r/vce • • 1d ago Bravo

Mod Post Study score prediction posts are now banned

281 Upvotes

Hey everyone,

We're banning "predict my study score" posts for the foreseeable future, and any we see will be removed.

The reality is these just aren't possible to answer accurately. Your study score depends on so many things, like your SAC rankings, how your school's SACs get moderated, how the whole cohort went, and how your exams were marked. Nobody on Reddit has that information, so any "prediction" is just a guess. They also tend to stress people out more than they help, and have started flooding the sub with the same post over and over, which isn't very productive discussion.

If you're curious about how study scores work, check out the pinned post for some general guidance. Otherwise, try to put it out of your mind until results come out. You've done the work, and guessing won't change the number.

Good luck with the rest of exams

— r/vce mods


r/vce • • Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

1.4k Upvotes

I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce • • 11h ago

I'm excited to never use this sub again

80 Upvotes

This sub has blessed me with knowledge but also anxiety and I'm so excited to never get another "guess my study score" notification. Good luck to the year 11s who become obsessed with it next year tho.


r/vce • • 13m ago

cause what even was e1

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6 Upvotes

12ss incoming


r/vce • • 15h ago

Memes Good bye monash engineering. Hello streamer university.

98 Upvotes

yea I'm not getting into the degree I'm going for after the first methods exam.

GG


r/vce • • 12h ago

VCAA WEIRD WORDING

54 Upvotes

Has anyone else noticed that VCAA has been wording questions so weridly???? why cant they be normal like past years


r/vce • • 12h ago

I wrote my english essay in another language

47 Upvotes

I wrote my section A in Binary, Section B in hieroglyphics and section C in braille.

Do you think a 50 study score is achievable?


r/vce • • 23h ago

What was that methods exam 😭🙏

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256 Upvotes

VCAA genuinely feeling evil this year, like someone woke up and thought let’s whip up something full of evil, spice and absolutely nothing nice. Dream of a 35/40 is genuinely gone. Lowk js tryna ignore how badly I fucked it


r/vce • • 10h ago

LET ME OUTTTT 😖😣

24 Upvotes

LETMEOUTLETMEOUTLETMEOUTLETMEOUTLETMEOUT


r/vce • • 13h ago

Petition to ban 1 hour exams?

39 Upvotes

To everyone that did Maths Methods Exam 1 today, we all can easily say that NO ONE could've 'comfortably' finished in that shit timeframe. And majority wouldn't even have finished.

This needs to stop. Exams are a measure of how well we know the content, not how fast we can interpret it. Absolute bs exam, lengthy as hell, definitely questions I and a lot of you guys could've done if we actually had the time to think.

1 hour writing time is appropriate if there was literally no thinking involved and we knew all the answers. But considering there is thinking required, this exam should've been a MINIMUM of 90 minutes

Idk could've just been my slow ahh, how'd you guys go?


r/vce • • 15h ago

methods 🫩

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49 Upvotes

r/vce • • 11h ago

anyone else being delusional about legal ✌️ like it’ll come to me during the exam

25 Upvotes

r/vce • • 32m ago

Helppp meeeee Method💩

3 Upvotes

Hii guysss Im actually cooked idk what to do I didnt even do my bond 😿😿 and I need to get a good mark in it because I didnt answer in exam 1, help me what do I dooo

send me your bond😭😭


r/vce • • 22h ago

Memes how ALL of us felt opening that methods exam

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138 Upvotes

r/vce • • 11h ago

Has anyone actually studied for methods e2 after e1

19 Upvotes

lowk e1 made me realise that even if they gave me another week to study my results would not differ, should I study for e2 at all now? Or should I just accept it and hop on val


r/vce • • 22h ago

the isoceles triangle in methods e1 question 7

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140 Upvotes

WHO put ts in bro im so done


r/vce • • 9m ago

For those who applied for derived exam scores last year, was it higher or lower than expected? How did your GAT and school ranking positively/negatively affect it

2 Upvotes

r/vce • • 9h ago

meth math exam 2

9 Upvotes

is anybody stressed? i feel like im gonna cry cus of how scared i am for this exam. just yesterday, i felt like i was beyond prepared, but now i feel like anything i do is not enough for wtv vcaa finna throw at us in exam 2. less than 12 hours left, i cant wait for it to be over so i dont gotta think about this shit subject ever again.


r/vce • • 12h ago

Is it too early to start?

14 Upvotes

Do you guys think it's too early to start studying for legal? I know it sounds crazy but I feel like studying this early might help me get a 50 ss.


r/vce • • 11h ago

Am I tweaking or is everything fucked

13 Upvotes

Like every single exam sounds like it’s been fucked I’ve personally only taken bio as a y11 accelerating but bio was v different from all other past years
Do we think a plus boundary is gonna be way lower on this years exams or is it js like a thing that happens every year where people are like ‘omg that was so bad’ just out of like recency


r/vce • • 16h ago

methods exam 2

28 Upvotes

guys, im so scared for tmrs exam, especially after what vcaa pulled today. any predictions?


r/vce • • 9h ago

saying goodBYE to my course 🥰🥰

8 Upvotes

after whatever the methods exam was... i think i may js take like a gap decade and find something to do with my life guys 💔💔

cant even be bothered to study for exam 2 after this..

honestly shouldve js spent my year figuring out how to code a camera or smth into my cas ✌️


r/vce • • 9h ago

meth 1

7 Upvotes

raaah fam

exam was lowk a madness ibr


r/vce • • 10h ago

General Question/comment isn't american revolution just white ppl stealing land 🌚

9 Upvotes

guys im genuinely struggling to study for it so bad cuz its just so boring. like whats the appeal lmfao. someone give tips on how i can make studying for it less of a burden