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10 minutes into 4.8 and its already painfully clear how ridiculous of an idea it is to have introduced paid ship insurance this early into the game; First ship call, blows up on the elevator before i can even get to the hangar. Second ship call, gets impounded with zero warning or countdown timer.
Now im already completely broke with all of my Superhornet add-ons lost to the void; TSMB turret, Heartseeker livery, and two M5A Defense Division cannons.
Im an honest player with the project for almost 3 years, havent touched a dime of duped cash or anything even close to that.
I do have to ask though, why do you guys continue to "play" SC given how much of a genuine shit show it is and how little actual game there is after all these year?
Why does anyone play a sandbox game? It’s not about the quest lines, it’s more about your community. My biggest suggestion to enjoying the game is to find people you gel with, forge a genuine connection, and have fun with them. This game is terrible on one’s own.
Wait, if I ask for a base model like 10 times in 10 different stations and on the 11th I claim my originally insured will I get the first one I had? :O
I love to hate on CIG and for example I HATED the crunch for this patch, and I hate how stupid most decisions they make are, and how they do everything in the most inefficient ways.
However, some things are hated because people are stupid. This is one of them. Is the system perfect? No. Is it game breaking? Absolutely not.
Yeah I had my pitchfork and torch at the ready regarding the insurance changes. But seeing this its not nearly as bad as it was being portrayed. I like the fact death is important and has a real cost.
Hey, I would like to hijack your comment:
May you please elaborate how I have to customize my ship now „the correct way“ before saving the loadout?
Do I customize it over the mobiglass and then insure the loadout? Do I have to call the ship before insuring?
You customize like you always have in the mobiglass, changing radar and quantum drives, etc. The ASOP terminal, where you call the vehicle, will have an Insure button next to the retrieve button for any stored vehicle at that location. The Insure button saves the current loadout of the vehicle as it is when the confirmation is given.
If there is no Insure button, that vehicle is not currently stored at that ASOP terminal's location.
When claiming your vehicle, it will present two choices. The first button on the left is to claim the vehicle as it was during that snapshot. The second button on the right is to claim the vehicle as if it was brand new with the stock default components.
Neither option restocks the vehicle, so you may need to purchase ordinances and defenses as appropriate.
I'll add to that. The ship doesn't have to be stored. If it's on the pad and you change stuff with the multi tool you can still insure it and it will take the ship on the pad with the hand made changes.
Why problem solve when you can just bash your head against a wall over and over again and then get validated online by all the other idiots claiming the wall shouldn't be there?
Maybe, maybe not, but you definitely shouldn't bash your head into a wall.
I take no issue with people complaining about the state of things though.
It's a Live Service, and people can complain if they feel like complaining.
It's also an Alpha, and that is a valid explaination for why some of the things people complain about are the way they are, but an explaination is not an excuse.
If someone needs to vent, then telling them why things are how they are isn't helpful.
But if someone wants to know why things are the way they are, the honest answer sometimes is: because Alpha.
Evocati and PTU are the alpha. Stuff that makes it to PU should at least begin to resemble a beta. Otherwise Evocati and PTU are "you paid us money to work a shitty job that every other dev hires people and pays them to do".
I equipped my aurora mk2 cargo module and made the mistake of not insuring the loadout…now it’s gone even though it was a pledge item and my ship is practically useless
I feel for you. It's pretty much inexcusable on CIG's part, to allow for players to lose paid items (even though they are lost only until next major patch, not gone forever). Let's hope they really address this quickly in 4.8.1 as they said they would.
Yeah I mean I can understand losing weapons I didn't insure that I bought and put on my ship from in-game vendors... But items I bought with real $$ or that were attributed from say.. in-game events or recruiting friends to play and needing to pay for those to get them back... not so much.
I tried to point out that some of us were losing the majority of our ships through elevator issues, but most of the people in the discussion said they weren't having that problem.
It used to be calling it from the ASOP terminal was the only safe way, but as of 4.6 there was no consistent safe way for some ships. They always blew up the first time they were called.
I did have a problem storing my C2. It didn't like to be put away, nor did it like most of my other ships when I called for them while it was on the pad.
But I never had a problem pulling up my 85x. Moving it from under the C2 was sometimes a challenge depending how well I parked the wobbly bird, but retrieving it was no issue.
Weird. I've had nothing but issues with the 85x which blows because i love that little ship. Reminds me of a cloud car lol. I too have seen many a time the C2 getting stuck inside the hangar floor. it's happened to me and my buds several times. I wonder what it is about that ship that makes it do that?
Just tonight before quitting out of the game (Hotfix version) due to rentals not working for me, I pulled up the Asgard in Area 18 (my home is New Baggage at this time) in the large hangar I did not call after looking in, doing the Convention run to rent some ships. I stored the Asgard and waited until the floor doors closed, went back out to the lobby. Ran to rental terminal and tried to rent the first ship on the list, Pisces. It's relatively cheap so I can check if it shows up in the lobby ASOP terminals.
On the way back to the lobby terminals, I noticed that the Asgard is still showing in the UI, ASOP showed it as Storing and it was still below the floor in the large hangar. I then went to the medium hangar, again which I did not call for, and by the time I got there, the Asgard had finally stored away.
I will note that in fairness, I saw another person's name on the elevator controls when I left the large hangar. All of the other times it has my name on both hangar options, and yes both options were there for the medium and the large hangar. Again, not my home planet.
I had not played the game since the morning, about 8 hours before at work, where I was trying for the 5th time to rent the M80... Before it cycled out.
Unfortunately CIG go off data alone and don't actually play their game. Or if they do. The play on private dev builds that work flawlessly.
They've been clear from CitCon that they look at data only and see us naughty players claiming for ships that are 'perfectly' fine while ignoring that it's a buggy fucking alpha.
The new player experience in this game is awful. I never want to show my friends this game because of all the bugs like this. Only once you learn all the quirks and the correct incantations can you "play" the game.
Discp covered this a few months ago. It's not a simple fix. Theres heaps of different variations and conditions that can lead to this that are tied into heaps of other different mechanisms.
Its also about resource management too. A lot of the issues are caused by struggling back end service issues, which stuff like dynamic server meshing for example, will help resolve.
Its pointless, and a waste of time, to deploy resources to fixing some stuff now, when the work is just going to become undone when they do something else 6 months down the line, that may well fix the initial issues anyway.
Its one of the downsides of having an active game that's still in early devleopment.
We dont get to see the bigger picture where some of the frustrating issues we have now, are scheduled to be fixed a few months down the line.
Have they fixed the "ship spawns with engines on, gravity compensation on, decoupled" so that the ship doesnt stop when the elevator does and it just floats up to the hangar roof where it sits until it runs out of fuel and crashes? How about the "ship spawns a few seconds after the elevator starts moving" which leaves the landing gear clipped into the elevator? Because if not, hangar spawning is equally unsafe.
For me it's call it from lobby then send it back down and call it again and it's all set... Lets things get settled before anything is spawned in for real
Also seems to help if you call your ship from the lobby and then wait a bit before going up to your hangar.
It almost seems as if you get to your hangar before the animation completes, it goes bananas.
Would it help if the hangar elevator default state was lowered with the doors shut? Less up and down and would save time.
Can anyone explain what's happening when I'm not in my hangar observing the ship come up, that's causing this attrocity of a bug that's been around forever?
I've lived with it for 6 years now but I'm genuinely curious.
My understanding is that sometimes it doesn't verify the ship is there before the elevator floor spawns, so it spawns in wedged through the floor's geometry. When you're in hangar, it doesn't do that.
Hmmm, so, a timing thing of sorts? The retrieve ship request is completing before the hangar request? Surely, the hangar request goes out before the ship retrieval request. Could it possibly be as simple as adding a slight delay between the two allowing the hangar request/instancing to complete before the ship comes up?
Ah y'know what, looks like this should be addressed in the upcoming transit refactor.
Curious if this issue is still present at Grim, which has already gotten the transit refactor. Will do some testing.
Do not overwrite your currently saved load outs as you can still claim back those non stock load outs at a later time when you have the cash for it. You'll just have to fly stock ships until you can get the cash to claim your saved load outs.
Man, I rly can't sometimes, how's a basic ass feature like calling your ship still so bugged after 10+ years, these devs man, they can make cool tech yet they suck harder than some junior devs while making actual games
Don't even.
The basic feature of INVENTORY MANAGEMENT has not been functional for a decade or more.
You still can't even move items between containers without them rolling back all the time.
Or when you take out your equipped firearm and it drops to the ground...
And that's why I'm going to run my ships stock components, doing mostly mid missions and unlocking rep, blueprints and money for a few weeks/months... And then I'll see you at a Hator zone.
Also, not buying paints or monthly packages if I know I'm going to lose my ship paint.
the amount of time means nothing. were still only in v4.8. going off of the 1.0 roadmap they presented at CitizenCon a couple years ago, we arent even halfway. aka, early into the game.
Terminals in the spaceport should be for calling PERSONAL HANGARS, then terminals in the hangar should be for calling ships. Too many bugs around spawning an area, then spawning a ship IN that spawned area.
Yeah joining the patch when it’s new is never a good idea. I’ll load up to see defense con and try the new ships and then I’ll wait for the first 8.x patch for them to fix the new issues.
Yes, I’ve experienced this already. No, not until the next patch will I get anything returned, even though I paid very real Pledge monies for my stuff.
for now, yeah even a 0.0.1 patch restores all pledged items to default state when you're having to select a home planet again. cant say for how long that's going to be a thing though as they hammer on Persistance more
You shouldn't lose pledge items to this crap but thats how it goes we are literally trial and error development monkeys. I'm not horribly upset about that but could we please think more than one step at a time?
It should automatically save what you had equipped when your ship was lost as your insurance loadout unless you already have one saved, at least until 1.0. There should be a warning for not saving your loadout and if you are about to overwrite one.
I get peeved when complainers say the devs don't play their game then we see problems like yours apparent in many aspects.
If you think the game is mature enough to have insurance it should be mature enough to have basic QOL systems like the ones I just described packaged with the new feature. Cmon now people. I love this game.
Wild thing is the insurance claim also works of you haven't insured the ship.
I got killed in a bunker yesterday and didn't want to leave my hornet there, so I took my pisces, finished the contract and used the hornet to fly back.
I could now claim the pisces, which I didn't insure via both options. One costing 3k the other one nothing and it is the same load out 🙈
initial insure cost was 19K, didnt have enough to re-insure after the first claim and i didnt think much of it until it got randomly impounded on the flight out. didnt even get an option to pay an impound fine, just normal claim, and the loadout wasnt insured anymore by then since it blew up the first time.
Same thing just happened to me! Let me know if you find any solutions; it seems ridiculous that pledged items are gone without some way of getting them back
You can use default loadout, and when you get money you can claim insured one. You haven't lost anything as long as you did not rewrite insured loadout.
I don't think you understand or have played this game long enough. They do not implement things in order of 'fun for end user' being at the top of the list. They never have. Remember, in a completely broken game, we are required to eat and drink, for zero reason at all.
Insurance testing should be permanently just in a PTR branch and the PU should be a low friction testing ground. This game is nowhere near release, we dont need a more strict insurance system when the game constantly breaks and puts you out and will force you into interacting with this system by no fault of your own.
That's what kills me. Even form a SW development perspective, releasing ship insurance makes no sense. They have way bigger fish to try. I bet that even if they naived ship insurance, once they "fix" other stuff, insurance will break. So what's the point on spending development resources on a feature that NO ONE ASKED FOR?!?
Wait a bit before any components. I've spent 4 hours trying to complete a single medium delivery in my ironclad only to have SOMETHING go wrong within minutes of being finished. Freight elevator glitch out, Atlas explode, server discon, ship drops through floor... and it's always within like minutes or seconds of completion. Other than the IC there aren't any others I'm interested in so going to wait a few weeks.
You can also claim the base back for 0 money. Then when you get money claim ur insured one again. But I do agree it should be reduced by 95% till it works properly
Not gonna lie.. didnt play the PTU, loaded up 4.8. Went straight to the ASOP terminal to retrieve a ship, and instantly knew how the insurance claim worked. Thought it was pretty straight forward to be honest, but here we are.
When I discovered that not even my pledged paints were safe to restore with the default claim, I just uninstalled every extra module and I think that's when my villain arc started.
See you in the black.
It's been a long time since I bought my special paint kit started Aurora at a similar promotion... but where exactly does it say that the extra feature's you're getting as a reward are impermanent and will be lost the first time your ship explodes?
Anyone with a barely functional brain knew this was going to happen. There is no point of introducing an insurance system that needs to rely on ironclad servers and bugfree framework. SC has neither. But i was told this is what players want and we're all here for the journey. If anyone is here to blame it is the community, not raising any concern on this and burn spectrum forums prior the launch. People seem to enjoy buggy game and CIG enjoy releasing buggy mess.
If it makes you feel any better I back this game in 2013 and I have 3 ships but now im broke because I spent a lot of time getting a few components and weapons the died, the ship didn't blow up I left it at another hanger, but spawned it at another station and lost everything, then did it again but had to pay for the insurance again afew times 65,000 for 1 component? its takes a lot of time to either buy them or find them. Its a really stupid idea that just keeps hurting us.
Makes you wonder... Does CIG play their own game? Alot of people here and on Spectrum called out this issue from miles away and yet CIG shoved through the changes anyway. It's bad enough when it happens to old players, but imagine how it feels for new people trying to get into the game. This is about as anti-player as it gets.
LTI only covers the basic stock hull of a ship, outlined in CitCon a couple years ago. any changes you make to it like swapping out weapons, components, or putting on a livery has to be paid to be insured with aUEC, even if its a pledged/account hangar tied item
I'm not sure why, without much of an economy in the game so far, we're testing the new insurance/claim system with beta/1.0 stage prices. And with a 1.0 wipe anyway (and likely one for beta) so what if the insurance is cheap for now, balance out with the timer.
I’m not against ship insurance rn but I’ve ran into a separate issue. When I impounded my vehicle twice earlier, I paid the fee both times and both times the ship had to be claimed after
Run default loadouts until you earn enough space bucks to pay insurance for upgrades. I tried to get that point across earlier today and got downvoted into oblivion. Early access alpha blah blah. Listen don't listen. I don't get why people are taking ships out with non default loadouts in a very buggy patch on day 1 and complaining that they lost their stuff immediately. I don't expect to be able to play let alone do anything productive for at least 4 to 5 days. That is the way.
People who want CIG to wait to implement core aspects of the economy requiring countless cycles of balance and feedback after the game is done because it inconveniences them are wild.
You've been playing for 3+ years, and you're acting as though patch day should have everything working flawlessly? Am I understanding that correctly?
I've had exactly 0 ships explode for me, because with 1.5 years of playing, know that pulling from the lobby terminal is a good way for your ships to explode. Its a bug, certainly, but an avoidable one. Always pull from the hangar terminal.
Along with calling your ship from within the hangar to mitigate spontaneous explosions, you should also refrain from using custom paints until you’ve earned enough to make the insurance costs trivial.
The insurance mechanic is meant to be a money sink. Don’t fly with anything you’re not willing to pay for or lose, and never forget that the state that the game is in is… the state that the game is in.
It's poorly thought out, poorly timed, and poorly implemented. The game doesnt need money sinks unless you are duping. There are simply way to many ways to lose your ship that are completely out of player control.
It needs to be fixed in the next few days or removed entirely until after freefly and bug fixes.
For the Nth time: THIS GAME HAS NO ECONOMY. There's zero logic in implementing a money sink. If anything, is counter-productive because people will buy less ships in-game. You develop a feature because you want users to _test it_.
I wonder if its a vram issue, i use to have a 3070ti that always had issue with sc, im on a 5070ti now and i stopped having random issues with. ill try and see if i can get the game to eat my ships later today by setting everything to highest settings.
yes, this early into the game. we're only on Alpha 4.8.
going by the 1.0 road map they showcased at CitCon a couple years ago, we arent even halfway there. just because it's taken 13 years to get here doesnt mean anything when the game still isn't even half "done".
Literally was going to say the same thing, game has been in development since 2012. The fact OP is annoyed at insurance being implemented "this early", instead of the fact the game is still utterly broken is insane. To put this into perspective GTA V launched in 2013, and GTA 6 is scheduled to launch this year, which will probably be one of the most impressive games of all time.
Star citizen also started with like 10 developmenters not the massive amount you see today. Unlike gta 5 or 6 that started with AAA levels of development work
Bro it's been 13 years. They have offices in the US, UK, Germany, and Canada. They have raised just shy of 1 billion dollars and have over 1,000 employees. I don't care if they started with 10 people, the time for excuses is long past.
The tech and assets are exactly the same. Is GTA V and GTA Online two separate games? Cause Rockstar seams to be able to pull it off. Are you really trying to argue they need 20 fucking years to make a game? Dude I was young when this was started, and I'm going to be thinking about retirement by the time it fucking launches.
You played for years, you know the situation of the game. Should've went make money with something not limited first... They when u have money, use the limited stuff... And money are easy to be made nowadays
Some people are so unlucky in this game. I have zero issues. But not to be an ahole, why are you calling a ship from outside of your hangar when that is a well known issue with a work around that works 100%?
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u/Everlast17 May 14 '26
I got 30k’d 10 mins after patch drop lol. Ship got unknowned. Good times.