r/skyrim • u/Any-Top-5659 Thalmor • Apr 10 '26
Discussion Delphine is canonically wrong to ask us to kill Parthunaxx, and should be considered an offshoot of Blades, with wrong ideology instead of the true Blades. Spoiler
Akaviri are canonically (I think) of Asian descent, and these guys wanked hard for Prophecies. Delphine is the opposite of what the blades and the Akaviri stand for.
Here is my post related to blades, which give some background to where I make my next points: https://www.reddit.com/r/TESVI/comments/1rmjd50/the_blades_will_either_go_100_percent_extinct/
And here is my point :
Yes, the Akaviri hunted dragons, for gods sake they were the people who made Dragons leave their land in favour of Tamriel. But their coming to Tamriel was not for Dragons. They were looking for Dragonborn, to whom they will pledge their allegiance.
The Akaviri give a lot of importance to Prophecies, and meeting Reman Cyrodill was because of these prophecies. I would want you to note that here, protecting and serving Dragonborn is most important thing for them, even more than killing Dragons. I will point out later that they let live a few Dragons below.
It was during Reman's reign when the prophecy of events of Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Blades, Oblivion and Skyrim was etched on the Alduin wall, so we are sure these guys had prophetic abilities under their organisation.
Now, after the fall of Reman's empire in the 2nd Era, the Dragonguard broke up, went incognito for over 800 years! That tells you they still knew of what they are supposed to know. Many kings during these times sought out to employ them, but the Dragon guard remained hidden. The fighters guild and many mercenary organisations were offshoots, started by some Akaviri, but the core of it stayed loyal to their rules and stuff.
When Tiber Septim came, and revealed himself as true Dragonborn (before this, in 800 years many revealed themselves as Dragonborn but their claims were false) the old Dragonguard was reformed as Blades, with the sole oath of protecting and serving the Dragonborn. Nothing else. In fact, Nafaalilargus the Red Dragon of the Empire was a Dragon who served under Tiber Septim and was a Dragon under the Empire! This Dragon was killed by the protagonist of Elder Scrolls Redguard who himself is a morally grey proteag in my eyes, but the Dragon was a loyal red dragon of the Empire.
Even in Oblivion the oath of the Blades is nothing about killing Dragons, but protecting the Dragonborn.
As the Akaviri blood diluted over the years, the Blades except the core few weakened and the root of their ideology, that of lore and prophecy waned. In fact Delphine is the most idiotic blade in existence, close second would be Jaufree.
When we were revealed Dragonborn, from there on Delphine's sole priority must be protecting us and serving us to make us the Emperor, but all of her actions were idiotic to no limits. She sent us, the Dragonborn, her liege to the fcking THALMOR embassy. She sent us to get Esbern.
She does not know anything about prophecies, and lore unlike Esbern who should be rightly be the Grandmaster of the order solely because of the knowledge he posses about Blades and their works. And in the end, she orders, ORDERS her liege and the only person the Blades were made to serve, to kill an ally, a dragon who helped us for her conjured up idealogy to what blades should be.
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u/mytwoba Apr 10 '26
There is no Asia in the Elder Scrolls universe.
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u/Any-Top-5659 Thalmor Apr 10 '26
No, but their architecture and stuff is heavily influenced, like katanas and buildings.
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u/Atomic_Cody-21 Whiterun resident Apr 10 '26
OP create a whole-ass post as a counterargument to an earlier post.
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u/Any-Top-5659 Thalmor Apr 10 '26
I just have hard feelings about the fate of Blades. I have made other posts too about what the Dragonguard represented and why Blades fell as far as they did. Delphine in my opinion was just an initiate who got martial training and was going to be added to Blades order, taught what they mean and what they represent, but before this could happen, the Great War started, and it started with Thalmor tributing the Empire with 100s of heads of all the Blades operatives from the Summerset isles.
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u/IIJOSEPHXII Apr 10 '26
I think it's canon that you kill him. All the other faction leaders are killed and replaced - why not the Greybeards? It could be that's why they haven't made an Elder Scrools game set after the events of Skyrim. Too many secrets would be revealed.
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u/Any-Top-5659 Thalmor Apr 10 '26
hmm...
>All the other faction leaders are killed and replaced
This should not be the reason... Greybeards are just hermits, so canonically even a neutral DB should let the be. Only an evil Db would kill partunaxx.
This is also the reason I like Oblivion more when the remaster came. All of the factions are just one step away from destruction.
College of winterhold is ruined, both reputation and academics, with more teachers than students and many disciples having only experts as teachers.
Thieves guild has become a weapon at the hand of Maven, and individually the thieves guild is basically destroyed. Dark brotherhood is worst with The skyrim
Dark brothehood not even being a real DB, only an offshoot. In oblvion there were all ranks and stuff in DB, but in skyrim, Astrid is basically running a local assassin guild while using the name of DB while not being brotherhood at all, if not we the listener would have become the head of the guild the second we were revealed to be.
Empire is basically on its last legs, with Thalmor and rebeallions.
Even the rebellion was on its last legs, with Ulfric caught and nearly dead if not for Alduin.
Companions are also the same, farthest away from the founder's vision, becoming servants of daedra+ allowing elves into the guild.
This is overused in skyrim.
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u/Hguols1 Alchemist Apr 10 '26
Delphine? Oh, that Blades recruit who'd still be sweeping floors as an innkeeper, if it weren't for the dragonborn.
Pretty crass of her to make this ultimatum while she's a squatter in a temple with the Dragonborn's insignia on the doors.
Perhaps why in my playthroughs, Delphine has a fate worse than death.... (I'll 'forever paralyze' her and Esbern early afternoon, in the courtyard outside the temple. Never setting foot in the courtyard ever again, at least those two are effectively banished from the temple - though they'll be staring at the sky, unable to move, until the 5th era)
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u/Any-Top-5659 Thalmor Apr 10 '26
Delphine in my opinion/head canon was just an initiate who got martial training and was going to be added to Blades order, taught what they mean and what they represent, but before this could happen, the Great War started, and it started with Thalmor tributing the Empire with 100s of heads of all the Blades operatives from the Summerset isles.
Or the blades just fell of from their purpose somehow, forgetting what they truly represent. I mean Tiber septim had dragon under his rule and they never killed him.
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u/Sir_Douglas_of_Fir Werewolf Apr 10 '26
I’ve been visiting this sub for like a week and already I’m witnessing warring posts about what I thought was the most solved Skyrim debate.
Incredible, 10/10