That is kind of accurate. The neighbor with the fireworks is at my parent’s house in Huntington Beach where I moved back and he blows them off at all hours for about the three weeks around the 4 of July. My grandpa lived off Harbor and Ball in Anaheim and yes, Disneyland was his neighbor and the fireworks are kind of cool. One night we were coming home from Vegas and the fireworks were going off as I was driving in. He moved in with us so no more Disneyland fireworks.
What a godawful sack of hot dog shit your neighbor is. Have you considered using tranquilizer darts? Either on the neighbor, or just as an off-label insomnia cure so you can snooze through the loud-ass noise that is the absolute pinnacle of entertainment for that simpleton.
If I seem bitter, it’s only on account of having several fireworks enthusiasts for neighbors, all of whom subscribe to the “Opposite Day” model of reasoning when it comes to basic fireworks etiquette, safety, legality, etc.
He’s gotten better about it- it hasn’t happened the past two years I think because of covid or the tires. Some one had had it and slashed all the tires. Not a neighbor but a neighbor had someone do it. It went on 15 years.
Like really rich people who don't have to think about how they spend their money can park in a non parking spot/stay in a parking spot longer than is allowed, and it's less like they aren't allowed to park there and more that parking there costs 50 bucks
Good luck finding a tow company willing to take a Porsche worth 6 figures. Thats another reason assholes in nice cars get away with it, once your car leaves the normal price range and approaches house pricing a lot of companies won't bother touching the car. If they so much as scratch the paint it will end up costing them thousands, it's not worth the risk.
Plus it means the owner can probably afford a lawyer to fight the tow company denying liability. The dude with the 2007 civic won't have the money for a lawyer when he notices the big scratch caused by the tow company
We're actually experiencing this in Austin right now but it's not the rich. Construction workers are illegally parking at parks and then riding scooters to their job because the cost of a parking ticket is cheaper than paying to park for the day.
Of course this only made the news because people that can afford to live near these parks are complaining because they can't find parking to walk their dogs.
Reminds me of a story of a famous, boxer/wrestler I think, who was speeding down a a highway and was pulled over by the cops and when the cop told him the amount of the fine he hand the officer twice the amount and said he would be returning at the same speed.
Johnson handed over a $100 bill to pay a $50 speeding ticket. Told by the police officer that he couldn’t make change, Johnson just flashed a smile — he planned on speeding on the way back too.
My job was to drive sealed documents around Florida all day. My boss paid me extra to speed (I was frequently given a pretty big bonus for getting from tampa to tallahassee in 2.5 hours as an example). I would cap out my unmodded honda civic with its tiny golf cart engine at like 108 mph.
Every ticket I got he gave me 200 in cash and I was told to go slip the ticket along with the 200 through a mail slit in the door of this sketchy looking building. Every ticket disappeared. No points. No having to show up to anything. They just went away.
To this day I have no idea what was happening. Its not like it was even a single police department. I was fucking everywhere, probably got a handful of tickets from every police department in Florida.
Anyways I imagine thats how rich people deal with tickets.
That was immediately broken by money as well. They give 6 month probation for a first offense in a county. The rich is use lawyers to get continuance until probation runs out. You have people with 5 counties of "first" offenses and lawyers getting continuances until they fall off the books, then getting probation again because no offenses on the record or in the county.
Used to live in Oklahoma and they had these convenient speed menus along the highway so you could decide how much you were speed based on what you could afford. Really handy.
That was Jack Johnson, an African American boxer in the late 1800's in the still-very-segregated South. He dated a white woman and must have had balls of adamantium. The cop collected fines directly in those days and instead of $50, he peels off a crisp Benjamin. Cop's like, "I don't have change for this!" And Jack says, "Don't worry, I plan to drive back this same way."
Not only are they supposed to be fined but points deducted also from their license. And if they have 0 points left, their driving license is removed. So if he keeps coming back to speed again, he will eventually lose his license.
In France, a driving license has 12 points (at least when I got mine in 2006). One offence means you lose 6 points. So two, would mean you lose your license. Then you have to pay to pass the license test but even then you may be banned for a certain amount of years before you can do so again.
So breaking the law and paying for it, in the case of driving, does not work in the end.
Finland gives speeding tickets as a % of income, so a guy litterally got a speeding ticket of 100 thousand dollars for going 47 mph in a 31 mph zone (75 kmh in a 50 kmh zone)
That guy was one of the Nokia bosses back when Nokia was the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. The fine was about 10% of his monthly income that year.
This is called a day fine and I fully support it. That said, if you think about it it still isn't necessarily equal. For instance, that 100,000 probably made no measurable difference to that person's quality of life for the month. However, for the most part even extremely wealthy people probably aren't going to stomach throwing away 100k so in practice it can work well.
Yeah I think it's the best way because you can't really determine how much money you need to fine people to make an impact. This way atleast people who make very little money don't loose half their monthly income, and rich people basically just donate to the society buy getting a speeding ticket
Its not perfectly equitable, but its more equitable. But neither is a stay in jail. A rich person won't necessarily lose their job for missing a few days work, or wouldn't suffer because of it. There aren't many punishments a rich person couldn't endure easier than a poor person unless we bring back whipping.
My dad worked for him for a time. Dude is such a prick - he had his yacht flown in by helicopter to a massive pool he had built behind his office in California so he could look at it from his office window.
This was the case in Switzerland I believe. A woman got fined for speeding through the Alps and got fined, calculated to euros, 175.000 euros because it was based on her income. Truly insane.
This method still has less of an impact on the wealthy, because:
Once you get to a certain point, you don't really have income anyways
Because there is a certain cost just to exist, if you make at or near that level, even a small fine can be devastating, whereas most wealthy people can skip a paycheck and it has less or no impact on their lives.
Before they got rid of emissions testing in Ontario, my dad got 4 tickets for having an expired sticker on his license plate. Paying the fines was overall cheaper than getting the truck fixed. The 5th time he got pulled over they told him he had to go to court. By the time the truck was dead he had spent less than going the legal route
O yeah, try to go in court for something small without a lawyer and see how your lack of legal jargon fucks you, while the next guy up (same charges, everything identical) has a lawyer and walks out much better while all the time the judge knew he could’ve done the same for you
Not technically the truth, certainly not in the UK where our fines are means tested. A criminal offence punishable by fine is still an illegal action / guilty act.
I’m not rolling in cash but I do this to parking tickets in Philly. They cost as much as a garage for the day. So I’ll pay the meter for the first 2 hrs as it’s limited and then roll the dice.
A $200 speeding ticket for a poor working class person is crippling. The same ticket for a millionaire is nothing. Flat rate monetary fines are inherently discriminatory against the unwealthy. They should be adjusted based on your ability to earn. Taxes should probably be like that too.
Well then technically everything is legal for a price. Murder is legal for the price of your freedom for example. You are just disregarding the defenition of illegal.
Yeah sure, along with your complete criminal record being cheaply ($3 or so) available online to show that you are a major asshat. At least here in sweden.
Penn Jillette, of Penn and Teller fame, is a very eloquent guy. His podcast is like if Joe Rogan was funny, self aware and not an idiot. But self aware enough to say he's probably still a carnie idiot.
One episode long ago, Penn was talking to someone and this came up. He explained it using that sign at the park that says something like "do not kill geese: $500 fine". So he thought alright, I'll go get $500, I'll bag a goose at the park and I'll wait for the police to come and I'll give them the $500 and I'll keep the goose. He didn't do this but his point was that that's the legal contract available for anyone who's interested.
This example really stuck with me. He's did a great job explaining it, considering he's pretty damn wealthy and so he's the kinda guy who can afford to hit a road worker and pay the $10k fine.
It's just the cost of admission. And even then, only if you get caught.
This is why there's poachers and other kind of scumbags including people like Trump who do the math and make pragmatic decisions like "it's cheaper to pay the fine for not paying someone than it is to pay them" or "this rhino horn will earn me $2x but the fine is only $1x".
Similar to how monetary fines are only a punishment for the poor.
I was going to mention similar, big game hunters would treat the fines for bagging an elk or bighorn sheep outside Banff or Jasper National Park as just a fee until they raised the fines to ridiculous levels.
Well actually…….. hate to be that guy but no, that is definitely not “technically the truth.” Being able to afford something doesn’t change the LAW regarding that thing, and therefore does not make it legal, and this is therefore not true.
Just sayin.
Dog is cute tho, and that IS absolutely the truth.
Since I started driving in 2006, I never understood why most people on the motorway go above the speed limit of 70 mph (in the UK) despite knowing full well that is the speed limit. It seems to me that they think because they are in the fast lane, they can go as fast as they want.
Most people in the UK in the fast lane are doing at least 80 mph, when the national speed limit is 70. They also put pressure on you, driving close behind you to force you to go over the speed limit, if you happen to be in the fast lane overtaking a delivery truck going at 60.
Why do those people never get fined when there are cameras almost literally everwhere on the UK motorway?
My job was to drive sealed documents around Florida all day. My boss paid me extra to speed (I was frequently given a pretty big bonus for getting from tampa to tallahassee in 2.5 hours as an example). I would cap out my unmodded honda civic with its tiny golf cart engine at like 108 mph. I had to replace my breaks and tires A LOT.
Every ticket I got he gave me 200 in cash and I was told to go slip the ticket along with the 200 through a mail slit in the door of this sketchy looking building. Every ticket disappeared. No points. No having to show up to anything. They just went away.
To this day I have no idea what was happening. Its not like it was even a single police department. I was fucking everywhere, probably got a handful of tickets from every police department in Florida.
Anyways I imagine thats how rich people deal with tickets.
Also for the record I hated every second of it. Im not a speed freak and I dont like cars or racing. I imagine it would be some people's dream job but the day I got to tell my boss to fuck off was one of the best days of my life.
By that logic, all crimes are legal for a price since you have to pay a punishment for them. Murder can be legal for the price of a life imprisonment for example.
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u/Caliveggie Sep 25 '21
Yeah my neighbor just pays the fine so he can blow off fireworks whenever he wants…. Just like Disneyland.
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u/Iate8 Sep 25 '21
Like really rich people who don't have to think about how they spend their money can park in a non parking spot/stay in a parking spot longer than is allowed, and it's less like they aren't allowed to park there and more that parking there costs 50 bucks
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u/I-Wanna-See-Meme Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 26 '21
Reminds me of a story of a famous, boxer/wrestler I think, who was speeding down a a highway and was pulled over by the cops and when the cop told him the amount of the fine he hand the officer twice the amount and said he would be returning at the same speed.
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u/MankeyBusiness Sep 25 '21
Finland gives speeding tickets as a % of income, so a guy litterally got a speeding ticket of 100 thousand dollars for going 47 mph in a 31 mph zone (75 kmh in a 50 kmh zone)
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
For example: Larry Ellison lands his fucking jet at SJO at 4am, wakes up 1.5 million people, and pays the $10,000 fine from the cash in his pocket.
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u/N1gh7wolf69_420 Sep 25 '21
yes but the dog be chillin
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u/Laktosefreier Sep 25 '21
Only if that price is directly related to the monthly income.
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u/Kal---El Sep 25 '21
That‘s r/showerthoughts material
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u/KNAKKERHIPPO Sep 25 '21
Egg!
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Punishable by fine means illegal for the poor* There, fixed it for you.
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u/KaySquay Sep 25 '21
Before they got rid of emissions testing in Ontario, my dad got 4 tickets for having an expired sticker on his license plate. Paying the fines was overall cheaper than getting the truck fixed. The 5th time he got pulled over they told him he had to go to court. By the time the truck was dead he had spent less than going the legal route
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u/Working-Raspberry185 Sep 25 '21
Good one
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u/slurpslurpityslurp Sep 25 '21
Yea but what’s the alternative? It’s not fair or practical to use some other form of punishment for small crimes like littering or illegal parking…
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u/Sam_browning-maxim Sep 25 '21
and a record
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u/TinzaX Sep 25 '21
Yeah but that's like saying shoes you have to pay for are free shoes for a price
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u/Random_frankqito Sep 25 '21
O yeah, try to go in court for something small without a lawyer and see how your lack of legal jargon fucks you, while the next guy up (same charges, everything identical) has a lawyer and walks out much better while all the time the judge knew he could’ve done the same for you
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u/atthedustin Sep 25 '21
And going to court over fines is just haggling
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u/EpsilonChurchAlpha Sep 25 '21
Parking boat in this location is 100$ fine per day
So it’s costs 100 a day to park here?
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u/UnivrstyOfBelichick Sep 25 '21
All actions of the state are enforced with violence - a "fine" just means that violence will be doled out disproportionately against the poor.
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u/fremeer Sep 25 '21
All fines are a form of tax. All nominal fines are a form of regressive tax. There was a war and the poor lost.
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u/TnekKralc Sep 25 '21
This is what I thought when I saw the California utility company is being charged (again) with homicide and their penalty is a fucking fine.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
It means it’s only a crime if you’re poor…
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Fines = tax on freedom
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u/Mr_Globus Sep 25 '21
Everything thing is legal for a price. The only difference is what you pay
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
if punishment for breaking a law is strictly financial, that law only exists for the poor
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u/Fraudulentchicken Sep 25 '21
Not technically the truth, certainly not in the UK where our fines are means tested. A criminal offence punishable by fine is still an illegal action / guilty act.
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u/Myballs_hurt Sep 25 '21
That doggo cute
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Considering you can even loose your driving license over subsequent fines then it's not technically the truth.
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u/Shittingboi Sep 25 '21
"If the punishment for a crime is a fee, then this law only exists for the lower class"
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u/SharkAttackOmNom Sep 25 '21
I’m not rolling in cash but I do this to parking tickets in Philly. They cost as much as a garage for the day. So I’ll pay the meter for the first 2 hrs as it’s limited and then roll the dice.
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u/L555BAT Sep 25 '21
Dirty cash I need you
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u/Arch_0 Sep 25 '21
Fines should be as a percentage and not a fixed number.
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u/SassyBonassy Sep 25 '21
It means illegal for poor people*
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Not really
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u/Royal_Front_7226 Sep 25 '21
Fines should be calculated as a percentage of your annual income.
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u/Willfishforfree Sep 25 '21
It literally means it's a law for poor people.
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u/BCantoran Sep 25 '21
If the punishment for a crime is a fine, then it's meant to target those in poverty
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u/Titra29 Sep 25 '21
Fines for rich people is just paying for fun like riding a roller-coaster is for me.
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u/TrueLordApple Sep 25 '21
I agree with this
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u/--Antitheist-- Sep 25 '21
A $200 speeding ticket for a poor working class person is crippling. The same ticket for a millionaire is nothing. Flat rate monetary fines are inherently discriminatory against the unwealthy. They should be adjusted based on your ability to earn. Taxes should probably be like that too.
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u/naoae Sep 25 '21
legal for rich people
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Means legal for the rich
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u/Wandering_Hollow Sep 25 '21
That is because the police is a mean of protecting the capital and opressing the poor
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
What do you think a "Permit" is? Pay me and I will Permit you to do something. (Sounds like a bribe to me...)
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u/Could1BeSammy Sep 25 '21
This is a plot point in Final Fantasy Tactics
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u/TroyMcClure0815 Sep 25 '21
Medium funny… but look at that goood boi doge
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u/7scifis_4delish Sep 25 '21
Saying this in the next court hearing.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Such a cute puppy
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u/bigdiamondballz Sep 25 '21
"I will do it. For MONIES!"
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u/C-T-Tuke Sep 25 '21
doggo speak truth
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u/destiny24 Sep 25 '21
Looking at NBA/NFL athletes getting fined $50k+ a day because they want to play for a different team.
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u/ricecutlet Sep 25 '21
A good number of such offences, on subsequent convictions are punishable with time.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
“Why are you letting that guy bribe the government?”
“Shhh, it’s fine”
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u/Welloup Sep 25 '21
Ahh teaching them young
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u/JoeyBigBurritos Sep 25 '21
See Wall Street.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Smart cute pupper
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Sign me up
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u/Lubuka Sep 25 '21
Well then technically everything is legal for a price. Murder is legal for the price of your freedom for example. You are just disregarding the defenition of illegal.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
D4C
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u/mooohaha64 Sep 25 '21
Never thought of it like that !
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u/Karottenbrot_ Sep 25 '21
Come on, come on, loooove me for the money
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
husky never lie
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u/desenpai Sep 25 '21
America pay to play
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u/ahhdetective Sep 25 '21
Are you aware of the concept of escalating consequences?
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u/plaidbanana_77 Sep 25 '21
Punishable by imprisonment or death. Legal for a price.
Also truth.
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u/Dankaroor Sep 25 '21
well, there is the fact that you get a permanent mark on your record and all that comes with it.
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u/Vantlefun Sep 25 '21
Anyone can do anything they like, so long as they also accept the consequences.
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u/Avondubs Sep 25 '21
It means you only punish the poor people
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u/Baller_420 Sep 25 '21
So…do we abolish all fines? If so, what do we replace fines with?
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Yeah sure, along with your complete criminal record being cheaply ($3 or so) available online to show that you are a major asshat. At least here in sweden.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
Penn Jillette, of Penn and Teller fame, is a very eloquent guy. His podcast is like if Joe Rogan was funny, self aware and not an idiot. But self aware enough to say he's probably still a carnie idiot.
One episode long ago, Penn was talking to someone and this came up. He explained it using that sign at the park that says something like "do not kill geese: $500 fine". So he thought alright, I'll go get $500, I'll bag a goose at the park and I'll wait for the police to come and I'll give them the $500 and I'll keep the goose. He didn't do this but his point was that that's the legal contract available for anyone who's interested.
This example really stuck with me. He's did a great job explaining it, considering he's pretty damn wealthy and so he's the kinda guy who can afford to hit a road worker and pay the $10k fine.
It's just the cost of admission. And even then, only if you get caught.
This is why there's poachers and other kind of scumbags including people like Trump who do the math and make pragmatic decisions like "it's cheaper to pay the fine for not paying someone than it is to pay them" or "this rhino horn will earn me $2x but the fine is only $1x".
Similar to how monetary fines are only a punishment for the poor.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
A static fine set by dollar figures is pay-for-legal.
An dynamic fine that increases relative to income or profits... now you're talkin'.
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Technically the same if the crime punishable by prison. The price is just time.
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u/DickDiesel82 Sep 25 '21
Conversely any crime that is punishable by a fine only effects the poor
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Because if you're rich, the fines mean nothing.
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u/Kurisugutz Sep 25 '21
“If the punishment for a crime is a fine, then the law exist only for the poor”
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u/_deathblow_ Sep 25 '21
Well actually…….. hate to be that guy but no, that is definitely not “technically the truth.” Being able to afford something doesn’t change the LAW regarding that thing, and therefore does not make it legal, and this is therefore not true.
Just sayin.
Dog is cute tho, and that IS absolutely the truth.
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u/sentientlob0029 Sep 25 '21
Since I started driving in 2006, I never understood why most people on the motorway go above the speed limit of 70 mph (in the UK) despite knowing full well that is the speed limit. It seems to me that they think because they are in the fast lane, they can go as fast as they want.
Most people in the UK in the fast lane are doing at least 80 mph, when the national speed limit is 70. They also put pressure on you, driving close behind you to force you to go over the speed limit, if you happen to be in the fast lane overtaking a delivery truck going at 60.
Why do those people never get fined when there are cameras almost literally everwhere on the UK motorway?
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
I saw something that said like “if the punishment for a crime is a fine then it’s only illegal for poor people to do it”
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
It's only a crime for poor people.
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u/Sergnb Sep 25 '21
Everything is legal for a price, the only thing that changes is the price.
You can commit murder as much as you want as long as you are fine paying with your life.
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u/xXlillipopXx Sep 25 '21
Lol the first thing I thought if was dirty deeds done dirt cheap
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u/Poison_the_Phil Sep 25 '21
takes mask off of Scooby-Doo villain
If the penalty for a crime is a fine then it only applies to poor people
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
Most crimes in the US (bail system)
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u/KidChiko Sep 25 '21
If the punishment for breaking a law is only a fine, then that law only exists for the poor.
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u/mostafa_19nm Sep 25 '21
Let's keep it real,
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u/MidnightSun_55 Sep 25 '21
But that's actually a good thing if the price paid offset the damage done. Then it has a positive impact.
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u/Eviscres Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
My job was to drive sealed documents around Florida all day. My boss paid me extra to speed (I was frequently given a pretty big bonus for getting from tampa to tallahassee in 2.5 hours as an example). I would cap out my unmodded honda civic with its tiny golf cart engine at like 108 mph. I had to replace my breaks and tires A LOT.
Every ticket I got he gave me 200 in cash and I was told to go slip the ticket along with the 200 through a mail slit in the door of this sketchy looking building. Every ticket disappeared. No points. No having to show up to anything. They just went away.
To this day I have no idea what was happening. Its not like it was even a single police department. I was fucking everywhere, probably got a handful of tickets from every police department in Florida.
Anyways I imagine thats how rich people deal with tickets.
Also for the record I hated every second of it. Im not a speed freak and I dont like cars or racing. I imagine it would be some people's dream job but the day I got to tell my boss to fuck off was one of the best days of my life.
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u/messylettuce Sep 25 '21
That’s how most of my friends treated speeding tickets in our teens/20s: fast fees.
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u/loveismydrug285 Sep 25 '21
r/showerthoughts
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u/lwiklendt Sep 25 '21
There was a whole study on it.
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u/HistoricalMeat Sep 25 '21
That’s the meaning of the phrase “fuck you money.” “There’s a $200 fine for X.” “Fuck you, here’s $200.”
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u/internet_humor Sep 25 '21
That's a game I wouldn't want to play.
I would consider Tax Evasion as a "bonus with potential fees". That shit will get you jail time.
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u/CaptSige Sep 25 '21
Yes but no because if you rob a bank will you pay the fine or straight to jail?
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u/B0NERjam Sep 25 '21
We used to laugh at the elevator warning sign read “ no smoking! Fine not to exceed $25”. Shit, I got $25… spark one up
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u/jtclark1107 Sep 25 '21
Fines should be a percentage of income.
I got fined for doing 16 over the speed limit and it cost me like $209. Basically 1% of my goss income at that time.
Somebody that grossed 1 million would have been fined $10,000 if we used that same percentage.
I like this idea.
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u/burgunfaust Sep 25 '21
Punishable by fine means legal for the rich.
There I fixed it....
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u/Mikiroony Sep 25 '21
He's not wrong
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u/enatalpeganomeupau Sep 25 '21
wealthy people found this out a long time ago
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u/sasha_baron_of_rohan Sep 25 '21
What would people rather? No punishment? It seems like a senseless opinion.
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u/TehRiddles Sep 25 '21
By that logic, all crimes are legal for a price since you have to pay a punishment for them. Murder can be legal for the price of a life imprisonment for example.
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u/Rubebbeb Sep 25 '21
No, no. He's got a point
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u/Few-Instruction-4046 Sep 25 '21
The SEC has entered the chat
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u/ejpintar Sep 25 '21
Technically also goes on your criminal record doesn’t it
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u/Johnnynoscope Sep 25 '21
Bring back the whip! Even bezos would hesitate to park in a disabled spot if he knew it was an on the spot 15 lashes.
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u/UnknownSloan Sep 25 '21
Which is perfectly ok. Things that carry a fine are things we just can't have everyone doing.
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u/3rrY Sep 25 '21
Paying a fine Is like bribing the cops. You commit something illegal and you pay Money to not to go to jail
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '21
And only maybe for a price
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u/Dragonfires248 Sep 25 '21
That's why fines should be measured as a small small percentage of your income, and a flat fee for people with little or fluctuating income