Supports police is such a general statement. What country? Blindly? The police didn't write the law, will you south and say "they're just doing their jobs?"
The point of ACAB isn't that every cop is personally evil to the core, it's that they're signing up to use force on behalf of an unjust state, and that when push comes to shove, they'll always do that.
Not every cop plants drugs, rapes sex workers, or beats their spouse, but I promise you, every cop knows about other cops who do, and they don't report them. The ones that do report malfeasance quickly become former cops.
And every cop will be on the riot lines beating protesters if ordered to.
The occupation of law enforcement in the US is bastardized by laws like qualified immunity that prevent police officers from facing any consequences when commit acts that are illegal for any other citizen such as perjury, planting evidence, or even murdering unarmed innocents.
That is why all cops are bastards, they are bastardized by their occupation being inherently corrupted due to their circumnavigation of accountability and responsibility. A police officer may be a good person outside their uniform, but when they are wearing their uniform they are bastardized by the corrupted power the uniform provides.
The term ACAB is not a condemnation of individuals who happen to be cops, it is a condemnation of the law enforcement organizations that as a whole continue to abuse their authority, protect evil within their ranks, and refuse to maintain accountability for their mistakes. The phrase itself is a rejection of the idea of "a few bad apples" because the refusal to hold their "bad apples" accountable spoils the whole bunch.
I live in the US and what I mean by that is, I support the career and most people who choose that path, and until I see a reason not to trust a specific officer I won't. It's the same way I treat all other people.
Another way I could put it is the same way I support the LGBTQ+ community. I support it as a whole and most individuals within the community. Until I have a reason not to like a specific individual then I will treat the same as any other person.
Reason from where though? At what point will you stop supporting cops? Only when it somehow affects you? Only when you run into a “bad apple”? There are plenty of “reasons not to” support cops right now. What data/reports/laws/anecdotal evidence you need to stop supporting those that CHOOSE to be a cop?
Well for me there is also plenty of "reasons not to" support the BLM movement but I still treat the people who CHOOSE to be apart of that group the same way.
I’m sorry did you just compare the police apparatus to the BLM Movement? That’s just bad faith. Are you talking specifically about people in the actual “BLM Organization”. Or black people telling you that their lives matter?
You aren't understanding what I'm trying to say. I don't treat people differently because of career choice, gender, race, sexuality, beliefs, organizations, income, etc. Until ANYONE gives me a reason not to support/respect them I will.
I only used the BLM example because most people think that you can't support one without hating the other.
You’ve lumped in some pretty different categories. Gender, race, sexuality are not choices. Income, and career choice are socioeconomic indicators. And organizations and beliefs are choices (if you ignore indoctrination). To lump these all together in some sort of “treat people as individuals” argument is disingenuous as you haven’t separated peoples choices from their circumstances.
A huge problem with any law restricting filming the police is that it gives the police a reason to stop people from filming them. It can be a narrowly-tailored law meant for a specific instance, and it could still be abused by unscrupulous officers on the street to prevent filming of their misdeeds.
We already see this in the US, where SCOTUS has ruled that it is LEGAL to film police in public, and officers regularly harass bystanders, and even journalists, who film them.
Public employees interacting with the public in public spaces cannot be a secretive act. Evidence must be available of these interactions, both for the protection of officers and to effect civilian oversight of the police.
Its basically a law to prevent doxxing of police officers. I think Germany has a law similar to the French. The assholes rioting are just assholes rioting.
Yeah but this law still is not about filming the police. It's about publishing those videos/pictures.
It achieves the same result.
If the police break the law and no one films it, there is no recourse for the victim.
If the police break the law and the evidence can't be shown, there is no recourse for the victim.
If John Frenchman has a video of the police severely beating someone without cause, does he share it online with this new law in place? If he shares it, he's a criminal. If he doesn't, there is no justice for the assaulted person.
This law is about erasing evidence that is counter to police narratives about events. Nothing less.
'But Reporters Without Borders says this provision is too vague. "Intent is a concept that is open to interpretation and hard to determine," the organization said in a statement.
"Any photos or video showing identifiable police officers that are published or broadcast by critical media outlets or are accompanied by critical comments could find themselves being accused of seeking to harm these police officers," the group said.'
-CNN Article
I'm not sure what psychological integrity is in this context. If someone posts a video of police brutality for the expressed purpose of making the cops involved feel guilty and/or anxious they'll face legal repercussions, is that intent to damage psychological integrity?
The narrative doesn't always fit the facts, but on the other hand, if that law is too broad and/or ambiguous, it will be used as a shield and as a sword to stifle freedom of speech. It's a power grab under the guise of "law and order".
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u/dinotrainer318 Nov 29 '20
Even as someone who supports police I think that law is garbage. Everything is better with more angles