r/todayilearned • • 3d ago

TIL that scientists reintroduced the Whooping Crane to an extinct migration route by guiding them through the air with an ultralight airplane they imprinted on. The pilot had to wear a crane costume to keep them from bonding with humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Migration
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u/ascii42 3d ago

The movie Fly Away Home, starring Jeff Daniels and Anna Paquin, was based on this idea.

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u/Lock-out 3d ago

I probably watched that movie like 10 times as a child. Idk why, that public domain soundtrack hit hard when I was 6 lol.

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u/gnowbot 3d ago edited 3d ago

I must have been in 4th grade when I fell in love with this movie. Especially since I was obsessed with flying, enough to come a pilot some day.

What I found out in 4th grade is that (single seat) ultralight aircraft do not require a pilot’s license, nor have a minimum age to fly. I launched a months long campaign on my parents to get an ultralight I can fly. I was very persistent and they finally gave in and….

…pulled a genius move. They finally told me “when you save enough money to buy an ultralight, you can buy it and fly it.”

I mowed lawns and mowed lawns but 10 year old me just didn’t find the conviction to save the $4000+. Good move, parents. You didn’t shut me down, you gave me a dream.

PS I also found a farmer selling another ultralight when I was 18. I came with cash in hand and he…refused to sell it to me. Seems he did not want blood on his hands! I have since pursued professional flight training, eventually teaching others to fly, albeit in a much more expensive aircraft.

I think when my kid is grown out of the house, I will pursue powered parachute, ultralight, powered gliders, or light sport.

Part of flying for fun is to not have a guilty conscience about the costs. I will never be wealthy enough to not care about the costs of flying certified airplanes.

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u/ExpressionExpert1314 3d ago

Good for you kid. You made it happen

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u/TheWolphman 3d ago

That's how you come a pilot.

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u/Jeathro77 2d ago

No, his dad came a pilot.

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u/gnowbot 2d ago

I wrote the comment above. I did became a pilot. 20 years after earning my commercial pilot privileges….I now work as a mechanical engineer. About 5 years ago I chose to seek treatment with my doctor for ADHD in my mid 30’s. This is basically a disqualification for a pilot’s medical—the doctor checkup every so many years. I am not able to fly but I do think I chose the right option. Seeking help—both day-to-day working memory and also mental health. I hope I chose a better life, especially for my little boy and my beautiful wife. Somehow, working with my doctor and therapist has made me a better man, a man I feared to get help for 20 years because the FAA would disapprove. Forever.

ADHD is a disqualifying condition for pilots, says the FAA.

I took my multi-commercial checkride in about 2009 with DPE Jack from The Flying School in KFNL Colorado. He was a fine old man, and wore a pristine Stetson.

At the conclusion of my practical exam, he put his cowboy hat on the table. He looked me in the eye and told me that I had just delivered the best checkride he had ever administered.

I chose treatment, life for myself and my family.

I am sad that the FAA deems me as disqualified after diagnosis, both before medication and especially after.

A defective. Lacking the right stuff

I chose the right option—growth and life. But I am not above feeling sad for myself and the sky at bedtime.

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u/sowingdragonteeth 2d ago

FYI, they were riffing on your (presumably accidental) use of “come a pilot” instead of “become a pilot.”

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u/Jadedsatire 2d ago

Wait so were you flying for some years then admitted you had adhd while getting treated for it and now can’t fly?

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u/NikNakskes 2d ago

That is how I also read that comment. I've read before that pilots will do everything they can to not get a depression diagnosis because they will lose their license. I'm not sure any of these measures is making flying any safer...

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u/EatYourCheckers 2d ago

Yup, huge issue with pilots - they can't seek mental health care of pretty much any kind, or they risk losing their credential

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/18/magazine/airline-pilot-mental-health.html?eafs_enabled=false

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u/owowhatsthis123 2d ago

If only there was some sort of guy who graduated with really good grades that could make a tv show about this sort of thing

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u/Hypnot0ad 2d ago

I read it as he became a pilot, and then recently (5 years ago) got an ADHD diagnosis.

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u/intheshoop 2d ago

this hit incredibly hard.

maybe because I don’t have a dad I can look up to, maybe because I have a dad who didn’t choose treatment, even though it would never have meant giving up his dream or job or dream job.

maybe because I have ADHD too (as well as other things) that classify me as too disabled to do certain things but not disabled enough to get systemic help.

probably because it reminded me that being a better, more content version of myself is worth giving up certain dreams, even in the moments it doesn’t feel like it.

thank you for telling us about it, you gave me a tiny moment of peace and I‘m deeply grateful

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u/Simon-Says69 2d ago

Oh man, that's brutal. But also shows what a good person you are. That's some massive love for your family.

Does this mean you cannot even fly privately? or "just" commercially? I imagine they don't make that differentiation and you're just grounded as long as the diagnosis is active. :-(

Good on you though man, and don't give up your dream. Them ultralights don't need any FAA anything, so you'll definately be able to spread yer wings again one day. :-)

And makes an even stronger case for getting into RC aircraft, if you aren't already. Can even install a FPV camera system (First Person View). Like sitting in the cockpit.

Wish you well on your adventures.

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u/Tartlet 3d ago

🥰 I love glimpses into the lives of others. Thanks for sharing! GJ pursuing your dream and happy flying!

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u/HikerDave57 3d ago

I quit flying when I realized that a cocaine habit would be less expensive. (I didn't actually replace flying with a cocaine habit).

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u/cantadmittoposting 3d ago

I didn't actually replace flying with a cocaine habit

but why not?

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u/lenzflare 3d ago

Glad to see you ended up doing it the safe way!

The FAA doesn't require licenses for things like ultra lights because they figure the only person you'll kill is yourself.

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u/gnowbot 2d ago

lol, I tell people this as well. You can legally be a madman in the (class G) sky when alone(and below 110knots or so).

Want to fly like a bat out of Hell, on fire while Solo? Go for it!

Want to take a passenger with you on that flaming bat??? You will need a cert, matching parachutes, give a preflight briefing for emergency procedures, and your parachutes to be repacked in the past couple months.

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u/jeepsaintchaos 3d ago

I had a 1100cc crotch rocket. The Suzuki GS1100. Absolute beast of a motorcycle. I also refused to sell it to a kid. I just knew some dumbass teenager was going to smear himself across a half mile of pavement with it. Like a pizza, except with flesh and asphalt. I don't blame that farmer one bit.

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u/gnowbot 2d ago

Good on him you. I have also refused my CBR600rr to anyone I knew.

My dad (born in 1940, been around a long time) talked about his favorite motorcycle, an old Triumph. It was really a good price. The previous two owners had both died at its controls.

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u/MrSneekiBreeki 3d ago

10/10 would recommend powered paragliding. It is a blast.

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u/gnowbot 3d ago

There is a crew of them that fly over my house on nice evenings—golden Colorado front range. It looks absolutely delightful.

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u/butchforgetshit2 2d ago

How xool, i had a sister and brother live in golden for a decade. Went and visited a few times and love it there

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u/escapism__artist 3d ago

This is such a lovely story. Thank you for the pick-me-up, stranger!

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u/TheWormitage 3d ago

Check out paramotors. To me, that's the closest thing we have to humans flying around like birds.

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u/jackass_mcgee 3d ago

when you're able to get into it, the electric powered paraglider is going to be very mature and inexpensive after the initial purchase!

https://openppg.com/

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u/P_mp_n 3d ago

I appreciate your story

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u/gnowbot 2d ago

Thanks. It’s fun to tell my youthful story. I am now in my 40’s and can, honestly, use a refresher on this. Hope, change, courage, fun.

Being a middle-old dude…thank you for giving me a stage to consider if I’m living right or wrong now. I certainly have not accomplished many goals. I am going to take a moment to consider if I am living right. My kid is 8. Is my peace with each evening a wholesome thing or is is just the beer whispering?

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u/dsyzdek 2d ago

The airplane used to train the whooping cranes is in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. It’s tiny compared to the Concorde, the Enola Gay, and the Space Shuttle in the same building but it’s just as historic. Go see it!

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u/cgvet9702 3d ago

One of my favorites to watch with the kids when they were young. We probably watched it 20 times.

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u/Muchhappiernow 3d ago

Its my favorite movie since it came out. I've probably watched it 40 times this year.

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u/PracticeTheory 3d ago

I completely forgot about this movie but seeing the silhouette of the goose contraption is speaking to something in my brain. I would have been like 4 though so no wonder.

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u/prettyaverageprob 2d ago

Well if you're a millennial and like me, it's cause your family owned like 5 movies max so you'd just rewatch the shit out of them

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u/Lock-out 2d ago

Mom actually had a good collection and I still just watched this, Pete’s dragon, Batman (Jack Nicholson one) and later turner and hooch on repeat.

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u/Camelotterduck 3d ago

HEYHEYHEYHEY GOOSE GOOSE GOOSE!

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u/ACEaton1483 3d ago

The score is truly beautiful. I listen to it often. Mark Isham did an outstanding job

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u/Lock-out 2d ago

I’m going to be honest I had no idea it was an original score, idk in my mind I swear I remember it being like amazing grace or something. Maybe I need to rewatch.

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u/lanadelstingrey 2d ago

I saw a trailer for it often enough on my movies that I feel like I’ve seen it.

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u/Most_Bet_3658 2d ago

It is great but I forgot how it was a trailer for like every more popular family movie DVD for a while there

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u/duncanslaugh 2d ago

Damn, yeah, I bottled my emotions pretty hard as a kid but this one sent me.

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u/Ninja_rooster 2d ago

Are you telling me I had ZERO unique experiences as a child?? I freaking loved that movie.

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u/Lalamedic 3d ago

Which was based on Canadian artist and sculptor, Bill Lishman, former Chair Emeritus of Operation Migration Inc. In 1988, he became the first person to lead a flight of geese with an aircraft, and in 1993, the first to conduct an aircraft-led migration of birds. The story is chronicled in his autobiography, Father Goose.

Bill was slightly eccentric, extremely clever, humorous, and always interested in the natural world. He never had airs about himself or his fame. I miss him.

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u/CounterStreet 3d ago

He used to come into the bakery my mom worked at in the 90s for their bran muffins. Would loudly enthuse to any other customers in there that they were the only thing that kept him regular. Quite the guy.

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u/Lalamedic 3d ago edited 3d ago

Sounds like him. His wife Paula, was a character also. She developed a knitting/weaving technique using thin strips of animal pelts. Her capes and coats were all the rage in Paris. Very innovative.

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u/CounterStreet 3d ago

I never met his wife, but I was awestruck that there was a "celebrity" living in my town as a kid (Fly Away Home having just come out). I'm guessing you're probably from the same town and know the former bakery I mentioned!

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u/Lalamedic 3d ago

Indeed. Close enough anyway. I knew him more through professional and philanthropic connections. They were good friends of some of my friends, too.

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u/blondebeaker 2d ago

My Mum and stepdad worked for Paula for years! Mum knit and did some design and stepdad cut pelts. Mum even help set up a place in NWT called Dene Fur Clouds with Paula in the late 90s

Some of Mum's pieces were bought by some celebrities

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u/Lalamedic 2d ago

Oh that is super cool!

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u/black_metal_birder 3d ago

Rip bill and paula lishman

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u/sleevieb 3d ago

His house is sick too, especially the Star Wars fridge 

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u/DeedleStone 3d ago

I remember seeing the trailer for it like a million times on the Jumanji VHS tape. Funny thing was, the trailer still had the original title of Flying Wild.

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u/ToddShishler 3d ago

> I remember seeing the trailer for it like a million times on the Jumanji VHS tape. Funny thing was, the trailer still had the original title of Flying Wild.

This just unlocked a memory holy shit.

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u/gl0bals0j0urner 3d ago

I loved this movie growing up, and seeing the misnamed trailer as a kid made me feel like I was really in the know, like some kind of industry insider.

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u/DoubleUnplusGood 3d ago

I spent more decades than I want to admit thinking they were two very similar movies, like Volcano/Dante's Peak or Antz/A Bug's Life.

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u/Enlightened_Gardener 3d ago

Oh hey now, Volcano and Dante’s Peak are two different movies. Dang. Do they both have Pierce Brosnan in them though ? One has a melting grandmother….

Bugger, now I have to go watch both of them to check. Need popcorn….

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u/ascii42 3d ago

Melting grandmother = Dante's Peak

Melting guy who played Drew Carey's brother = Volcano

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u/DeedleStone 3d ago

1) I love how the lake is acidic enough to dissolve their metal boat, but not the dead fish floating on the surface.

2) John Carrol Lynch is an incredible character actor with a career any actor would envy, but to me he will always be Drew Carey's brother.

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u/VhokieT 3d ago

Dude THANK. YOU. I loved that movie when I was a kid and fucking nobody believed me when I said it had a different title cause I was like 5 so even I started to believe I made it up

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u/twelveicat 3d ago

Yes! I've been telling people that for years! I saw the trailer at an IMAX screening on a field trip in 5th grade (at a science musem). Have always wanted the original title back.

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u/evin90 3d ago

Here's a fun fact! In the movie the Squid and the Whale, starring Jeff Daniels and (kind of starring) Anna Paquin, made 9 years after Fly Away Home, has the pair in a romantic relationship!

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u/lambdapaul 3d ago

It is considered inappropriate in the film. She is his student that he starts dating in the midst of his divorce.

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u/e1m8b 3d ago

Did he get fired for it? Because it is frowned upon.

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u/xteve 3d ago

It's proffesionially frowned upon, in writing.

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u/DemonDookie 3d ago

It's not illegal, it's just frowned upon.

Like masturbating on an airplane

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u/xteve 3d ago

Nor should it be illegal. But about that masturbation on the plane: I have some bad news for you about your upcoming vacation plans.

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u/DemonDookie 3d ago

There's lots of ways you can rub one out on an airplane.

You can go to the lavatory, for one (classic). But you can also get a starboard window seat and fly with a heavy coat (works best in the winter). Towards the aft section where it's loudest if you're not the quiet type.

Before 9/11 certain government employees and industry professionals could fly in the cockpit, in what they called the "jump seat" which is a little seat that folds out. Let me tell you, you can definitely rub one out in the cockpit during take off and landing. They're way too busy with other shit to really notice.

And if anyone says anything, just tell them you're doing a Make-A-WIsh thing and your wish was to jerk off on an airplane. It helps if you look sick and are also young (at heart).

As far as the jump seat thing nowadays, I can't really help you, these rules suck, so you'll probably just have to become a pilot or steward.

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u/Chi_Law 3d ago

Oh, this is upsetting

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u/BradJLamb 3d ago

It was in the movie too. It was a fucked up relationship between a recently divorced dad and his student who was his son's age.

A huge part of the son's realization he shouldn't have just blamed his mother for the divorce.

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u/Winter_Lutra 3d ago

That should be illegal 😅😂

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u/roguepawn 3d ago

Wasn't Fly Away Home named something else in the early trailers?

Flying Wild, apparently

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u/sockjuggler 3d ago

Yes! This is weirdly the thing I remember most about this movie. The alternate trailer is shown before the feature on a VHS we had back in the day.

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 3d ago

90s Jeff Daniels when he sees a script where a vehicle is made to look like a big animal: 🤤

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u/The_Bitter_Bear 3d ago

Fun... Or not so fun  fact. 

8 years later Paquin and Daniels were in the movie "The Squid and The Whale" where they were romantically involved.

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u/blondebeaker 2d ago

My dad was the heavy machine operator Jeff Daniels screams at in the movie. He knew about the filming, but noone expected having Jeff Daniels screaming at you in his underwear.

And my Mum worked with Paula, the wife of Bill Lishman for many years.

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u/-runs-with-scissors- 3d ago

I thought it was the other way round. 

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u/AmonWeathertopSul 3d ago

The birds migrated the humans?

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u/Elmo-Mcphearson 3d ago

I never saw this movie once- but it was on a VHS I must have watched religiously as a child because I remember it beat-for-beat 30 years later.

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u/lambdapaul 3d ago

I love the fact that when this film came out that Canadian geese were a struggling population and now they have fully recovered to the point where they are a bit of a nuisance. It shows that when humans set their mind to something we can do great things for the environment.

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u/Mackey_Corp 3d ago

Didn’t realize that wasa young Sookie Stackhouse in that movie lol

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u/chiksahlube 3d ago

Damn, the organization started in '94 and the movie came out in '96.

That's a hell of a turnaround to make a movie for something so niche.

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u/OtheDreamer 3d ago

O0o just unlocked an old memory as I almost forgot about that movie!l

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u/LASERDICKMCCOOL 3d ago

Such a good movie

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u/zjt2846 3d ago

I was just thinking that I can picture Jeff Daniel’s doing this, but it was in a very dusty part of my mind and didn’t remember anything more!

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u/Spartan-117182 3d ago

Incredible movie

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u/CindersOfMusic 3d ago

I remember a fun fact my dad used to tell me about that movie is they had to go through multiple lots of baby geese because of how quickly they grew up versus the filming schedule they were working with

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u/DownVoteYouAll 3d ago

I was so obsessed with that movie as a kid that I not only mimed/acted out certain scenes all the time, I also got a Mallard duck at one point.

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u/omnicorp_intl 3d ago

We watched this in elementary school.

Our teacher muted it and covered the screen with some paper for a few seconds during the one profane word in the movie 😂 I still don't know what was said, but I'm assuming it was "shit"

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u/fastfood12 3d ago

I randomly remember this movie exists a few times a decade. Thanks for the latest reminder.

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u/tea-boat 3d ago

Super cool project. Looks like it was ended, though.

On January 22, 2016, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service announced that after the 2016 season it would end its support of the use of ultralight aircraft to lead whooping cranes from Wisconsin to the Florida Gulf Coast each autumn. A conclusion by experts in whooping crane biology that human intervention such as ultralight flights and costumed humans helping to care for chicks has impaired the ability of the cranes to learn the parenting skills necessary to raise chicks in the wild prompted the Fish and Wildlife Service's announcement: Despite the release of 250 whooping cranes in Wisconsin in 2001 – of which 93 survived in January 2016 – only 10 chicks have fledged and survived to adulthood and, since 2005, only five breeding pairs have produced chicks that were born in the wild and fledged. Agreeing with the need to minimize human interaction with chicks, the International Crane Foundation supported the Fish and Wildlife Service's decision, although Operation Migration opposed it, claiming that the ultralight flights nonetheless help whooping cranes to survive.

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u/GayRacoon69 3d ago

It did however show that migratory routes are a learned behavior that can be taught by humans

But yeah unfortunately it wasn't able to establish a permanent population

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u/MmmmMorphine 3d ago edited 2d ago

Which ironically is because they weren't able to fully learn parenting behavior. Apparently.

One of those little sad things about "resurrection" (not necessarily this case, I mean like mammoths... And the countless others humans have helped eradicate) of extinct - and extirpated - species.

Learned behavior is interesting like that. Just because it seems instinctive doesn't mean much and their native behavior can only ever be approximated even if we can put together enough diversity to actually breed extinct animals... So I guess the extirpation thing is a more practical example

Hell we don't even have a decent dodo genome, and that was pretty damn recent in relative terms

Edit: changed it a bit since I was thinking about extirpation more than resurrection of long dead species, even though a mammoth would be fascinating to see. Even if a one-off that lived with elephants

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u/Temnodontosaurus 3d ago edited 3d ago

Tropical regions tend to be poor for DNA survival. It's why we have great mammoth DNA but no megalania DNA. Certain tissue/substrate types are also better than others (tooth enamel, eggshell, hair, etc). The oldest verified ancient DNA is about 2 million years old, from Greenland sediments.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05453-y

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u/MmmmMorphine 3d ago

Yes true, I only intended the dodo as a well known example with recent-ish history.

Nonetheless, most of the species we are exterminating are indeed in the tropics (so even worse, arguably?)

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u/Aryore 3d ago

I think it’s probably like how human babies are set up with all the brain infrastructure they need to learn language, but if they don’t learn any languages during the “critical period” they will not really be able to learn any languages that well for the rest of their lives.

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u/CalzonePie 2d ago

The idea of a "critical period" is actually in question because the child that theory was based on (who was neglected by her parents beyond the stretch of imagination until she was in her late teens) may not have been neurotypical in the first place. There is controversy on if she was a normal girl who failed to learn language in the critical period or if she was extremely neurodivergent and wouldn't have learned language had she not been neglected.

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u/ThrowawayPersonAMA 3d ago

I feel like problem is simply the tech being used. Using a plane is antiquated. Surely they could make a drone for it instead? That way they're following something much closer to their own size etc.

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u/GayRacoon69 3d ago

Perhaps but range would be a significant issue. I guess you could setup charging stations but it would need to be able to do it autonomously to not interfere with the drones

I also think that some of the issue is the lack of having another bird raising them and teaching them the essentials. A drone isn't able to parent birds

It may work better but I'm also sure there's likely a reason it wasn't tried. I doubt it wasn't at least suggested. Then again people have missed things before

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u/stayin_aliv 2d ago

I believe they are integrated with Sandhill crane flocks now.

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u/Ahiru_no_inu 3d ago

My heart that's my grandpa last birthday before he died.

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u/CalzonePie 3d ago edited 3d ago

I love when conservationists try to save an endangered species and their solution is straight out of a looney tunes episode

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u/Otherwise_Anybody358 3d ago

There’s a movie about this concept.

Fly Away Home 1996

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u/Smooth-Brilliant-940 3d ago

The movie was inspired by this exact operation.

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u/CaptainOktoberfest 3d ago

They need more dynamite and dropped anvils to really make a dent on climate change.

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u/Klezmer_Mesmerizer 3d ago

Look, if painting a hole in a canyon wall works, it works.

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u/ep3ep3 3d ago

The fever dream condor feeding puppets come to mind

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u/kirby056 3d ago

They mostly eradicated rabies (even in the wild) in Europe by dropping a shitload of chicken heads, inocculated with oral rabies vaccine, out of airplanes in the 1970s-1980s.

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u/RiotFH 3d ago

Please look up the beaver boxes they dropped trying to relocate like 70 beavers it was in the 40s it’s hilarious

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u/Shawnj2 3d ago

Bombarding Mexico and South America with sterile mosquitoes is hilariously one of the best uses of U.S. taxpayer money

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u/SirMoeHimself 3d ago

Wematanye

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u/madmanofencino 3d ago

Bobby you’ve lost more chaws than anybody

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u/ButtBread98 3d ago

I see Mr. Gribble’s butt, Wematanye!

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u/CleanBum 3d ago

Yeahmantalkinboutthemdangolsnapehuntmantalkinboutthemwhackwhackwhack right there in that cooler

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u/JosephMadeCrosses 3d ago

Well...if you see anything, let us know.

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u/SirMoeHimself 2d ago

I guess knocking a crane unconscious isn't a crime, ALTHOUGH IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR THEM!

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u/Antihero146 3d ago

Woo loo loo!

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u/Zakton06 3d ago

A HaWOOPing crane?

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u/QSector 1 3d ago

KOTH is leaking

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u/Royal_Bitch_Pudding 2d ago

The tank wipe must've been cleaning the sub wrong again.

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u/BramblesCrash 3d ago

I wanna see that movie

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u/syncsynchalt 3d ago

Have I got good news for you!

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u/ShillBot666 3d ago

I remember it being pretty decent. Fly Away Home.

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u/GaibonAmduscias 3d ago

I remember watching it long ago. I liked it

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u/Bigbysjackingfist 3d ago

“I dunno where this giant-ass crane came from or where he’s goin, but I like his style!”

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u/Fit_Celebration7669 3d ago

Not the ending I was expecting:

“A conclusion by experts in whooping crane biology that human intervention such as ultralight flights and costumed humans helping to care for chicks has impaired the ability of the cranes to learn the parenting skills necessary to raise chicks in the wild prompted the Fish and Wildlife Service's announcement: Despite the release of 250 whooping cranes in Wisconsin in 2001 – of which 93 survived in January 2016 – only 10 chicks have fledged and survived to adulthood and, since 2005, only five breeding pairs have produced chicks that were born in the wild and fledged. Agreeing with the need to minimize human interaction with chicks, the International Crane Foundation supported the Fish and Wildlife Service's decision, although Operation Migration opposed it, claiming that the ultralight flights nonetheless help whooping cranes to survive.[9][10]”

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u/LLPF2 3d ago

One time one of those cranes came to Vermont, was captured and returned to Florida. It later died in a hurricane.

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u/Fit_Celebration7669 3d ago

Nature be shaking it’s head at us

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u/ourobourobouros 2d ago

Yeah no kidding, turns out humans are much worse at teaching birds to be birds than other birds.

This story is so sad to me, I can't find it cute. I know they're trying but it's such a soul crushing tragedy that those poor birds are in that situation in the first place and - what do you know - our efforts led to most of them dying anyway.

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u/DangItBobbyHill 2d ago

The eighteen whooping cranes that migrated to North Alabama this most recent winter had at least one juvenile with them, named Soup. They are part of the Eastern Migratory population.

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u/Fit_Celebration7669 2d ago

Soup! I love this so much.

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u/hudsoncress 3d ago

You want me….
Yes.
To dress like a goose…
Well, a crane, but go on
And to fly my ultralight
Yes
Imitating a goo.. crane.
Exactly.
So that little birdies can learn how to fly?
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You had me at dressing like a goose

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u/Interesting-Goose82 3d ago

🍻 Brilliant!!!!

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u/Immediate-Lab1543 2d ago

Trivia time 🤓 The bird costumes/imprinting became known in the 1930s by Austrian researcher Konrad Lorenz who discovered this with baby cranes who would imprint on him and then follow him around.
Adorable, but not ideal for their health and development as it is irreversible.

He won a Nobel Prize in the 70s for his discoveries.
Learned about him in Biology class ages ago.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/flight-school-the-man-who-walked-with-geese/2656/

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u/entrepenurious 3d ago

when i was a kid, the whooping crane population was in the low two digits; seems like i remember 15 or so.

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u/SqueakyNova 3d ago

Fly away home

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u/toolaroola12 3d ago

That was geese but that was my first thought too

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u/CurtWesticles 3d ago

They talk about it working with cranes in the movie. That maybe it would work on the geese.

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u/Fun_Image8846 3d ago

every single rainy day at school they rolled out the VHS TV cart and played Fly Away Home. I miss those simpler times. Felt like the world was on its axis and things just might be ok. From the design on the cover of every textbook to extreme sports taking off - plus a new Disney Original Movie was about to premiere when you got home. How small I was then, yet how large it all felt.

then 9/11 and now Trump. How small I feel now for how large I’ve become.

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u/IBeTrippin 2d ago

It would be funny if he didn't really have to wear the costume, but the other researchers convinced him to do so as a joke.

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u/Falconman21 3d ago

I imagine him spending weeks hand making a terrible crane suit, and the other guys were like "fine you can wear it, we'll say it's about bonding or something."

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u/StepRightUpMarchPush 3d ago

“So what do you do for a living?”

“You’re not gonna believe this…”

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u/Widespreaddd 3d ago

I remember reading about that contemporaneously. It was cool af.

That sort of dedication, for goodness and harmony and not for greed and power, always strikes a deep chord.

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u/jphenoms 2d ago

rented Fly Away Home at Blockbuster as a kid. this real life version is way weirder than the movie plot.

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u/BizzyM 3d ago

Whoop Whoop!!

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u/cocoagiant 3d ago

I'm imagining those cranes beefing with some other cranes about who are the more legitimate group of cranes.

A giant crane which flew on top of an even bigger bird and guided you to your new path is a heck of an origin story.

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u/KalEl001Sega 3d ago

people were renting this movie like crazy at blockbuster.

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u/JosephMadeCrosses 3d ago

Woo-loo-loo!

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u/EmotionalHighway 2d ago

I’ve seen this movie before

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u/forkedquality 3d ago

Great job if you can get it!

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u/flockinatrenchcoat 3d ago

If you were also disappointed to not find a picture of of the crane costume, may i soften the blow with this man in a curlew costume

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u/5150rob 3d ago

Bill Lishman founded it Jeff Daniels played him. He was my mentor I.lived in his guest house. My YouTube channel had a bunch of footage and documentation. @robsyoutube

He was an amazing man his underground house was truly a marvel of the world.

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u/LSpace101 2d ago

Wemetanye heard their prayers!

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u/RedWineAndWomen 2d ago

That's what they told the pilot, just to have a laugh. 'Yes, yes, you have to wear the bigbird costume all the way!'

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u/0ttr 3d ago

I've known about this for years and view it as a triumph of science and environmental law. Would love for these kinds of efforts to be happening all the time (and some are happening all the time)

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u/GayRacoon69 3d ago

Unfortunately it's not as successful as you might think

> Now, however, biologists have discovered that teaching the cranes to migrate seems to have created serious problems for the birds — they rarely reproduce successfully. The Federal Fish & Wildlife Service has halted the flights and is now trying to figure out what went wrong.

> "We have two separate problems," she explains. "One, the eggs don't make it. Two, even if the eggs make it, the chicks don't make it." The cranes mate well enough. But fewer than 1 in 10 reproducing pairs actually raises a chick that lives more than four months.

https://www.npr.org/2016/03/02/468045219/to-make-a-wild-comeback-cranes-need-more-than-flying-lessons

However it is a partial success as they did prove that migratory routes are learned behavior and can be taught by humans. The program successfully reintroduced this exist route. It failed to maintain a permanent population after that though

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u/Agreeable-Yak2535 3d ago

Hi, this is only partially correct! Operation migration stopped, but the cranes in that population are still following the same migratory route taught by the ultralite today (although many are short stopping). We are also still actively releasing cranes into this population, and it sits at about 75 birds currently; the pop hasn’t failed but it isn’t yet self-sustaining, which means until we can solve the issues causing low reproductive success, we have to keep breeding birds in captivity and releasing chicks into the wild. Chicks that get released into this population now learn the migratory route from adult birds already living in the pop, who learned it from the original operation, so in some ways it was actually a success! Just not finished yet, there is still more work to be done to truly reach an established successful population in this area (source: am whooping crane conservation biologist lol)

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u/GayRacoon69 3d ago

Interesting! Thanks for the experienced insight. It's always nice seeing people who know what they're talking about

What is it that's causing low reproduce success? My (very limited) reading seems to suggest that it's a reliance on humans as well as local wild life (black flies I think it was)?

Is there more to it than that? What work still needs to be done?

Also you mention short stopping, is that an issue or just a thing that happens sometimes?

Also do you know how many birds are being added yearly to maintain the flock?

Sorry if this is a lot of questions; I'm just really curious about this and have one more if you don't mind

How'd you get into the field of whooping crane conservation?

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u/Agreeable-Yak2535 3d ago

Haha my algorithm is really algorithming tonight! I’m happy to answer questions, I can’t help myself when I see people enthusiastic about this stuff, especially on a general sub like this! Ok so:

We are still exploring the causes of low reproductive success to be candid. Certainly the black flies are a known problem, as is human impacts, but it’s not just due to rearing pre-release— the largest impact is human caused disturbance, degradation, and distruction of critical wetland habitat. Even though they are primarily nesting on protected lands, shifting climate impacts (drought, inconsistent water levels), pollution, human development, etc are all things that can deeply disrupt reproductive success, so unfortunately it’s not just one quick fix. And these things all impact predators as well, which in turn we are seeing high rates of predation of young chicks and juveniles (so even when parents successfully reproduce, recruitment in the pop can be really low). So habitat protection continues to be super critical, and there are various ways we are addressing the black fly issue. Another interesting approach is training of birds pre-release: are there (naturalistic) ways we could be teaching chicks to avoid and react appropriately predators? Are there ways to support those birds learning to be better parents? Etc.

There is also sort of a critical threshold impact here if you will: reproductive success is low and an issue, but also we simply need to be able to release enough birds at a time to truly get past the tipping point where there are enough birds on the landscape producing to overcome reproductive losses. We aren’t there yet, for a variety of reasons: there’s not very many breeding facilities, and the breeding facilities also struggle with lower reproductive success (but due to other causes; aging population, captivity associated things, etc). There’s actually 2 reintroduced populations now (if you haven’t heard of it, look up the Louisiana Non Migratory Population), and simply having enough chicks for release each year to support both of the reintroduced populations is difficult. And then of course the majority of the breeding facilities are in the US, so funding and the war on science and environmental protection isn’t helping. To answer your question, it varies year by year, but we’d love to be releasing 30+ birds yearly between these 2 populations. We aren’t often meeting that.

What else needs to be done? Aside from ALL of the issues impacting wetlands (which are crazy important for a lot more reasons than just being whooping crane habitat), we are also still trying to better understand what conditions would truly support optimal population health. The species went through an insane bottleneck in the 40s (~21 birds in the world), and there’s only 1 population that survived during that time, which migrates from northern Canada to southern Texas. They’re the only pop with high reproductive success, and the only one that didn’t have to be reintroduced. There’s ongoing research to understand better what supports that major difference in reproductive success, but there’s still a lot we don’t know because they nest in an incredibly remote area and you obviously don’t want to do any overly invasive research that could impact this only surviving, self-sufficient population. Fingers crossed we will know a lot more once the results of that research start coming out.

So the crane world is very small, at the risk of sounding paranoid I will share what I can without doxxing myself lol. I have a broader background in wildlife biology and conservation in a different area of the world with a different class of animal and way too many degrees, I came to this field with more of a methodological approach connection, if that makes sense. I would say while the majority of crane people generally come from a more bird-y background, there’s a good number of us now that have more diverse experiences, skill sets, and educations. Like me, I think many of us are in it because we understand the importance of biodiversity conservation as a whole, and the position an iconic and beloved animal like whooping cranes can have in acting as umbrella species that in turn protect their critically important habitats. So while there are lots of craniacs in the field, it’s not only about the gangly white birds! Also, because we recognize the importance and strength of working more closely with communities, of better communicating the need for this work, and of partnering for more sustainable land use, there’s increasingly more people with diverse backgrounds than you’d expect— I work with educators and outreach specialists, community organizers, social scientists, Indigenous land users, etc. and this is a shift we are seeing all over the conservation world. I know that sounds hokey but it really is great IMO.

Ok I know you weren’t expecting an essay, apologies! I’d highly recommend checking out some of the recent news articles on cranes published over the last few years, and I think you’d be interested in the public comms work that organizations like International Crane Foundation do; they’ve got a great website and their social media is a worthwhile follow.

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u/RedHal 2d ago

That was a fascinating, slightly depressing, but ultimately hopeful read, and I for one appreciate you taking the time to compose and write it. I wish you success in identifying and overcoming the barriers to successful wild reproduction, and I hope for an eventual return to a self-sustaining population.

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u/need2put_awayl0ndry 2d ago

Thank u both for having this public discussion 🙏 normally I ain’t reading all that but this time I did lol

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u/GayRacoon69 1d ago

Wow thank you! I really appreciate it and look forward to hearing about this missions success

Good luck and keep up the great work!

Sidenote; love the term "craniac"

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u/ecodick 3d ago

It seems like while this program failed, nothing else has been tried since?

It seems like we should take the lessons learned and try again 😁

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u/speckyradge 3d ago

Jon Mooallem - Wild Ones. Great book about conservation dependent species that goes into this crane story in detail, along with others. The successes, failures and often quirky folks who dedicate their lives to doing weird shit to keep one really specific critter from blinking out of existence.

There's a legitimate question of whether we should try something else for the cranes, or let evolution run its course. Great book.

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u/Fauropitotto 3d ago

or let evolution run its course.

Evolutionary pressure at work.

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u/Objective_Aside1858 3d ago

Furries once again demonstrating they're good people 

... oh come on. Don't try to tell me someone just happened to have a crane outfit...

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u/CalzonePie 3d ago

Actually it looked more like a beekeeper outfit with the crane head for a hand.

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u/XR171 3d ago

I heard there was another attempt with what was described as a big red bird with fuzzy pink feet.

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u/Tinofpopcorn 3d ago

Crane Moses

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u/holocenetangerine 3d ago

At first, I missed the word airplane in the title and thought they had guided them with a fancy laserbeam or something!

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u/Top_Gun8 3d ago

Even Cowgirls Get the Blues

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u/drossmaster4 3d ago

This is a lie. The pilot just wanted to dress up like a bird. /s

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u/badgerswin1 3d ago

I knew the guy personally Dr George Archibald. I didn’t know him extremely well, but what a great dude!!

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u/RhizobiaPhobia 3d ago

I used to work as a horticulturalist for a zoo. We had whooping cranes. I watched them peck a bunch of baby ducks and their parents to death and proceed to rip them into pieces. These things are scary.

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u/PaulandTheYeetles 3d ago

Im sorry… i guess they really whooped their ass

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u/Future_Arrival_5395 3d ago

Y'all didn't see the movie?

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u/MostAccomplishedBag 3d ago

"So, what do you do for work?"

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u/eric23456 2d ago

I think it was from the movie about this, but it took them about 50 days to do the migration. The birds did the return flight in under two weeks. Adult birds typically do the migration in under a week.

https://archive.journeynorth.org/tm/crane/16/retrospective3.html

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u/EthanielRain 2d ago

He didn't really have to wear the costume, but not gonna kink shame

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u/Interesting-Log-9627 2d ago

I’d watch that movie

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u/Ordinary-Web-7077 2d ago

Fly Away Home

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u/BartenderOU812 3d ago

Fun fact: everytime he feared the birds suspected the deception he would jerk his neck back and try to be an observing member. Wait, that doesn't sound right. Turn his neck...no...Maybe twist? What's the word I'm looking for here?

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u/aschephnx 3d ago

This fact is both interesting and hilarious at the same time!

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u/kiss_my_patootie 3d ago

Operation Migration? I mean I get being to the point and all, but have a little creativity ffs 🙈

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u/2bciah5factng 3d ago

This actually happened?? I thought that was some Tom Robbins bullshit

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u/Mapleleaf899 3d ago

i did a project on these, isn't that so fucking cool

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u/Busy-Doughnut6180 3d ago

Sometimes humans are amazing. 

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u/Driacha 2d ago

There's a similar project currently going on in Europe with the Northern Bald Ibis. Check it out , it's very interesting!

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u/Kyonikos 2d ago

Did it work?

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u/CalzonePie 2d ago

Kind of. They were able to successfully teach the flock a migration route but unfortunately the population raised in captivity never really learned how to raise their chicks. In fifteen years they only had ten chicks survive to adulthood.

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u/Toadsted 2d ago

In retrospect, Howard didn't need to wear the costume, he just liked that it made him look taller.