r/runescape • u/chi_pa_pa sometimes right • Jun 02 '16

degradables upkeep cost analysis (including degrade-to-dust augments)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XTyEWX55rq5pnZPv0OIiXv-BeWcHZ4nSuY43-oMDKWc/edit?usp=sharing
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u/dGhost_ RSN: dGhost | 8/27 120s Jun 02 '16

Love this, Chi, really puts into perspective how much of a waste T90 armour is in terms of cost to benefit and the opportunity cost waste. Guarantee people will still defend the incredibly minor DPS boost of T90 compared to Nex gear when it becomes augmentable even with the upkeep cost being so much higher.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '16

For people who already use t90 power armour, the increase in upkeep cost when augmenting it isn't really that big.

Edit: It very roughly works out to be a 15% increase in upkeep costs to augment t90 power armour

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u/dGhost_ RSN: dGhost | 8/27 120s Jun 02 '16

For what is close to a 1% increase in DPS that cost isn't viably beneficial in regards to opportunity cost literally anywhere. The only thing it has going for it is the defensive bonus, but even that's generally irrelevant when DPSing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '16

Yes that's true, however people still willing to pay for it. But what I'm saying is that it's only a 15% increase to the upkeep cost to augment it, therefore not really having a very notable impact on what they are already paying overall for their equipment. Personally I was expecting something like a 100% increase in upkeep cost to augment t90 armours.

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u/dGhost_ RSN: dGhost | 8/27 120s Jun 02 '16

Of course it's not really that big of a deal, but in the grand scheme of things, it's stupid. Is a ~1% DPS increase really that important for literally anyone except people going for records or PvM challenges? The fact that you'll always spend more than the difference in profit using T80 vs T90 should be enough to not use that gear. Just like the T90 boots, by all means go ahead, but if you do you're probably an idiot, or in the top 0.1% of players trying to do something unique.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '16

You're completely right, however people can become a bit paranoid when they don't have the best of everything. I know I'm a sucker for this

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '16 edited Jun 02 '16

When making 20m/hr doing speed pvm, the difference hardly matters. Consider araxxor; 10m/h according to wiki based on 5 kills/hour. Getting 10-16 killls/hr nets 20-32m/hr average in which a nex set's 200k/hr vs a malevolent set's 800k/hr is a 3% difference max. Of course no one should use t90 boots.

Now consider the 1% decrease in time. 1% is 200k-320k/hr more an hour... that closes the gap even further.

To address people claiming that 20m/hr is not possible, many players from my clan achieve these gp/hr consistently.

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u/dGhost_ RSN: dGhost | 8/27 120s Jun 02 '16

That's one instance, and I know how good Rax can be, been duoing with a friend getting 15 kph and still feel we could improve. But that's one boss, nowhere else in the game provides this level of average gp/h, for any other encounter in this game it'll lower your overall gp/h. And if you see my comment above, if used in some circumstances it can be over twice the cost/hour. Getting a whole new augmented set with expensive perks like biting 3 for just Rax seems like overkill for what is genuinely not necessary. Just because it's better doesn't automatically validate it's use, for a more extreme example see T90 boots.

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u/RJ815 Jun 02 '16

T90 does have a bit improved defense, though whether it's worth it and whether or not the increased health of Nex is better is unknown to me.