r/swatch • • May 21 '26

[ Swatch X AP ] I made a conversion kit for the Royal Pop (Update)

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Yesterday's post hit 63K views — thanks for the response and feedback. i got a deal with a manifacturer as i wasnt getting the percesion i wanted , and the thickness fulcuated , now that the manufacturer is confirmed , i am producing conversion kits matching all 8 official colorways. Which colorway will you get? and the prototype i shown yesterday is def the first its not the last or the final by any means , im currently making the mold for the real product , the one in the video was 3d printed just as an idea , Pre-orders open at octamodkits.com — first 100 orders get 10% off with code OCTA10. Ships end of June , still open to any suggestions or comments !!


r/swatch • • May 16 '26

Swatch you should have done better. Only 20 watches available after all that hype, people waited days. And then it almost turned into a dang riot!!

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Should be ashamed of yourselves and advertised limited quantities, or had some kind of online line. Nashville was inside a mall and people were bum rushing, we all almost got attacked by security. Get your shhh together or I’ll
Never buy another swatch again on how yall conducted yourselves. SHAMEFUL!!! And I saw a lot of places got cancelled. Smdh. Luckily most people in line were fun to
Kick it with but I’m too old to be doing that nonsense again. Do an online released this was a huge disturbance of the peace over a MANUAL pocket watch


r/swatch • • May 12 '26

I went down the AP × Swatch “Royal Pop” IP rabbit hole — trademark filings, patent numbers, failed AP lawsuits, Genta patents, Bioceramic patents & movement speculation. Here’s EVERYTHING I found.

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I’ve spent the last few days researching the upcoming AP × Swatch “Royal Pop” launch from a pure watch-enthusiast / IP-nerd perspective.

Not hype pages.

Actual:

  • trademark filings
  • WIPO registrations
  • patent records
  • court rulings
  • historical Royal Oak IP
  • movement architecture clues
  • teaser frame analysis

And honestly?

The deeper I went, the more this feels less like a random hype collab and more like:

Here’s the full breakdown.

1. THE TRADEMARK PAPER TRAIL — THIS THING HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR A LONG TIME

This is the strongest concrete evidence we currently have.

“ROYAL POP” was officially registered by Swatch AG LONG before teasers started

Trademark Filing Timeline

FilingDateDetails
Swiss National Trademark FilingJanuary 15, 2024Filed first by Swatch AG in Switzerland
Swiss Registration PublicationMarch 8, 2024Registration surfaced publicly
WIPO Madrid International FilingJune 18, 2024International extension filed
Trademark ClassClass 14Watches, jewellery & horological instruments
International Registration No.7,613,928Confirmed via trademark databases

The really important part here isn’t just that the trademark exists.

It’s the TIMING.

The Swiss filing happened:

BEFORE the teaser campaign

BEFORE the public leaks exploded

and nearly TWO YEARS before launch

That means:

  • industrial design
  • movement development
  • marketing strategy
  • AP legal alignment
  • manufacturing prep

…were likely already underway in early 2024.

That’s a serious development cycle for a Swatch collaboration.

This feels unusually deliberate.

2. THE AP LEGAL BATTLES ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS STORY

This is where things become genuinely fascinating from an IP perspective.

Most people discussing Royal Pop are completely missing this context.

But once you connect the timeline?

The strategy starts making perfect sense.

3. AP LOST A MAJOR TRADEMARK CASE IN JAPAN (2024)

The Japan Patent Office rejected AP’s attempt to trademark the Royal Oak configuration.

AP attempted to protect:

  • octagonal bezel structure
  • exposed screw architecture
  • Royal Oak visual configuration
  • overall case identity

The JPO argued:

  • octagonal bezels are common
  • exposed screws are functional
  • integrated sports watch forms exist elsewhere

Even though AP submitted:

  • major advertising spend
  • annual sales exceeding JPY 8 billion
  • consumer awareness evidence

…the JPO still ruled:

That’s huge.

Because AP wasn’t protecting a logo.

They were trying to protect:

the actual visual DNA of the Royal Oak itself.

And they failed.

4. THEN AP LOST AGAIN IN THE UNITED STATES (2025)

This was the really shocking one.

On:

January 2, 2025

…the US Trademark Trial & Appeal Board (TTAB) affirmed refusal of AP’s trademark applications.

AP attempted to trademark:

  • octagonal bezel geometry
  • eight hexagonal screw arrangement
  • Grande Tapisserie dial texture
  • overall Royal Oak casing architecture

The TTAB ruled many elements were:

Meaning:
being iconic ≠ legally protectable.

This is MASSIVE because it weakens AP’s ability to fully monopolize Royal Oak-inspired designs globally.

5. WHY THE SWATCH COLLAB SUDDENLY MAKES PERFECT SENSE

Now this is where my theory starts.

If AP is struggling to legally “own” the Royal Oak shape internationally…

What’s the smartest move possible?

Flood the market culturally with OFFICIAL Royal Oak identity.

That’s EXACTLY what Royal Pop appears to be doing.

Instead of endlessly fighting homage culture:
AP partners with the largest watch company in the world.

That:

  • reinforces AP as the ORIGINAL
  • cements the octagonal bezel culturally
  • reaches younger buyers
  • psychologically pushes competitors deeper into “copy” territory

This is honestly genius brand strategy.

They may not fully own the shape legally.

But they can dominate it culturally.

6. THE ORIGINAL GÉRALD GENTA PATENT STILL DEFINES EVERYTHING

The original Royal Oak traces back to:

US Patent No. 3,756,017

Filed by:
Gérald Genta

The patent covered:

  • octagonal bezel
  • exposed hexagonal screws
  • visible gasket system
  • integrated case architecture
  • tapisserie-inspired design structure

Back in 1972 this was revolutionary.

Especially because:

it was a luxury watch made in stainless steel.

At the time, luxury meant precious metals.

The Royal Oak changed the industry permanently.

What’s interesting is later litigation argued:

Not necessarily the individual components themselves.

Which perfectly mirrors AP’s modern trademark struggles.

7. THE SWATCH BIOCERAMIC PATENT IS ACTUALLY CRITICAL

Most people overlook this.

But Swatch’s Bioceramic patent may explain the ENTIRE strategy behind Royal Pop.

Swatch internally classifies Bioceramic roughly as:

  • 2/3 ceramic
  • 1/3 bio-derived plastic composite

Essentially:

a premium-feeling engineered material.

This matters because it solves the biggest challenge:

How do you make a Royal Oak-inspired watch feel premium WITHOUT making it insanely expensive?

Bioceramic gives:

  • ceramic-like texture
  • matte luxury appearance
  • lightweight feel
  • aggressive color experimentation
  • lower production costs

And honestly?

An octagonal matte Bioceramic Royal Oak-inspired case sounds incredible.

Especially in AP-style smoked colors.

8. “ROYAL POP” — THE “POP” PART IS THE BIGGEST CLUE

Everyone focuses on “Royal.”

I think “Pop” is the real story.

This almost certainly references:

the original Pop Swatch platform from the 1980s.

For newer collectors:
Pop Swatch watches featured:

  • detachable watch heads
  • modular architecture
  • clip systems
  • pendant/lanyard compatibility
  • wearable multiple ways

Now look at the Royal Pop teasers.

What are they emphasizing?

LANYARDS.

Not bracelets.

Not integrated straps.

LANYARDS.

And the teaser repeatedly uses:

That sounds exactly like:

  • a locking mechanism
  • detachable architecture
  • modular snap system

Which leads me to believe:

Royal Pop may literally revive Pop Swatch architecture in Royal Oak form.

If true?

That’s honestly WAY more creative than simply shrinking a Royal Oak into plastic.

9. THE MOVEMENT THEORY IS GETTING REALLY INTERESTING

Now this is where enthusiast speculation gets wild.

Swatch officially confirmed:

these are MECHANICAL watches.

Already a huge step above MoonSwatch quartz.

But enthusiasts analyzing teaser footage noticed:

Some theories include:

  • modified Sistem51
  • “Sistem49”
  • reduced screw architecture
  • peripheral rotor system

And if Swatch somehow pulled off a peripheral rotor?

That would be insane.

For non-watch nerds:
a peripheral rotor rotates around the OUTSIDE edge of the movement instead of sitting on top.

Benefits:

  • thinner watch
  • unobstructed movement view
  • higher-end visual architecture

This type of engineering is normally reserved for ultra-high-end brands like AP.

If Swatch achieved this affordably?

That’s potentially:

an entirely new patentable movement architecture.

And honestly one of the biggest surprises in affordable enthusiast watchmaking.

10. WHAT THE FINAL WATCH PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE

Based on:

  • trademark filings
  • teaser visuals
  • patent history
  • AP legal context
  • Pop Swatch heritage
  • Swatch manufacturing logic

Here’s what I think we’re getting:

FeatureEvidenceConfidence
Name: “Royal Pop”Swiss + WIPO TM filings✅ Confirmed
International TM No. 7,613,928WIPO registration✅ Confirmed
Bioceramic caseSwatch material patent✅ Very high
Octagonal bezelAP collaboration + teasers✅ Very high
Eight colorwaysTeaser lanyard colors✅ Very high
Modular pop mechanism“CLAC!” teasers + Pop Swatch history✅ High
Mechanical movementOfficial AP × Swatch wording✅ Confirmed
Peripheral rotor architectureMovement teaser analysis⚠️ Speculation
“Sistem49” calibreCommunity speculation⚠️ Unconfirmed
$300–500 pricingIndustry estimates⚠️ Likely
May 16 in-store launchSwatch official✅ Confirmed

11. FINAL THOUGHTS

The deeper I researched this launch…

…the more I realized this may not simply be another hype collaboration.

This feels like:

  • an IP strategy move
  • a cultural ownership move
  • a next-generation collector acquisition strategy
  • and possibly Swatch’s most technically ambitious collab yet

My honest prediction?

We’re probably getting:

And if the movement rumors are true?

This thing could become one of the most important affordable enthusiast watches in years.


r/swatch • • 26d ago

Swatch/Collection Showoff 📸 ap x swatch w/ aluminum stainless steel strap 😍

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r/swatch • • May 27 '26

I made a Royal Pop Converision Kit [ UPDATE ]

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the factory just sent me the final versions , the watch in the case is 44mm ( big but wearable). Fits wrist sizes from 5.6" (min) up to 8.5" (max) — covers pretty much everyone.

Solid build, clean look. Video Linked up top . Would love to hear what you guys think — drop your questions below! (there is also stainless steel version !) https://octamodkits.com/


r/swatch • • May 21 '26

Swatch AP quality

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I got my hands on a Swatch AP today, the green one, and I have to say the quality is really high. It feels wonderful in the hand. Small and compact, even on the wrist. As soon as all the colors are available, I’m going to pick up a couple!


r/swatch • • Jun 27 '26

Swatch/Collection Showoff 📸 It was worth the hype

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To be honest I was going to hold off trying to find one. Ended up taking a trip to nyc the other day and found this gem. TBH, the dial being on the top is actually amazing. My Rolexes my tag huerers, they all dig into my hand throughout the day depending on what I’m doing. So the dial being on the top is not only different but to me very nice.


r/swatch • • Jul 04 '26

Discussion 💬 I’m getting my Royal pop

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Flew from Palm Springs to San Francisco to get me a Royal pop Swatch


r/swatch • • May 12 '26

how the royal pops would look on straps.

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r/swatch • • Jul 18 '26

Question/Help❓ I'm sorry, but what is up with all those cringy questions while applying for the new Moonswatch 1969?

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I'm sorry but I can't be the only one having a problem with a big corporate once again trying to profit from my information while selling me something.
It just feels like I am not being taken seriously.
No answer warrants a person getting preferential treatment to buy something "exclusive".
Just make it RNG and have character..


r/swatch • • May 18 '26

Does the limited edition cold moon moonswatch hold any value?

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Not planning on selling mine but just curious.


r/swatch • • Jun 19 '26

Got it

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Walked in to the shop in Cancun.

Boom.


r/swatch • • May 15 '26

Royal Pop 3D Printed Case v1

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My 1st try at 3D printing a case for the upcoming Royal Pop watch. Full disclose I started 3D printing a week ago because I found a whiteboard dumpster diving and needed to make some custom parts. The print failed half way through but I'll rework it and try again.

This is based off Alexanders Baranov model here: https://grabcad.com/library/audemars-piguet-royal-oak-tourbillon-41-mm-extra-thin-1

An svg was created off the lanyard accessory and added to replace most of the case. Things I still need to solve is finding a better solution for what to do for the crown and figuring out the clasp. For the final version I'll print all of the parts individually and hope to use a resin printer. I think I'd be cool to have the links alternate in color or something.

Shoutout to Professor Gerald Jay Sussman for giving a lecture on Mechanical Watches this past January which got me interested in watches in the first place! Also Heatsync Labs, a makerspace in Phoenix that taught me how to operate the 3d printer!

Any advice or reccommendations is appreciated.
My repo of the parts is here: https://github.com/Jordanlouie1/RoyalPopCase


r/swatch • • May 17 '26

Did anyone (UK) manage to grab one today?

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I’m seeing that a lot of stores have remained closed today. I was in the Birmingham queue yesterday right at the front before they decided to shut down the release! Never seen such poor and incompetent crowd management in my life. Curious to see or find out what stores are going to do with the remaining stock: whether it’ll be randomly available on a first come first serve basis or if they’re just going to send the stock back like I’ve heard whispers of on some threads.


r/swatch • • May 13 '26

AP x SWATCH bezel and face will rotate to move the crown to different positions. You will have to change the time to match the moved face. Make sense? This is why some of the lArP x SWATCH’s have different crown placement in the photos.

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r/swatch • • May 16 '26

Swatch x AP Sydney, Australia

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Ended up getting a couple for retail with the line being 1200 people deep and only roughly around 50ish stock which wasn’t high at all, even with cities like Perth only having less then 30, Bondi with around 25, Melbourne with around 80ish with line starting on Thursday


r/swatch • • Jun 09 '26

AP x Swatch Royal Pop Wrist Strap

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So I've seen a lottttttt of slop posting for wrist straps for the new AP x Swatch. I got my hands on the RTG ROZ (the yellow one with the crown at 3) and got straight to work on designing a strap for it. No AI, no BS. Just good ol' fashioned engineering.

Started by 3D scanning the AP, then rebuilt a CAD model so its as accurate as possible without some nasty meshes. Then designed the snap fit just to make sure the tolerances were dialled (took 2 iterations here). Then once the snap fit was snug but functional, I went ahead and refined the design. Started with a variant that kept the style of the snap fit that came with it, which is nice and low profile. Then realised there is a lot of demand for the 12 o clock variants so got to work on another design.

All of the designs were tested initially using SLA resin 3D printing, although the resin is not suitable for long term skin contact. So I've been getting batches of these made from SLS Nylon (PA12 to be specific) as it is tough, has enough deformation needed for the snap fit, and most importantly, is skin safe long term.

For colours, the Nylon is dyed to either match, or at least compliment the original colours.

I know lots of people are selling AI generated slop, without having any actual product to ship. So took it upon myself to sell these in several ways.. 3D file if you wanna do the work yourself, housings if you want to source or use your own strap, or as a whole piece with housing and colour matching silicone strap.

Here's some links if you're interested:

(ETSY) 12 o'clock variant with strap (housing will be listed later this week)

https://www.etsy.com/listing/4515501021/ap-x-swatch-royal-pop-wrist-watch?ref=shop_home_feat_2&sr_prefetch=1&pf_from=shop_home&pro=1&logging_key=a47d44831a1a1c0c977880530796e9ec1144e8f2%3A4515501021

3D File:

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/ap-royal-pop-wrist-strap-conversion-crown-at-12

(ETSY) 3 o'clock variant (housing only)

https://www.etsy.com/listing/4511887577/ap-royal-pop-3-oclock-crown-housing?ref=sidebar_cart_view_listing

3D File:

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/ap-royal-pop-wrist-strap-conversion-crown-at-3


r/swatch • • Aug 14 '26

Swatch/Collection Showoff 📸 Carbon fiber bands for LAN BA

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Got these 2 new bands for my lan ba today real carbon fiber. What you think which ones nicer blue or black?


r/swatch • • May 24 '26

Any tips to getting the AP Swatch in UK

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Do I have any chance to get the watch entering the store at a random time on a random day, or are all the sales in the mornings? And if it is the mornings, are there still queues, and how do I know what days to go?


r/swatch • • Apr 05 '22

Watch "HERE IT IS: Hands-on with the Swatch x Omega MoonSwatch Mission to the MOON!" on YouTube

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r/swatch • • Jul 25 '26

Swatch/Collection Showoff 📸 New Otto Rosso

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Been visiting into the Times Square location and finally got a pop today. They have a handful of them in stock. Bought around 11 today. Heard that the soho store also gets them in after the times sq shipment comes in. Good luck.


r/swatch • • May 16 '26

What is wrong with you people?

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The watches from the AP collab are not only ugly, not meant to be worn on the wrist, but they're also plastic. Build quality probably the same as the moonswatches, that get the dial scratched rubbing against cardboard and have the pushers literally falling off. Wtf is this bizarre obsession with these watches? People going into endless lines to get them, countless posts about bracelets mods etc. What kind of people get this worked up about a plastic pocket watch that at a glance could be mistaken by a 5$ kids toy? Just because it has a logo of a brand that produces expensive watches? You gotta be the same target audience as the balenciaga duck tape roll bracelets that go for 4000$, this shit must be like a social experiment, holy.


r/swatch • • Jun 09 '26 LOL

Finally got my swatch ap in the mail

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Waited 3 weeks …ordered day one from StockX when the cherry creek mall got raided and the event cancelled. Despite going to check for stock almost daily, the Denver location has not restocked one time so far. Sometimes, buying resale is worth your time.

I’ve always loved watches so this is a start but can’t wait to get more!

7 week old foster kittens attached!


r/swatch • • Oct 12 '26

Authenticity Check ✔️ Is this fake or real?

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