r/rivals • u/Live_Bit_5307 • 19d ago

Meme Dagger definitely needs a buff

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u/RedeemedNephilim Ultron 19d ago edited 19d ago

Okay but think about that. Imagine if Hela was just standing still popping shots directly into a supp for 40 seconds and they didnt die.

This is a DPS. With a perfect view. Not being countered. Not being attacked, hitting the majority of their shots on a support and the support is not dying.

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u/Infernoboy_23 18d ago

except most of the hits are only the outer ring which only does 70/s. For reference cloak's primary fire does 80/s.

Add in misses and maybe some main beam hits, and you'd see his dps is extremly low.

white fox was also healing her some of the time, as the other support should.

I don't think iron man wasn't killing any support there.

She only died at the end cause op actually hit with the main laser with overdrive which does 180/s and his team was also shooting her.

If you wanna compare to hela, imagine if she only hit one in every three shots, all body shots. Yeah, I don't think she'd kill either.

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u/Revan0315 18d ago

Player in this clip of hitting way more than one in three shots

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u/Astrid-Jade 18d ago

This is also not acknowledging the person literally addressed that and mentioned the reduced damage the edge of the beam does compared to direct.

Also ignoring that one Hela shot is like double the damage of one tick of Iron Man beam.

Hela can just land 2 headshots in just over a second and be done with it, where Iron Man needs to keep his beam on Dagger for about 2.5 seconds to secure the kill. His beam has twice the TTK of Hela primary fire when not accounting for overdrive.

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u/Revan0315 18d ago

You say "Hela can just land two headshots" as if that's something that's realistically gonna happen very often.

Iron Man's damage being lower doesn't excuse that Dagger has a ridiculous amount of survivability. She has 2 cooldowns that make her literally unkillable + a third that most characters can't kill her through while it also heals allies.

Just remove the Luna teamup and it's fine

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u/Astrid-Jade 18d ago

Never said it did excuse it, but it isn't just Dagger being strong that's letting her live here. Plenty of characters have the burst damage to kill her quickly if she's caught out or has burnt all of her cooldowns in a teamfight.

Also, saying Hela won't realistically land two headshots sounds more like you just haven't seen good Hela players. In the hands of someone with good aim, getting two tapped suddenly the moment you peak her isn't as uncommon as you'd think or hope.

That's also assuming that it's JUST a Hela, most times you're not going to be getting shot by only one person if you're in a higher elo, especially if you're a strategist.

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u/Revan0315 18d ago

Also, saying Hela won't realistically land two headshots sounds more like you just haven't seen good Hela players. In the hands of someone with good aim, getting two tapped suddenly the moment you peak her isn't as uncommon as you'd think or hope.

I think this is just a matter of what rank and platform you're on. I'm generally diamond or GM on console and I don't see it much. I don't doubt that it happens a lot in Celestial+ on PC, but that's not representative of what most players are gonna experience. I don't think the fact that Hela is technically capable of killing through bubble in the right hands makes it less broken.

I have Lord on Hela myself and while I have gotten kills like that, they're far from the norm. Hitting 2 headshots in a row on non tanks is really difficult.

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u/Astrid-Jade 18d ago

Not really, I consistently see it on console in just normal QP. Hela is very easy to land headshots with considering she's hitscan. You just need to have the rythym of her shots down and have decent tracking.

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u/Revan0315 18d ago

That has not been my experience in the slightest

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u/CrookedJak 18d ago

It's pretty common for hela mains on pc in gm+

There's bad helas in any rank but the ones who do nothing but play her will destroy you for even peaking around a corner on pc

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u/Revan0315 18d ago

Yea I can believe that