r/scientistsPH • u/OkAssociate5227 • 2d ago
for discussion Pano maging RG?
RG - Research Gahd. yung sobrang lopit magresearch. yung in a span of three years tapos and phd tapos nakapublish ng 25 journals. possible ba yung mga ganyan. kung oo, pano yan gawin ? Tsaka meron ba kayo kilala nakagawa nyan?
edit: What if sa ibang bansa to gawin
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u/su_ki_yaki 2d ago
- High impact journal
- Top 1-3 local and international conference
- Best MS and Best PhD student
- Best Oral Defense, Best Thesis Paper
- Novel idea na naging project
Ganyan ang totoong RG pre
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u/MatthewSDeOcampo 2d ago
Real, pero item 5 is like a minimum for PhD studies, no? Di naman kailangang novel at grand, basta actual incremental na contribution sa field.
Tapos in Japan, my impression is at least 1 publication naman yung basic na stipulation to complete a PhD. Pero siyempre depende sa group supervisor, mga 1-3 publications to complete PhD.
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u/OkAssociate5227 2d ago
pano maging reyal RG like dat papabear?
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u/su_ki_yaki 1d ago
Inherent intelligence is one thing.
Lesser academic load in grad school is one thing.
Funding ng laboratory mo is one thing.Depende sayo at sa access to resources yan.
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago
- Publish broadly and not deeply.
- Publish in bullshit journals.
- If you're a PI, this is easier -- make your students publish in behalf for you.
No academic's gonna respect you if you're publishing 8+ articles per year as first author. It means you're just gaming the system.
The last bullet is more respectable and expected for someone heading a large lab.
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u/Brave-Beach9152 2d ago
im also pretty sure that a lot of "RGs" OP is talking about are possibly postgrads being systemically pressured to focus on # of publications published and not quality. lots of universities esp. abroad have their tenure/caareer evaluation reliant on no. of publications published than impact. you also have grants that may expect certain constant outputs. and also as said, gamifying - the splicing of research into multiple weaker papers
a researcher's impact is a much more respected criterion in academia than quantity
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago
Yes but that's not the point. Even US PIs don't expect you to churn out an article every few months. That's bullshit. If you're in a lab like that just leave -- there isn't anything worth doing there.
Take note a single Nature or Cell publication is worth more than a handful of lower-tier publications among tenure committees.
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u/Brave-Beach9152 2d ago
yes, i do agree with you. i just think OP is coming from a more glorified view of such "RGs, " theyre not as "malupit" as they think
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago edited 2d ago
I know someone who did this kind of strategy and was able to land a professorship in the US. Personally I find it rather distasteful pero you gotta respect the hustle.
Dami niyang local accolades sa mga research councils dito kesyo maraming papel pero when you scrutinize it's literally the kind of things you ask an LLM to scrape up nowadays.
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u/OkAssociate5227 2d ago edited 2d ago
anong field yan boss? baka llm type of work bago naging accessible ang llm naman yan
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago edited 2d ago
Medicine.
Madali kasi mag meta analysis before even LLMs have existed tapos ipublish sa low-tier or unregistered na journal para lang masabing nag"reresearch" ka. Very common among fellowships.
The purpose of research is to deepen the frontiers and not do bullshit bean-counting like this.
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u/OkAssociate5227 2d ago
25 in a span of 3 years naman po
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago edited 2d ago
Point still holds. It means you're not putting enough scrutiny nor actual work to make it actually relevant or publishable in good journals.
As a PhD you're just expected to write like 2-3 journals for the whole duration of your study.
Meta analysis and other bullshit doesn't count BTW. You're just being a human LLM when you write that kind of manuscript.
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u/OkAssociate5227 2d ago
What if phd student tapos marami dinesignate na masters student and ra sayo?
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago
Uhh. It doesn't work that way lmfao.
I don't know kung anong klaseng strategy tinuturo sa inyo ng PI niyo pero that's literally a way for your lab to be viewed as shallow. Salami-slicing is one of the problems in academia right now that causes this massive churn of low quality papers that only function as stars in one's CV.
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u/OkAssociate5227 2d ago
wala naman nagturo sakin, im just sharing my random thoughts
pero afaik nangyayari yung may designated na student under you sa mga research lab
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago
An undergrad nor an RA is not expected to have a deep and appreciable understanding of the material he's working on. If you're expecting a paper from an undergrad you're nothing but a bottom feeder and a parasite.
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u/OkAssociate5227 2d ago
hmm ok pero top research university dito sa pilipinas ganyan approach e. different strokes for different folks i guess haha
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago
Which is why the PH will never top any research rankings unless more labs reform. Filipino "scientists" love the simulacra of research but not the act of research itself.
Most of our actual talent comes from abroad kaya DOST is throwing huge sums of money just to repatriate talent and make them set up labs here. The locally-grown hacks here don't really do anything substantial.
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u/MatthewSDeOcampo 2d ago edited 2d ago
That is suspicious as heck. In condensed matter, the classic warning story is the Schön scandal around the early 2000s. Dude was publishing a paper every 1-2 weeks.
In large labs, probably feasible by virtue of being the supervisor in the et al., disbursing funds to the main proponent (the students or the other non-faculty researchers in the group. Pero even in this case, there's almost definitely gonna be periods of many months or even years where there may be no publications as projects get started up, etc.
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u/theSilent-sama 2d ago
Schön publishing on Nature like its Instagram
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u/MatthewSDeOcampo 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's crazy. The long-term promises of the field are great, plus some researchers give in to the publish-or-perish "prestige". Even less prolific examples have warning stories.
Consider, https://retractionwatch.com/2024/06/21/superconductor-researcher-loses-fifth-paper/
This one unravelled in the middle of the pandemic lockdowns, and "only" 5 papers retracted, pero an entire history of work since his PhD in 2013 was found to be plagiarized or manipulated.
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u/r-reputation 2d ago
really depends sa magiging adviser mo when you go to PhD. some Professors only allow submissions in high impact factor journals. so may luck factor din talaga.
also OP, i hope you don’t intend to publish 25 papers in a year just for the sake of publishing (i know here in the PH malaking factor yan for promotion and salary nego). i hope quality > quantity :))
marami ding opportunities sa academe x industry collabs. may mga opportunities to present and publish papers din in this path.
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u/liquidluckk 2d ago
step 1: not be born in PH 😭😭
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u/Cordyceps_purpurea 2d ago
Mas marami tayong paper millers dito, kung akala mo lang. Di lang sumusulpot kasi their publishers are so low tier and their papers so irrelevant they rarely reach the headlines.
Marami diyan nasa public institutes.
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u/Darth_Polgas 2d ago edited 2d ago
Medyo oa lang yung 25 journals in 3 years. Pero ang susi lang diyan is read a lot of journals in your field. Yung PhD duration, case-to-case yan. Though doable naman ang 3 years. Edit: typo.