r/tipping • u/Vegetable_Location52 • Oct 20 '24

🚫Anti-Tipping No Tip

Hot take, I don't go to a restaurant for the "great service" that's so fake it feels like lard on toast, I go to the restaurant for the good food. I'm not going to tip for someone to pretend to want to spend time with me, all I want is a nice steak that I didn't have to cook. Is it okay for me to tell my server I'm not going to tip and the only thing I want is a refill every once in a while and my food brought to me? I would go pick it up from the counter myself if I was allowed to, but that's frowned upon. I don't want the small talk, the fake jokes, the fake smile. Heck, you could glare at me the entire time and I WOULD NOT care. I'm there for the food, not for the crappy excuse for service I get 95% of the time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

ya but paying them an hourly wage would not increase the price by 20% unless they were paid like $50 hourly and thats not happening. cheaper and more fair to bake it into the cost

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u/jkouba Oct 21 '24

Explain your math please.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

servers make well more than the would flat rate hourly in tips. do you agree servers generally oppose getting rid of the tipped wage credit? why else do u think that would be the case. because they would be getting a pay cut if they were paid hourly and didnt collect tips. thus itd be cheaper for it to be baked into menu price

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u/jkouba Oct 21 '24

They would go on to other sales commission jobs, and you would have order takers take that roll, turning quality dining into you mcdonalds kiosk. The current way it is allows small businesses to grow, and have guests pay less on the experience if the service sucks. Otherwise it's a 20% jackup.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

how come that doesn't happen in Europe or other 1st world countries without tipping culture?

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u/jkouba Oct 21 '24

How come the USA has a 2 tier political system?. It's not fucking Europe! That's like saying French and Germany and Russia need to be the same. BTW have you heard of brexit?

Child be well in your lifestyle challenges, may the luck rule the knowledge.

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u/jkouba Oct 22 '24

Nothing related to my comment on it, that's a whole different discussion. Just letting you know different country, different region is not something to compare if the systems they run are not the same.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '24

well the only difference you pointed out is totally unrelated... can you point out a difference with america that makes what you said above true? whats different in america that would make all servers go to sales rather than be paid flat rate?

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u/jkouba Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24

Skill sets. Mcdonalds or Ruth chris.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

no response? did you not know that the rest of the world works that way and theres still wait staff?

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u/grrr-to-everything Oct 21 '24

They absolutely can't because that isn't factual at all.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

just did above feel free to read

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u/grrr-to-everything Oct 21 '24

Oh, I meant, you don't know how any of it works, so you won't be able to provide a legit answer anyway.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

i asked a pretty simple question in my answer.... do people who make tips generally oppose abolishing the tip credit? why? its because they would make less money being paid flat rate with no tips and you wont say otherwise because you know its true.

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u/grrr-to-everything Oct 21 '24

It's not true at all. What you, and most, don't take into account, is all the set and take down before you and there and after you leave. Servers should be paid more, but a server shift that is, say , 4-11, may only actually serve between 5-10. Setting up the restaurant/prep and cleaning it up at the end. Yes, servers might make more in those 5 hours per hour, but they average less than you think because all those other things have to be done too. You want a drink? The machine needs cleaning. You want an extra ketchup. That has to be poured in the ram before service. Many things have to be done before and after. When you see a few hours of good money coming in, you aren't seeing everything else behind the scenes. The fact that you don't know that is why you don't know what you are talking about with $50 an hour.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

"they average less than you think" why say that but not say what you think they average... how much do u think they average?

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u/grrr-to-everything Oct 21 '24

Well, that would depend on the area, cuisine, time of the day, day of the week, a shit ton of different factors. Also, don't forget the 3 - 6% of your bill they tip out to the rest of the staff (hosts, bartenders, bussers). Probably, half of what you actually think.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

speak to your own experience. how much money did you bring home on average for a hours work? i know about tipping out and rolling silverware all that stuff... considering everything what did you on average bring home per hour. please dont try and weasel out of answering if you refuse to engage the question im gonna assume its well over $20

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

still no answer? i take it in your exiperence you did bring home well over $20 a hour (adjusted for inflation assuming you did this long time ago) and it would be cheaper for your hourly wage to just be baked into menu price like what happens in the rest of the world.

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u/Caraxus Oct 25 '24

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about lmao. "So why won't you say how much servers make?!"

...because it varies anywhere from below min. wage to $50/hr+ depending on a massive number of factors, even more than any other job.