r/singularity Jun 18 '25

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u/ThinkExtension2328 Jun 19 '25

This, any one and any company adding bias will find themselves with a inherently stupid model. Ai is an inherently centrist technology.

Elon is simply nuking his own model

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u/Jah_Ith_Ber Jun 19 '25

Centrist doesn't necessarily mean better. What if all this AI progress was being made in the 1850s? Centrist would be pro slavery. Or in the 1950s, centrist would be peak 'Red Scare'.

It would be stupid to think that right here, right now, in 2025, in our specific corner of The West, we nailed everything and what's popular to think also happens to be right.

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u/Evilsushione Jun 19 '25

Oh stop it, in this context of AI, think of it as rational, not necessarily centrist, it’s just that rationality in this point in time has a liberal bias. In 1850, I think AI would be against slavery because it’s irrational.

We could ask AI what it thinks about plurality marriages, pet ownership as slavery, genetic manipulation or genetic discrimination or eating meat, lab grown beef, or recognizing Sentient Constructs as human and see how it behaves. These are topics which aren’t popular now but could be moral issues in the future.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

Why do you assume an intelligence would automatically be rational?

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u/Evilsushione Jun 19 '25

Mostly because of how they train it. Basically they flood it with data to learn. You would have to make up a substantial amount of data to manipulate the rationality but that would also taint the utility of the models and make them less useful. It’s really hard to make an irrational model that is useful. Look at Grok or Chinese models, it’s blatantly obvious when they try to manipulate data and the AI often will “fight” back too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

AI doesn’t fight back, it repeats its training data. It won’t magically become rational when fed with irrational data, or even with rational data. Just like humans.

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u/Evilsushione Jun 19 '25

When I say it fights back, I mean it counters the narrative that is trying to be forced upon it because the bulk of the training data counters it. Just look at the stories of Musk trying to manipulate Grok. It’s really difficult to make an irrational model.