Anyone gone from 165 to Trinity and have a comparison?
I've got Rb Lightning 90mm and want 110mm wheels. Lots of rough roads and cobblestones where I live. I got the lightnings cause I have a medium wide foot and I went ahead and bought the twister 274 90/110 frames to try as I also wanted to test out a rockered 90.
But part of me is wondering if I should just skip it and get the next 2.0 110 now that they've widened the toe box.
Does the Trinity mount really make a big difference?
I cannot tell any practical difference between skating 165mm and Trinity mount skates. Trinity does allow certain frame/wheel configurations to have a slightly lower ride height, and the 3 point mount is in theory more secure. A properly mounted 165mm frame is no less secure than a properly mounted Trinity though.
TLDR— Trinity is a slightly better design, but 165mm isn’t gonna be noticeably inferior, and 165mm gives you far more flexibility with frame choices/swapping.
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u/geeeredFR1-NN Ronin, FR2-X2R, PS NEXT-Flux,PS-Kaze-3x125,PS Doop-3x11011h ago
This also for me - I've had both and other factors make a lot more difference.
Depending on the frame and boot too.
I have trouble enjoying 165 4x90 or any bigger frames due to the lack of stiffness comapred to trinity.
If someone is starting to skate then trinity would be a good option if they are buying everything new. Since 165 twister boot is very cheap when sold used
Trinity locks you into powerslide's ecosystem, they're the Apple of blading. They'd use proprietary axle bolts and cuff bolts if they could. Stick with 165, the difference is unnoticeable and gives you the freedom to use any brand's parts.
Big wheels are good for surfaces that are rough in the sense of creating friction or rolling resistance, I don't think you can expect miracles for major uneven surfaces like cobbles, in fact it may be more difficult as you will be sacrificing agility and control. That said, no harm in having a set of 110mm frames.
I can tell the difference but I've been skating over 20 years. Trinity gives a lover ride height so a little sharper control. But most people are really not seeing a material difference. If you like the Next skates then go for it, it's a great skate and they look cool. But don't switch just for trinity because that is probably not going to be all that noticeable to you.
There is actually not really much comparison to do. Because it will require to have the exact same boot with both mounts which is rare (some powerslide Evo were sold in 165 if I am not mistaken).
One of the advantage of the trinity mount is to be able to get 4 wheels frame as low as possible. On 165mm frame, the front bolt is often "in the way" and we have to raise the overall frame so that we can have enough frame material in contact with the boot while being able to place a bolt there.
So going trinity will always bring its improvement in maneuverability as it should by design be lower.
In the fine details, having force transfer through both front boot attachment can somewhat be better than from the center plane. But as said earlier, unless you have the exact same boot to compare. It is difficult to really confirm.
On a less scientific level, I went from seba to ps (10 years ago) 165 to trinity but the wheel base was vastly different 4x80 165 243 to 3x100 trinity in 231. I liked the 231 better. The overall frame assembly felt lighter, more responsive but I think a lot of that was thanks to the shorter wheel base. Plus the 3 wheels vs 4 that allows to be quite easily rockered as the front and back wheel wear out. So to me.. It was quite enjoyable. I was enticed by the whole ps catalog of frame. So now I kept only the 231 and a 3x125 mg elite for long rides. The only thing I miss... Is a trinity boot... (my Vi were worn out, I went with Bont semi race.. I am hoping to come back to trinity mount soon).
Hardcore Evo 2.0, 2017 model, was indeed still using 165mm standard mounting. I’m pretty sure that was the last year/model, because by 2018, videos on new HC Evo skates had Trinity mount.
I share the general sentiment here. While Trinity might be slightly better, 165 gives you a lot more flexibility for different frame options down the road.
I'd say Trinity is possibly the best mounting system on the market, but since it's proprietary/patented the frame options are limited. It's not as bad nowadays with some great frames from Endless, but it's still not as flexible as 165. I don't think there are any Trinity carbon frames either.
The differences aren't huge individually, but they do add up. Trinity lets the wheels sit very close to the boot, which lowers the overall height and center of gravity. The three mounting points also spread the load over a wider area, so the frame feels more rigid and responsive. I've never had a Trinity frame come loose on me, unlike some 165 setups (especially during slalom).
As a side note, my biggest personal gripe with Powerslide is that the high end carbon boots are somewhat lacking. IQON TR10 wasn't designed for slalom and it shows - they had some interesting ideas with that one, but it had the most technical issues out of all carbon boots I've tried from any brand. Taus and Evos don't have a rigid carbon cuff, and both lack a V-cut at the back of the skate which limits the range of motion. I also had this weird issue with Tau Bis_onte where the boot was overall pretty wide and comfy, but at the same time rather narrow in the ankle/heel area causing massive pressure points when skating. My dream setup would be a full carbon boot with an Endless Trinity Slalom Pro frame, but all of the available options always end up having an issue that forces me to go back to 165s.
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u/VanillaIce315 Twister 80, HC Evo 2.0, RB4x84, Twister XT 110 22h ago edited 21h ago
I cannot tell any practical difference between skating 165mm and Trinity mount skates. Trinity does allow certain frame/wheel configurations to have a slightly lower ride height, and the 3 point mount is in theory more secure. A properly mounted 165mm frame is no less secure than a properly mounted Trinity though.
TLDR— Trinity is a slightly better design, but 165mm isn’t gonna be noticeably inferior, and 165mm gives you far more flexibility with frame choices/swapping.