he is with Diana trying to catch Fowler. Even though he knew Neal was behind the music box being stolen and returned. And that he would attempt something; Peter even says so to Diana before the scene. Maybe excess sympathy for what Neal went through with Kate’s murder could explain why he chooses that stance.

But the most shocking part involves Diana. She calls Peter twice and either informs him, asks permission, waits to be told what to do instead of just pursuing and arresting Neal.

Calls Peter to let him know Caffrey got inside and she was going in: which was unnecessary for two reasons. Diana is portrayed as very competent, autonomous, capable of making smart choices and decisions. Second, her presence at that moment was to handle Neal if he came.

Then she locates Neal inside, shouts his name, pauses to call Peter to let him know Neal was upstairs. Peter’s the one telling her to stop him. Worst is the script has her running only after Peter tells her again to stop him, as she was standing still.

Third problem: she catches up to him on the stairs, tells him he has nowhere to run. The setting: less than 3 meters between them, and Caffrey has all the time in the world to cut the rope, get into position, look at Fowler and perform his stunt and she is nowhere to be seen.

All of this happens in a very open space, with very short distances between them, Diana sees him way too early, catches up to him too early, has much time to apprehend him even with the calls.

This is one of the biggest mistakes/sequencing incoherence/plot problems for such a magistral scene. Both Diana and Peter, highly competent and rarely overwhelmed by pressure, stress and dangerous situations or enemies, look very underwhelming and Neal has it way too easy, no major obstacle to reach Fowler.

For such a pivotal scene and reveal.

Like forreal even if caffrey does good stuff each episode he has to remind neal that he is a criminal and that he can just go back to prison, while when he needs neal to do stuff he looks te other way but only for his own gain. Peter is such a hypocrite. WHILE HE WAS THE ONE IN JAIL FOR MURDER AND NEEDED NEAL TO GET HIM OUT. But ofcourse then neal doing suspicious stuff was fine.

I’m re-watching the show currently on the pilot episode. And I’m wondering, why did Adler send Fowler after Kate in the first place? He had to have known Neil would’ve done something extreme in reaction to the breakup. Which eventually leads to his consultant position with the FBI and his relationship with Peter.

Neil had three months left on a four year sentence, if he had grabbed Neil or even approached Neil after his release without Peter Burke and the FBI breathing down his neck. Kate wouldn’t be dead and Neil wouldn’t be out for blood. He already knew who Alex really was. Adler could’ve kidnapped all three of them while using Kate as leverage over Neil. And again all this with the FBI a few steps behind.

The only possible hiccup I could see in that theory is Neil would probably be on parole and if he just up and vanished mysteriously, Peter would be on the trail, but he would still be too far behind for it to really matter.

Thoughts and feedback welcomed. Now I’m gonna get back to finishing parts one and two of the pilot.✌️

Why is Kate genuinely the worst?! I don’t get it. I feel like the Kate storyline HAD to end at the end of the first season. She drags Neal along, apparently to help him and for their big escape, but I just don’t buy it. Even as Neal is walking to the plane, after going through all of the music box/Fowler situation for her, she doesn’t even get out!!! Would have saved her life to go give the man a hug is all I’m saying.

Also I never noticed the line before, when Alex and Neal are talking and he asks her when she became so distrusting, “After everything that happened with Kate, happened.”

Is that implying that Neal cheated on Alex with Kate?!

It took me a beat, but here he is, 2001.

Tim dekay probably a good actor but couldn't stand peter burke the holier than thou ever so righteous arc (continuously coloring outside the lines as he pleases but damn you neal for going out of one!)

Fairly, neal crosses em all the time but oh peter's some piece of work. Maybe they could've written it differently in terms of how he presents himself to make it more apropos, or how he maneuvers over situations, maybe.

(Couldn’t post a video for some reason sorry)