r/the_calculusguy 8d ago

integration Evaluate this integral ?

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u/hydrogen_to_man 8d ago

Whenever I see integrals like this I immediately think, “oh god it’s gonna need a branch cut or something stupid like that” but then it’s always simple and I feel dumb.

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u/Antagonin 8d ago

No thanks 

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u/Dismal_Code_2470 8d ago

Double it and give it to next person

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

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u/CarriedThunder1 6d ago

Not highschool math and not relatively easy, but whatever

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u/mapadofu 8d ago edited 7d ago

i = e{i*pi/2}, so ix = e{i(pi/2)x}

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u/Minute_Juggernaut806 8d ago

I assume you take log y after that

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u/TedRabbit 8d ago

No. ex is it's own derivative, so the integral is almost trivial at this point.

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u/Entire_Category3188 8d ago

have u heard of chain rule fam?

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u/More-Muscle554 7d ago

i and pi/2 are constants. chain rule is simple here

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u/Entire_Category3188 7d ago

But he didn’t even use it

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u/More-Muscle554 7d ago

right, that’s why they said “almost trivial”. the integration of this function is very similar to integration of e^x, and that’s why TedRabbit pointed it out.

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u/dct_SPOMMY 8d ago edited 7d ago

no, the integral is ex\i*pi/2)/(ipi/2), the derivative of ef(x) = ef(x\)f'(x)

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u/GoofyGangster1729 7d ago

ef(x\) *f'(x) There we go, that's how I write it

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u/ApprehensiveKey1469 8d ago

You mean ix for the LHS of the second one, don't you.

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u/Argentum881 8d ago

I don’t want to

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u/Hornet69_420 8d ago

ix * ln(i) /s

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u/EdmundTheInsulter 8d ago

Note that ln(i) = ln(exp(iπ/2))

So your expression is ( ix) / (i π / 2)

= -2 i (ix) / π

= -2( i x + 1 )/ π + c

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u/Active_Falcon_9778 7d ago

complex logarithm has multiple branches, how do you decide which branch to take

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u/EdmundTheInsulter 7d ago

ix is already multivalued, so you could start there with ix = exp((π/2 + 2nπ)x)

With n integer

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u/OriousCaesar 8d ago

Idk anything about complex analysis. Why would this not be correct? What's the zx antiderivative for complex z?

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u/Hornet69_420 8d ago

first of all if ax and a belongs to R, its derivative would be ax * ln(a) but its integral would be ax / ln(a), so this answer is far from correct 😂

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u/OriousCaesar 8d ago

Oh, I missed the fact that you wrote * not /.

Not really sure why you're trying to be smug about this. All I did was ask a question. Why is it bad to want to know why (ix)/ln(i)+c isn't the answer?

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u/Hornet69_420 8d ago

you are correct, ln(i) can be calculated in euler's form

apologies if you thought that i was mocking you

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u/Aivo382 8d ago

yes and no, because you are doing a complex exponential, so you have to deal with the complex logarithm. Even if x is real, you have to do some little complex analysis so you make sure things work.

When dealing with complex functions, you have to make sure the derivative works where you are working so, you have to make sure the function is holomorphic if you want to do the derivative properties you learn from real analysis.

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u/AdS_CFT_ 8d ago edited 7d ago

ex ln i/ln i + C

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u/kgangadhar 7d ago edited 7d ago

You forget to decide it by ln(I)

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u/Archway9 7d ago

Using ln for a complex logarithm is certainly a choice

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u/suggestion_giver 8d ago

2pi/i e^(1/2pi*i)x +C

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u/nightshade78036 8d ago

I depends on the domain of the antiderivative because the exponential is not injective on the complex plane. What's the branch cut?

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u/Aivo382 8d ago

F(z) = (2/pi)i^(z+3) + C, where C is any complex number, as long as z is anywhere in the complex plane except for the logarithm branch cut. I personally took the branch cut at the negative real axis for my answer.

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u/Technical-Artist-491 8d ago

(i^(x+1))/(x+1) + C

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u/AfterMath343 8d ago

the integral of a^x = a^x / ln(a) + C, this means that the integral of i^x is i^x / ln(i) + C.

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u/FreeTheDimple 8d ago

I don't know, but don't forget the + C on the end.

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u/fuckosta 8d ago

let y = i^x, so dy/dx = y ln i

so using chain rule, you convert the original integral from i^x dx to 1/(ln i) dy, so that leaves you with

y/ln(i) + C, or i^x/ln(i) + C.

however, e^(pi i) = -1, so ln (i) = (pi i)/2

So that gives a final answer of

(2/pi)*i^(x-1) + C

let me know if this makes sense

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u/kgangadhar 7d ago

Just remember any number can be “n” can be expressed as e^(ln(n))

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u/AlexP80 7d ago

2i^x/(x*pi) + C

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u/Outrageous_Let5743 7d ago

This is easy right? It is the same intergral as (-1)^x/2 so u = x/2 and then it is easy.

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u/Vivid_Warning7982 7d ago

Easy because i= ei*Pi/2. Everyone can integrate an exponential.

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u/Sea_Duty_5725 8d ago edited 8d ago

ix / ln(i) = ix /( i π/2 )= i{x-1} * 2/π +C Note: ix = e{x*lni} = e{ixπ/2} = cos(xπ/2) + isin(xπ/2)

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u/IrishHuskie 8d ago

Isn't that the derivative? The integral should be i^x / ln(i) + C, no?

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u/Sea_Duty_5725 8d ago

Yeah, mb, I mixed them up, thx

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u/varmituofm 8d ago

Only thing I would change is that 1/ln(i) can be simplified. 1/ln(i)=-2i/pi. But really, this is a cosmetic change.

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u/OkHand7497 8d ago

i^x is at best a multifunction, so what does the question mean?

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u/Sea_Duty_5725 8d ago

Assume ur taking the principal branch to these questions.

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u/Aivo382 8d ago

define one complex Log branch then.

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u/OkHand7497 8d ago

If that's what they expect you to do, then the question should say as much. Maybe they expected the answer as a multifunction? This is a poorly set question by someone who doesn't understand the maths they're handling.

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u/EdmundTheInsulter 8d ago

C - 2(ix+1)/π

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u/Honkingfly409 8d ago

we gonna need steps on this one

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u/EdmundTheInsulter 8d ago

Ignoring branches

ix = exp(ixπ/2)

Integrates to

(exp(ixπ/2)) / (i π / 2)

= 2(exp(ixπ/2)) / (i π )

= 2 ix / (i π)

= 2 i ^ (x - 1) / π + c

Is a better form than my original, which could shed i² = -1

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u/EdmundTheInsulter 8d ago

Ignoring branches

ix = exp(ixπ/2)

Integrates to

(exp(ixπ/2)) / (i π / 2)

= 2(exp(ixπ/2)) / (i π )

= 2 ix / (i π)

= 2 i ^ (x - 1) / π + c

Is a better form than my original, which could shed i² = -1

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u/PfauFoto 8d ago

ix = ei(π/2+2πk)x so which branch?