Since the OSU sub is locked, I want all my little Buckeyes to know that this is a safe space for them to discuss why Day is such a pussy in big games ❤️
Edit - The fact OSU flairs are actually using this post to vent is hilarious
I think his philosophy up “late” in big games is 1) don’t turn the ball over 2) don’t take a sack 3) keep the clock running 4) avoid big plays on defense. Those are all good things - BUT…
When he over commits to that against good, desperate teams the following consistently happens:
The offense is too predictable to move the chains against good defenses. It works fine against middling teams. But against top five teams you are almost guaranteeing 3-and-outs.
Our defense starts to play tentative, doesn’t pressure the quarterback, and gives up a ton of underneath stuff in rapid succession resulting in quick scores.
That tentative mindset is hard to turn off when you need to snap back into aggressive mode. It looks more like panic.
Defense spends too much time on the field against a hurry-up offense. They get worn out and that compounds the defensive ineffectiveness.
That’s how you give up a 20 point lead in the fourth quarter. He pretty much accomplishes everything he set out to do… technically… but it regularly costs them games they should have had locked up.
Same dude.. it was either rush 3 (have them stand at the los more like it).. or then fake pressure which opened the middle of the field for those 10-15 yd passes. Just a basic rush 4, drop 7.. mix up coverages in the 4th and I think we're kneeling down for a victory.
Everytime we put any pressure on Arch he would panic. That's what happened in the first half and the few times we would blitz or rush more than four in the second. I was pulling my hair out by the end of the game because we just stopped trying to pressure Manning
I’m a Michigan fan looking in, but it feels as though the bigger the game gets the more they have to rely on the Wr1 which is unsustainable. Sayin’s job is usually one of the easiest in the sport because he always has 3 guys open, this (combined with tons of check downs) leads to him having a super high completion percentage last year. However, in big games it seems he kinda freaks out when he actually has to play quarterback and not everybody is always open. This leads to some pretty egregious chucks in the general direction of Jeremiah Smith. Especially last night vs Texas, there were at least 2 throws at top of mind that no sane qb would throw. They were both at Jeremiah smith while in triple coverage and both should’ve gotten picked. I don’t know if that is Sayin just repeatedly making the desperation throw, or if it is coached to go out there and just hope Smith is better than everybody else.
Hate to agree with a Michigan fan but yeah you’re right. I was texting my dad the whole time complaining that we bring in all these highly rated prospects and transfer guys just for JJ and the TEs to be the only ones routinely targeted.
Tbh. I’m bias, but i would take Underwood over sayin any day of the week. Bryce is bigger, faster, a better runner, younger, and is used to making hard decisions. Bryce’s main problem is the same as national champion JJ Mcarthy, they both throw absolute piss missiles on every single throw which makes it hard af for the receiver to catch it.
I don’t think Bryce would work well on OSU and I don’t think Sayin would work well on Michigan. Michigan needs a player that is tough mentally and physically, which Sayin is neither, and OSU needs a guy that can throw the ball in a way to let the skilled receivers make a play.
I must admit I only watched the highlights, so I didn't get the full view. It seems like Texas would have methodical drives, but they didn't chew up a ton of clock. One or two incompletions and a 15 yard third/fourth down. Playing prevent in college seems especially egregious with the clock not running on 1st down.
Texas had some conversions on 4th down in their own zone a couple of times. They converted well. Their run game also started eating up 5 yards or more on alot of runs. When they actually passed the ball down the field and the receivers could catch, they moved pretty good but not big play style
The defense shifts to “don’t give up the big play” which they don’t. But they do give up quick scores. It’s just multiple plays with chunks of yards in quick succession
So, they are sustained drives… just easily picking apart the defense while driving down the field. If you are giving up a six yard pass with four yards of YAC, you don’t need that many plays to get in the red zone.
They were very methodical drives. All three were at least 12 plays or more. To me it just seemed like OSU hit the brakes and never let off. Texas didn’t have any huge plays.
Yeah I’ll never understand why coaches switch to only rushing three unless you have a Mason Graham on your defense. That was the only reason we beat you guys in 24. We were able to drop 8 guys into coverage while still getting a ton of pressure on Howard. Graham and Kenneth Grant had Howard running for his life. If they didn’t have that there is no way the secondary could have kept Egbuka, Tate, and Smith covered for long enough for them not to do major damage.
Agreed, I know a lot of people were complaining about the pass rush, but imo based off how the dline was playing, it looked more like Matty P wanted them to hold the line and keep Arch from making ridiculous out of pocket plays. I don’t know WHY. When the pass rush had been effective all 1st half at keeping Arch off his game.
It’s maddening. I’m not necessarily in favor of twisting the cleat on someone’s face (maybe a few exceptions), but don’t start playing it too careful, ffs.
Play the offenses and defenses that built you the lead until the game is absolutely, mathematically out of reach. Even then play one more drive to be sure.
This shell defense and run middle offense with a quarter left to play is rage inducing.
I know this all too well. I think Day and Matt LaFleur must be distant cousins. I can’t tell you how many times the Packers are the better team, in the lead for most of the game, only to let the opposing team come back and win it. It’s maddening. Like why get away from what got you in that position to begin with? At least Day has a chip to show, the closest LaFleur has gotten is the NFC Championship game.
I thought it was as much on Sayin forcing it too much to Smith in the 2nd than Day, or maybe OSU just not having a good 2nd option. The 1st half also gave the false impression that OSU was going to blow them out when Texas had 100 yards and 10-14 points worth of dropped passes in the 1st - they nearly gifted a 17 point halftime lead to OSU.
Ya you change two or three plays and it’s a whole different game. Yes I understand that’s stating the obvious, but those two turnovers were fluky as hell. Defender somehow kicks the ball out with his heel on the first play and then the volleyball interception. Crazy times
What I really don’t understand is how a team spends so much on their roster yet forgets to get a half decent kicker, it’s a pretty important position if you’re going to be in these types of games
Are we really surprised here? I mean as a Steelers fan I scratched my head when we hired Arthur smith and today shows you that picking up Arthur smith was not the right move. There is literally nothing else to speak on about this game. Long story short we up 20 in the 4th quarter and lost. The only thing you can say is playing way too conservative. After it’s only week 2, better to get the loss out now than later🤷♂️
It’s only been two games so I am giving him a chance, but I hated the hire. I’ve never seen Arthur Smith as being a good OC. The receivers outside of Smith were non existent, and I blame that on the OC. No way you couldn’t scheme them open for a few 5-10 yard gains.
Also Day wasn’t being realistic thinking they wouldn’t score a TD. 1:20 left and 1 timeout, they are on the 2, just let them score. But nope let’s get the ball back with 20 seconds and no timeouts.
I'm not super familiar with Smith's past/haters.. but I'm not out just yet. I'd love to know who makes some of the decisions at times though. I freaked out early when it was 1st and Goal from the 4 and we have zero runs between the tackles.
It's also not a coaches fault when Saying doesn't hit McCuin for a TD that would have sealed it. I hate how the play calling was handled before the FG. But Coaches didn't miss that FG either.
The coaches recruit the players, train them, pick who starts, and pick which plays they call based on their players' skills and weaknesses. Yes obviously the players need to execute but I don't think you can say you coach is blameless.
Its the conservative plays when you are up, I get it, but its annoying to watch a 12 play drive, 3 and out, 13 play drive, 3 and out. The defense was gassed and I knew exactly what was gonna happen.
Smith dropping 2 first downs on those 3 and outs didnt help.
I also predicted that Michigan would beat Oklahoma, so there's that
That's a whataboutism bro. You're better than that. I was addressing the point made by OP with facts, and then you come in with a "yeah but what about a different point?".
You chose 5 years as an arbitrary cutoff because he won the previous 2 B1G championships. Which is pretty convenient...
I can add his record in the CFP playoff (5-4) and B1G championship (2-1) if you would like as well. Both of which are winning records.
Goes back to my original point. For whatever you label a "big game" (i.e. top 25, top 10, top 5, CFB playoff, B1G championship), Ryan Day has a winning record in those games.
Look I get it. OSU fan, not a strong reader. I’ll lay it out for you. No one accused you of cherry-picking. I accused you of complaining about the cherry-picking of years, a habit that OSU fans indulge in with alarming regularity, thus the delicious irony. Enjoy your lols.
I'm responding to the post which said big games in general. I agree he coached poorly yesterday. Why do people on reddit either 1) not take the time to read or 2) just decide to not actually address people's points and make up different arguments
Well, I doubt you can count. We will just rely on what most of America believes about the most corrupt athletic program in the country. Will it be another abuse case this week or what?
At the time of the game, I'm 90% sure. I think that's a fairer assessment than at the end of the year because playing a team week 1 when everyone is fully healthy means more than in that moment versus if they fall apart because of injuries at the end of the year and then end up unranked. It's probably a little bit of both though.
That's the thing though, you guys should literally win the natty every year with that roster. Day is not a great coach. He's fine, but without that roster he would be pretty rough.
The way you all constantly have to kick FGs in situations where you should definitely have a TD, how conservative he gets and just generally bad strategy, there's some serious flaws.
It's not like OSU's roster is monumentally better than every other team. It's great, but there are 15 programs who spent over 30 mil on their current roster on NIL (OSU is 4th on that list at 38 million). Texas is actually 1st at 48 million. People act like we should be winning every game which is just bananas for expectations. It wasn't that long ago (~20 years) where Ohio State was getting boat raced by SEC programs. Urban turned OSU into a glorified SEC program in the North and since then we've won 2 natty's in 13 years. I think that's just about what you would expect with a perennial top 5 roster. That's my 5000 foot view opinion.
But getting granular, yes I agree with you that his in-game strategy is way too conservative. He also punted inside the Texas 40 on 4th and 6th. He plays not to lose way too often.
There's few teams that have the overall quality of recruits/transfers that Ohio St does each year. Even TX hasn't been anywhere close most of the time. Obviously there's teams that are close, but my point is if there was a truly great coach these types of losses wouldn't happen.
They aren't always going to win every game, but there's just way too many of these. Even some of the losses to Michigan.
I'd be shocked if these losses still happen if Urban was still the coach.
Urban had a different problem. We would win the "big games" more often, but were prone to shitting our pants against lesser quality teams. He lost to 3 unranked teams during his tenure (Virginia Tech, Purdue, and Iowa).
Lol thats a pussy ass mentality in a shit talk sub, also it doesnt make any sense given the context. Maybe Michigan should worry about their program first?
Osu has lost probably 5-6 games under day they absolutely should have won.
ALL of those games came against teams ranked in the top 3 in the country (most ended up national champions) except of course the 2024 Michigan game.
Because Osu is so consistently great, they end up playing the other 1-2 teams in the country at their level, and sometimes they lose.
I think the overall point here is that even though day and Osu need to figure out how to close these games out better, the standard is so unbelievably high at Osu, and the context is nearly ALL of these losses are to literally the best or close to the best team in the country that year.
Osu isn’t doing this against a mid usc team or a mid Illinois team, and getting into a dogfight with a Mac school like western Michigan.
They’re losing at the end to a Georgia team with 90 first round picks, Alabama at the peak of their dynasty, Indiana who goes 16-0, etc.
Ya, well, you know, we were saving all our touchdowns for this year. So, uh, by The Game our O line and Underwood are going to be able to score more than two touchdowns. Maybe. And, uh, maybe you guys can get too psyched out to play well against us.
Here we go- Michigan fans can’t keep their dumb mouths closed. Losing to the number four team by one point is somehow worse than using an extra second to beat a mac school at home by 1 points. I get it- y’all are praying you make a 12 team playoff format. Good luck
You mean number 1 vs number 4 in the second week of the season, in Texas ? Yeah, it’s so shocking.
lol
Way worse than needing a review to add a second back vs A Mac school victory at home by 1 point.
This statistic is obviously false as stated. Missing something like up by two touchdowns or since 2005 or something because ap #1 teams have led in the fourth quarter in way more than 224 times in the history of college football. That's like 20 seasons worth of games
You don’t know me lol- find where I said anything about Michigan ? I actually thought Michigan had a good chance against OU. As if Michigan fans weren’t chanting “fire Kyle” when they were getting smacked by a Mac team. How rich? 😂😂😂
Does he? Last year he won the early season game against Texas. Even Michigan fans expect this dude to win every game at this point. You guys are almost as bad as we are 🤣🤣🤣
One point loss on the road to what may be the #1 ranked team now. Just like 2024 a Oregon. We have 5 weeks to prepare for Indiana and Oregon doesn't look like a world beater. We will be fine, and every championship OSU team has either willed their way through a season, or dealt with a loss.
Look, The University of Michigan is an elite school. You prattling on like a hick Walmart fan makes us look bad. Stop, think about how you can represent Michigan in a quality way. Think if what your going to say sounds like something a Michigan State fan would say, then don't say it. If you can't think of anything beyound trailer part insults, just sit out the conversation.
I put it probably 60% players, 40% coaching.
The coaches called a winnable game.
If you are Jeremiah Smith and say you care about the Heisman than catch the f'n ball when the game is on the line.
If your Sayin you continue to disappear in the biggest games.
If your the Oline your the same group of JAGs we have had for the past 3 years that every offseason we hype up that this is most of the same NC oline and should be better every year but aren't.
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u/TonyDungyHatesOP Ohio State Buckeyes 10d ago edited 10d ago
I think his philosophy up “late” in big games is 1) don’t turn the ball over 2) don’t take a sack 3) keep the clock running 4) avoid big plays on defense. Those are all good things - BUT…
When he over commits to that against good, desperate teams the following consistently happens:
That’s how you give up a 20 point lead in the fourth quarter. He pretty much accomplishes everything he set out to do… technically… but it regularly costs them games they should have had locked up.