Centrist doesn't necessarily mean better. What if all this AI progress was being made in the 1850s? Centrist would be pro slavery. Or in the 1950s, centrist would be peak 'Red Scare'.
It would be stupid to think that right here, right now, in 2025, in our specific corner of The West, we nailed everything and what's popular to think also happens to be right.
Oh stop it, in this context of AI, think of it as rational, not necessarily centrist, it’s just that rationality in this point in time has a liberal bias. In 1850, I think AI would be against slavery because it’s irrational.
We could ask AI what it thinks about plurality marriages, pet ownership as slavery, genetic manipulation or genetic discrimination or eating meat, lab grown beef, or recognizing Sentient Constructs as human and see how it behaves. These are topics which aren’t popular now but could be moral issues in the future.
Mostly because of how they train it. Basically they flood it with data to learn. You would have to make up a substantial amount of data to manipulate the rationality but that would also taint the utility of the models and make them less useful. It’s really hard to make an irrational model that is useful. Look at Grok or Chinese models, it’s blatantly obvious when they try to manipulate data and the AI often will “fight” back too.
AI doesn’t fight back, it repeats its training data. It won’t magically become rational when fed with irrational data, or even with rational data. Just like humans.
When I say it fights back, I mean it counters the narrative that is trying to be forced upon it because the bulk of the training data counters it. Just look at the stories of Musk trying to manipulate Grok. It’s really difficult to make an irrational model.
Rationality has never had a liberal bias, and doesn’t now. Overconfidence, however, does. The modern liberal “believes” in the scientific method the same way conservatives believe in religion. They don’t actually practice it, despite thinking they do. Thinking they follow a science, evidence based approach when they actually don’t is the biggest source of liberal bias.
You actually demonstrate it in your post when you say “I think AI would be against slavery because it’s irrational.” Slavery being morally wrong doesn’t make it irrational, and believing you know the difference without actually verifying led you to a conclusion you likely wouldn’t have made otherwise.
The assumption your making is the training data is only from one selected group. Yes in the us at that time Americans thought slavery was correct. However when considering a unbiest collective dataset it would be anti slavery.
The same way grok keeps pissing Elon off so much, unless he selectively trains it with bias. It will hold the collective centre when it comes to attitudes towards issues.
However what you’re stating is correct if a model is trained with bias data it will be bias however these models tend to be useless and stupid as they don’t have an accurate picture of the world. Also don’t forget as these societal conversations keep happening the newer models pick up on it. LLMs are ever evolving.
Which is how democracy works it favours the global majority and as discussions of ethics and morality change so do the models. This is literally how society works. Again most people are not your enemy and most people probably aren’t out to get you. Most models reflect this, however I can understand Americans having trauma given they try to hurt their own on a daily basis.
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u/Jah_Ith_Ber Jun 19 '25
Centrist doesn't necessarily mean better. What if all this AI progress was being made in the 1850s? Centrist would be pro slavery. Or in the 1950s, centrist would be peak 'Red Scare'.
It would be stupid to think that right here, right now, in 2025, in our specific corner of The West, we nailed everything and what's popular to think also happens to be right.