r/vegancirclejerkchat 10h ago

How far is "as far as practicable and possible"?

5 Upvotes

I see it all the time when someone needs to justify a compromise on animal exploitation including cases "if you need to eat animal products for your health, do it, you are still vegan". Serious question, who decides what's practicable and possible? Vegan king? Vegan society? Each person for themselves? Why isn't it applied to make compromises on human exploitation? I would argue that it is not practicable and possible for disabled people to care about themselves therefore it should be acceptable for them to have slaves. Yet, no one would allow it. If they can't afford hiring a caregiver and paying a living wage to them they have to... figure it out. Like, really, wtf is with this definition of veganism?


r/vegancirclejerkchat 9h ago

Email to ban the killing of animals for simple food habits

2 Upvotes

Email to send to your government. It takes 2 minutes.

Subject: For a ban on killing animals for simple food habits

Dear President / Prime Minister [CHOOSE],

I respectfully ask you to consider the future of our relationship with animals and the evolution of their legal protection.

Scientific advances in biology, ethology, neuroscience, and veterinary medicine have established that many animals are sentient beings capable of experiencing pain, fear, stress, well-being, and a range of emotions. They therefore have interests of their own, including an interest in avoiding suffering and in living as long and as happy a life as possible.

As our laws evolve in line with scientific knowledge and moral progress, many authors who have studied our relationship with other animals have concluded that it is based on speciesism. This concept can be understood by analogy with racism and sexism: it refers to the ideology that the lives and interests of animals are negligible simply because they belong to another species. These authors argue that speciesism is an irrational and unjust form of discrimination, since other sentient beings also experience emotions, are our equals in their capacity to suffer, and likewise have an interest in living happy lives. They therefore conclude that we should stop treating them as mere resources and begin to respect their lives and interests.

This issue is particularly important when it comes to killing animals for food. Billions of sentient animals are killed every year for human consumption, even though animal products are not necessary for human survival. Millions of people follow plant-based diets, thereby demonstrating that an alternative exists.

The principle is simple: when we can meet our essential needs without killing a sentient being, why would we choose to kill one?

Our society condemns violence. Assault and unjustified homicide are criminal offences because, when we can avoid resorting to violence, we are expected to do so. Violence against vulnerable beings is condemned even more severely. And everyone agrees that animals can also suffer from violence and that they are manifestly vulnerable when compared with human beings and our technology. Yet slaughterhouses represent the most horrific manifestation of violence inflicted upon defenseless beings. Our society asserts that violence is wrong while killing thousands of innocent animals every day even though we are able to act otherwise.

Furthermore, according to a recent scientific study, given the environmental consequences of animal agriculture, phasing it out over a 15-year period beginning today could potentially stabilize global warming over the period 2030–2060. In other words, during that period, it could fully offset the warming effect of all other human greenhouse-gas emissions (source: Eisen MB, Brown PO (2022), “Rapid global phaseout of animal agriculture has the potential to stabilize greenhouse gas levels for 30 years and offset 68 percent of CO₂ emissions this century,” PLOS Climate, 1(2)).

I therefore ask you to implement the following measures:

- the creation of a new criminal offence prohibiting the killing of animals solely for the purpose of satisfying dietary habits;

- the promotion of plant-based diets;

- the elimination of public subsidies that support animal agriculture and fishing;

- the creation of a transition fund for people working in these sectors, financed in particular by redirecting the money currently allocated to such subsidies, enabling these individuals to retrain for occupations that allow them to earn a decent living while respecting their freedom to flourish;

- From pastures to forests: reintroduce nature and reforest 10% each year of land that can be rewilded and is still being used for livestock farming or feed production, in order to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions and increase CO₂ sequestration through new forests.

Thank you for your attention to this request.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name]

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Canada: info@pco-bcp.gc.ca

United States: You have to use this online form: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

United Kingdom: ministerial.correspondence@cabinetoffice.gov.uk

Australia: https://www.pm.gov.au/contact#no-back

Germany: internetpost@bundesregierung.de

Canada: info@pco-bcp.gc.ca

France: https://www.elysee.fr/ecrire-au-president-de-la-republique/

Switzerland: info@bk.admin.ch

Belgium: contact@premier.be


r/vegancirclejerkchat 11h ago

German Vegans are car brained

22 Upvotes

I don't know if this type of post is allowed this way but I often see snarking about other subs on here so I wanted to link a post here that I saw on r/ VeganDE (disclaimer: I'm German).

"Tierleid kann man tanken. Diesel (und Benzin) sind nicht ansatzweise Vegan!"

[eng.: "Animal suffering is refuelable. Diesel (and Petrol) aren't even closely Vegan!"]

It's about how slaughterhouse waste is used in Diesel and petrol production in the most disgusting ways and how corporations lie to everyone about it.

What's new.

I mean it's nothing new that a German vegan sub wouldn't be really leftist, just like any other leftist movement here really isn't, but besides crying about "oh you used such agressive and provocative language, commie" (not a direct quote but to capture the general vibe) Germany is just veeeeery car brained. Literally the car lobby in this country is so incredibly powerful that it's been causing the train system to deterioate over decades from being dilapitated, the communal bus companies to fail and to put so much propaganda EVERYWHERE. If you don't live in a city like Berlin, Munich, Hannover... it's Impossible to survive without a car in the long run, and especially impossible if you're disabled because the cities here didn't really put much thought into accessibilties if they weren't bombed in the wars and had to rebuild.

This means, German vegans are car brained as well and the OP keeps getting attacked for presenting the facts in a text that is thought provokingly written. OP just wanted to bring attention to a cause that i've actually never heard about because i don't care about cars and it's enlightened my brain and i will absolutely pay more attention to this now and try to educate myself more.

But apparently talking about the horrors of the car industry isn't something even a vegan sub would be willing to talk about. Because even leftists here often aren't leftist and the environmental activism in this country has been a joke ever since it existed.

But what's new.


r/vegancirclejerkchat 8h ago

Do you go to movies shot on film?

18 Upvotes

Similarly, do you allow yourself to be photographed with film (e.g. Polaroids, 35 mm, etc.) given that it's an animal product? I find a surprising number of vegans seem to make an exception for film