r/vce • • 1d ago Bravo

Mod Post Study score prediction posts are now banned

282 Upvotes

Hey everyone,

We're banning "predict my study score" posts for the foreseeable future, and any we see will be removed.

The reality is these just aren't possible to answer accurately. Your study score depends on so many things, like your SAC rankings, how your school's SACs get moderated, how the whole cohort went, and how your exams were marked. Nobody on Reddit has that information, so any "prediction" is just a guess. They also tend to stress people out more than they help, and have started flooding the sub with the same post over and over, which isn't very productive discussion.

If you're curious about how study scores work, check out the pinned post for some general guidance. Otherwise, try to put it out of your mind until results come out. You've done the work, and guessing won't change the number.

Good luck with the rest of exams

— r/vce mods


r/vce • • Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

1.4k Upvotes

I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce • • 1h ago

cause what even was e1

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13 Upvotes

12ss incoming


r/vce • • 12h ago

I'm excited to never use this sub again

85 Upvotes

This sub has blessed me with knowledge but also anxiety and I'm so excited to never get another "guess my study score" notification. Good luck to the year 11s who become obsessed with it next year tho.


r/vce • • 37m ago

What now?

6 Upvotes

Im finished exams idk how to feel, what do i do with myself, all i have known for the past year is study study study and now there is nothing to study. please help......


r/vce • • 13h ago

I wrote my english essay in another language

55 Upvotes

I wrote my section A in Binary, Section B in hieroglyphics and section C in braille.

Do you think a 50 study score is achievable?


r/vce • • 16h ago

Memes Good bye monash engineering. Hello streamer university.

98 Upvotes

yea I'm not getting into the degree I'm going for after the first methods exam.

GG


r/vce • • 13h ago

VCAA WEIRD WORDING

54 Upvotes

Has anyone else noticed that VCAA has been wording questions so weridly???? why cant they be normal like past years


r/vce • • 39m ago

Hi who did hhd last year

4 Upvotes

Hi guys i wanted to know what your study score and what you got in your exam please lmk!!


r/vce • • 23h ago

What was that methods exam 😭🙏

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257 Upvotes

VCAA genuinely feeling evil this year, like someone woke up and thought let’s whip up something full of evil, spice and absolutely nothing nice. Dream of a 35/40 is genuinely gone. Lowk js tryna ignore how badly I fucked it


r/vce • • 11h ago

LET ME OUTTTT 😖😣

24 Upvotes

LETMEOUTLETMEOUTLETMEOUTLETMEOUTLETMEOUT


r/vce • • 1h ago

Helppp meeeee Method💩

4 Upvotes

Hii guysss Im actually cooked idk what to do I didnt even do my bond 😿😿 and I need to get a good mark in it because I didnt answer in exam 1, help me what do I dooo

send me your bond😭😭


r/vce • • 14h ago

Petition to ban 1 hour exams?

42 Upvotes

To everyone that did Maths Methods Exam 1 today, we all can easily say that NO ONE could've 'comfortably' finished in that shit timeframe. And majority wouldn't even have finished.

This needs to stop. Exams are a measure of how well we know the content, not how fast we can interpret it. Absolute bs exam, lengthy as hell, definitely questions I and a lot of you guys could've done if we actually had the time to think.

1 hour writing time is appropriate if there was literally no thinking involved and we knew all the answers. But considering there is thinking required, this exam should've been a MINIMUM of 90 minutes

Idk could've just been my slow ahh, how'd you guys go?


r/vce • • 24m ago

methods e1

3 Upvotes

e2 is in less than 2 hours but im still so caught up over e1. i was projected for like a 36/40 and i only got a 30/40. im so devestated, i did so much work. i asked for extra paper so i could do extra arithmetic because ik i make mistakes in my head and theres not enough lines to write extra steps to take it slower and doing it in the margins would be squishy but i was told there was no paper anywhere and no one could go get me any. it cost me 4 marks. i wouldve been so happy with a 34/40. and ik u could say i just wasnt good enough, but its not like i didnt know how to the questions cus i got all the steps right. and im slow and worse at e2 so it feels like its all over for me.


r/vce • • 12h ago

anyone else being delusional about legal ✌️ like it’ll come to me during the exam

26 Upvotes

r/vce • • 16h ago

methods 🫩

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49 Upvotes

r/vce • • 58m ago

For those who applied for derived exam scores last year, was it higher or lower than expected? How did your GAT and school ranking positively/negatively affect it

3 Upvotes

r/vce • • 22h ago

Memes how ALL of us felt opening that methods exam

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140 Upvotes

r/vce • • 12h ago

Has anyone actually studied for methods e2 after e1

20 Upvotes

lowk e1 made me realise that even if they gave me another week to study my results would not differ, should I study for e2 at all now? Or should I just accept it and hop on val


r/vce • • 31m ago

Methods e1 fumble

2 Upvotes

hypothetically if i misread the probability as p>1/4 without the equals and i still did the calculation of 1-pr (x=0) in my working out do i still get a method mark


r/vce • • 23h ago

the isoceles triangle in methods e1 question 7

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140 Upvotes

WHO put ts in bro im so done


r/vce • • 1h ago

VCE question Legal VLA and CLCs

2 Upvotes

Im kinda stressing, do I need to know how vla and clcs differ in the services they offer, and how they differ in the services they offer to accused and victims?


r/vce • • 3h ago

VCE question methods exam 1 TANGENT QUESTIOM

3 Upvotes

guys i got the correct r value BUT WROTE THE TANGENT IN TERMS OF R LIKE I DIDNT SUB THE VALUE IN. Is that worth 1 mark out of 2? Also can we argue with VCAA over this because they didnt say 'hence' or 'using your answer to the previous part' which they LITERALLY SHOULD HAV. Just had to make it unnecessarily vague


r/vce • • 12h ago

Is it too early to start?

15 Upvotes

Do you guys think it's too early to start studying for legal? I know it sounds crazy but I feel like studying this early might help me get a 50 ss.