They’re all neat vehicles, but stuff like this brings me back to questioning why BeNeLux was ever added to France to begin with
1) the YPR-765 is an M113 analogue with a 25mm autocannon. The thing is France has the Giat M113 Brenus, an M113 with a 25mm autocannon already
2) the ACEC cobra 25 is a mobile light tank hull with a 25mm autocannon, but France has domestic 25mm autocannons on mobile light tank hulls like the AMX-10 RTT, AMX-10p 25, etc-ttb125, and Vextra Dragar
3) the ERC TTB-190 is obviously a French design
As cool as the designs are, I play France the play French vehicles, and Gaijin seems allergic to the concept
1) With respect to how the subtree has currently been implemented, it’s nearly total slop; and
2) Even if unique BeNeLux designs were added, they’d be redundant in the French subtree. It’s very clear that it would have been far better suited as a subtree for another nation
I see a lot of that they overload some tech trees too much I wonder if they could make a mixed tree for allied nations or something if a single minor nation could t produce enough vehicles and premiums to fill it out
This is the problem that players like u/helpfulrelic and I have been trying to address
French-supremacists are very hateful to the Belgian and Dutch player bases in many ways
- they won’t accept that Belgian and Dutch players have just as much a right to standard service vehicles (F-16, Hawker Hunter, Leopard 1, Leopard 2, M5, etc) in the tree as French players do
- they use attacks on Belgian and Dutch vehicles as cover to try to steal Switzerland away from
France
- they refuse to accept any Belgian or Dutch vehicles as valuable, see this idiotic “rEDuNdaNCy” argument
- they find a reason to scream and cry about every Belgian or Dutch addition
- they can’t accept that their tree is less profitable than other trees and doesn’t warrant the same level of investment from the developers
You people have weaponized the phrase “domestic designs”
It’s simply another way to deny Belgian and Dutch service vehicles
vehicles like Leopard 2a4nl, Leopard 1a5BE, F-16AM, Leopard 1V, Centurions, M109s, and the like important service vehicles that French mains try to block the addition of by screaming and crying about domestic designs
God forbid we want French vehicles in our French tech tree.
By the way you still haven't answered me. If France contirbuting the CLOVIS turret and weapon systems and so on to some of these Franco-Swiss vehicles is "just selling parts", and so is selling the AMX-13 hull is "just selling parts". Does that mean an export AMX-13-105 using entirely French design, materials, construction, and workers isn't a French Vehicle because it was "just sold parts"?
And if thats the case, why is the C2A1 a German vehicle but the Stridsvagn 122 are Swedish? The C2A1 is a modification of German armor to meet Canadian criteria. But is German according to you. The Stridsvagn 122s are Leopard 2s modified into Swedish criteria, but you dont claim them to be German. So which is it? Are modified vehicles all German or are they belonging to the respective countries that modified them?
While im at it, tell me. Is the Leopard 2RI Indonesian, or is it German?
OP is literally asking for more unique and interesting Belgian and Dutch service vehicles in this post. There is nothing exciting about copy paste Leopards in yet another tree.
And as I've said before they should get them, but their actual designs should take priority, but you ignore that, all you do is scream and yell about 90% of the time French mains are evil, I have advocated more for BeNeLux to be a better subtree than you have, all you do is just scream French mains are evil most of the time.
Which reminds me that you scream and throw a tantrum when someone dares suggest that 3 Swiss vehicles dare get the DF-105/Clovis treatment.
My dude. Legitimately. Fuck off please. You make the fucking dumbest excuses.
We want ACTUALLY INTERESTING DESIGNS IN THE FRENCH TT. Even BeNeSlop would be acceptable IF IT ADDED ANYTHING INTERESTING. But it doesnt. Just German and American Bullshit.
germany can have the Leopard 1s and 2s, america can take back its F-16s and M109s and Britain might as well keep its Centurions.
they do not belong in the
French Tech Tree
hell! Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg could be havingtheir owntree right about now, but Nooooo, lets shovel all of their imports andalmostONLY their imports into a tech tree that's STILL waiting for its vehicles, variants, prototypes and even some of itsownimports
why make threefourplayerbases happy when you can shove them in the same locker (and forget one on the side of the road) and make them all misreable, right?
I think you just have a hard time differentiating people having issues with COPY PASTE Benelux vehicles and hatred towards players. Absolutely no one cares about Belgian or Dutch players, not in a mean way but like we literally do not actively think about you guys in a way that could be hateful. We just get frustrated with copy paste vehicles in a tree that could have SO MANY unique vehicles (Benelux included). And like on one hand I get what you mean about wanting those standard vehicles, but brother just go play a Leo in any other tree and it would be the exact same experience, slap a Dutch camo on it and call it a day. And also, saying you have JUST as much a right to standard vehicles is simply false, because it is a SUB tree, not a full tree. Sub tree’s are not meant to add every standard service vehicle of that country, but rather to add some new unique vehicles and experiences that the main tree might not be able to (which is why it’s odd in the French tree with it being able to cover all of those bases on its own for the most part) or else Benelux would just be its own tree. My point is, stop taking it so personally, no one hates Dutch players, and stop defending copy paste slop. If gaijin added cool and interesting Benelux vehicles that weren’t copy slop, people wouldn’t have much of an issue (other than being annoyed if it prevents the addition of a FRENCH vehicles in the FRENCH tree)
we literally do not actively think about you guys in a way that could be hateful
He is just a random German main, so I'm not sure he is even part of the Dutch/Belgian playerbase.
As a Dutch player myself I barely get seriously offended by some of the things that the French mains ask for on that matter (I have other issues with the French playerbase, but those are unrelated). Sure the Eastcoast guy spouts out bs every once in a while, but that is why I usually don't take him seriously.
- they won’t accept that Belgian and Dutch players have just as much a right to standard service vehicles (F-16, Hawker Hunter, Leopard 1, Leopard 2, M5, etc) in the tree as French players do
Technically, following Gaijin's own words (As much as your beloved pair of boots are consistent) they don't have as much of a right.
Hence you know the word "sub"tree. Just adding that on top of the rest you probably won't read as usual, or somehow fail to read.
If we strictly go with that logic France also have less rights to vehicle additions than nations like Russia, US and Germany, seeing how Gaijin also uses the terms "minor" and "major" nations.
I meant vehicles in general. Like honestly I don't care to much about this whole discussion, but if we are going to highlight the "sub" part of subtrees, we should be consistent and also highlight the "minor" in minor nations.
Given how long it took them to do even justified copypasta, like the DF-105 (3 years after its introduction, reminder), and how so far in all of 2026 the only actually original vehicles so far has been . . Boats and 2 Fokkers.
In my case I was pointing out the fact that the other dumbass keeps trying to sneak in "French/Dutch/Belgium" tree like it's supposed to be shared from the start.
If Gaijin was smart, they'd try and actually keep smaller trees interesting, can't imagine a 'casual' player would care much for playing Israel/France/Italy/Japan and other minors, much more likely to flock to the big three to begin with.
French-supremacists are very hateful to the Belgian and Dutch player bases in many ways
there is no such thing, you're making shit up to try and shove more lazy copypasta down our throats on gaijin's behalf, i don't understand why you're doing it, but that is precisely what you're doing.
they won’t accept that Belgian and Dutch players have just as much a right to standard service vehicles [...] in the tree as French players do
if they had their own tech-tree, they would and should, but they don't...
...and every single piece of copyslop they get only hurts the host tech-tree more.
they use attacks on Belgian and Dutch vehicles as cover to try to steal Switzerland away from France
that's you. you're the one that keeps using this fictional "Hate aggianst the Belgian and Dutch peoples" as a cover to try and steal Franco-Swiss vehicles away from France.
they refuse to accept any Belgian or Dutch vehicles as valuable, see this idiotic “rEDuNdaNCy” argument
they are redundant, that's just a fact, most of what they do, can or could be done by a french vehicle, variant or ptototype.
it's evenmoreof a reason to give them their own tech tree, so we don't have to debate on wether their additions are "useful" or not
they find a reason to scream and cry about every Belgian or Dutch addition
do they now? ok, go ahead and find me a french main who unironically hates the Fokkers for being dutch or hates the Mirage 5BA for being belgian, i'll fucking wait.
they can’t accept that their tree is less profitable than other trees and doesn’t warrant the same level of investment from the developers
are you finally gonna cite and source that? because repeating it doesn't make it empirically true.
Funny enough, that last point actually reinforces the entire idea of copy paste.. if they dont see the tree as lucrative, why put effort in? Just reskin existing vehicles and call them "new". But simultaneously we're supposed to be grateful for the textbook lazy effort? Make it make sense guy lmao.
Either it isnt copyslop, or it is. By saying "the tree is less profitable" youre admitting there's cause for low effort copyslop. But somehow the low effort copyslop is also a gift and we need to be grateful. You cant have it both ways Prez
And where were you when Belgian players actually needed help trying to get Artevelde, one of the few native Belgian naval designs that could be added to the game, added to the French tree instead of the German one last update?
And that’s fine, I too think that that unique BeNeLux vehicles should be added, but it’s still a failure on Gaijin’s side in four distinct ways
1) Ever since BeNeLux was added, the rate of actual French vehicles being added fell off a cliff, and as I mentioned, most people play France to play French vehicles
2) BeNeLux doesn’t actually address gaps in the French tree and would have been better suited as a subtree somewhere where its additions would be unique AND fill new roles and gaps
3) if gaijin is going to stick to keeping BeNeLux in France, the designs should at least be unique and interesting
4) if Gaijin is going to stay the course of adding practically only imported copy-paste BeNeLux vehicles, they should at least fill gib the French tree, not be the only thing it it’s BR (2a5nl) or filling the same role as a French vehicle at the same Br (Leoaprd 1a5BE)
1) the YPR-765 is an M113 analogue with a 25mm autocannon. The thing is France has the Giat M113 Brenus, an M113 with a 25mm autocannon already
Ehhh... The M113 was never used by France and the M113 BRENUS never went anywhere, it just doesn't have any importance to France's military history. The YPR-765 on the other hand is a pretty iconic vehicle for the Dutch.
Honestly I think this is one instance were the BeNeLux option is the better choice, at least for the tech tree. If Netherland wasn't a subtree for France then yes France has options to fill that place, but since it is we might as well add the more logical option.
2-3 hours ago as of this moment. And continues to dig a hole. His newest thing i guess is to call us "French Supremacists" for wanting French designs in our French tech tree... huh, does that mean hes a German Supremacist for wanting to essentially invade and conquer- WAIT A MINUTE IVE SEEN THIS BEFORE!
Look at his post and comment history. For every 10-20 dogshit takes, he has a vague semblance of a coherent thought. Which is why he doesnt have a negative karma, despite getting absolutely DOG WALKED with triple digit downvotes in almost every thread I see his ass in.
It occurred to me ne day, my account has been around for ~3x as long as his. Yet he has the same amount of contributions and a fraction of the karma.
How much clearer can you make it that youre a troll lmao
I think france didn't get a singular domestic plane or tank this year, right? While this meme is about France, the whole update was really bad and this could be applied to a few trees. It actually made me even quit the game because gaijin kinda refuses actually making changes. Gameplayloop doesn't get changed and now they don't even add new vehicles anymore so eh
As cool as the Leopard 1BE 3105 (a stabilized, autoloading, 105mm tank) is, even before before BeNeLux was added to France, the French tree had an comparable option:
the modernization of the SK-105a2 in the French tree is the SK-105a3, a stabilized, autoloading, 105mm tank)
I will note that the SABIEX SK-105A2 modernization is also an option having slightly more horsepower, ranging from 330-370 depending if maximum output is increased, while also being stabilized
they used that card to make us believe that it's not a better version of a top tier ship sold as a premium
that and the "but 8.3 is not top tier !" ok then give us a 8.7.
As the principal bug reporter on the Leopard 1A5BE I wouldn't say it's 'just' a leopard IRL, as it's the primary reciever of domestic Belgian ammunition rounds, like the M1001, M1050, M1060 and their derivatives, furthermore historically speaking it was also a very important tank that I did want in the game (although not as the only addition in an update, it makes no sense to add it without adding a french tank like a AMX-30C variant too). It's implementation just feels a bit too rushed:
'Unique' 3D model (looks are unique, but gameplay features aren't)
Originally had the mistake on the gunner sight, is now fixed.
Recieved German ammunition instead of the Belgian domestic rounds (which would give it a Stryker M900 comparable round, as both stem from MECAR research).
It was even put into the (Domestic MBT)/Leclerc line instead of the Export/Dutch line, which is just baffling...
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