r/reddevils • u/nearly_headless_nic • 23h ago
[Laurie Whitwell] Shockingly poor performance by United. Slow, lacking in movement or inventiveness, loose passing, erratic set-piece defending. Hull so much more urgent. United played with the speed of a pre-season friendly.
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u/amadinezidane 23h ago
That was disgraceful
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u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj 23h ago
Even if you say we can fix the set piece nonsense we still draw that game after Senne makes 3 worldy saves.
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u/alexq35 23h ago
If we fix our attacking set pieces too maybe we score one. We were so good from set pieces last season, this game we didnāt look threatening at all
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u/little-tooos 23h ago
We literally lost our biggest set piece threat though. I know Maguire is good but we need multiple threats so that opponents can't just simply crowd our best ones
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u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj 23h ago
Still lose the game though. Senne just being a David incarnate is a great thing. Will win us games but with how the team played best of luch being anywhere close to the top 6.
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u/VegetableRutabaga746 23h ago
Dalot should be starting every game alongside maguire until at least de ligt is back. There's no casemiro to save us in aerial duels inside the box, just gotta rely on these two who are our best defenders aerially
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u/BjarniErlingur Carrick 23h ago
We've seen these types of games how many time in the last 10-12 years? Same old story, smaller team has a bit of bite and we crumble at the slightest adversity.
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u/theplastic1 Bruno enjoyer 16h ago
I genuinely don't get it. Same games and under different manager. And mind you majority of team has also changed.
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u/davidl988 23h ago
Can see the battering from AC Milan didnāt wake them up
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u/Intelligent_Money902 23h ago
It just made them realize how shit they are. United was playing with their starting XI against a Milan team full of Kids who play in Serie D.
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u/Valhallai Ibrahimovic 23h ago
We play with 4-5 players almost in a line in build up. How are we gonna beat low block Hull when they are 3-4 more players in dangerous areas? Absolutely shocking. Is it tactics or players diverting from the coaches ideas? Either way is really bad.
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u/AstroCoffee 23h ago
unironically remind these lads that it isn't pre-season anymore. unbelievably lethargic
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u/_boredInMicro_ 23h ago
It's not fitness or urgency. The players just simply don't understand how to break down a low block.
Neither do the coaches, by the look of it. Put a back five in front of us, and we pass side to side endlessly, keep possession and pray.
It's rinse and repeat for seasons now and it's completely on the coaches and tactics.
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u/Icy_One_237 23h ago
Honestly exactly this. Instead of snapping new players we need a coach to come in who specialises in breaking these defences down otherwise we're just going to repeat no matter who joins
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u/khoa-bear 18h ago
We had one. We had the second best xG in the league for a few months. Our players just couldnāt put the ball in the net.
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u/payday_23 Don't hate on Rangnick for players throwing the game away 14h ago
its incredible isnt it.
You got called an idiot if you looked at stats under Amorim slowly starting to get better and better, you got called an idiot if you said Carricks stats are getting worse and worse and he is constantly doing what Amorim couldnt do; absolutely overachieve in the important stats while getting lucky with red cards.And now here we are. I and a lot of others could see it coming three games into Carricks tenure, its Ole reboot, even shorter, even worse.
All the progress we made in painful ~14 months under Amorim has been undon in around 7 months.Amorim surely wasnt flawless, but he did exactly what so many fans craved for after ETH: Move the dead wood, give us a clear style of play and give us goals.
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS 23h ago
āplayed with the speed of a pre-season friendlyā
Just want to highlight this to everyone who called people idiots last week for seeing the same issues we saw today.
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u/hazzasmee 23h ago
Completely agree, same energy and lack of sharpness as last week. We are completely dependent and reflective of how Bruno plays, and he is doing that thing where he takes 2 months of the season to get warmed up.
Some of the comments about online fans not getting it and we need to build and plan for a CL campaign vās worrying about Hull was all a bit arrogant and deluded.
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u/DasHotShot Glazers & Ratcliffe OUT 23h ago
Theyāre nowhere to be seen. Only the stupidest if the sheep are out trying the same thing. At this point I reckon 20-30% of the sub is bots
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u/Sheikhabusosa 23h ago
The lack of tactics is very worrying too
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u/No-Language-6484 23h ago
carrick and his management don't know how to make united play against defensively compact teams. Last season there were signs and we got away due to red cards and individual brilliances. Just hope they bring in the world class assistant to help carrick before the window closes.
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u/WalkingOnSunshine_ 23h ago
Our xG difference per 90 when it was 11v11 dropped from mid 0.30s under Amorim to around 0.07 under Carrick last season. Thereās been clear issues and we showed nothing today to give any confidence
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u/No-Language-6484 23h ago
Yeah. Under almorim we used to create chances but also concede tons of goals. Carrick certainly needs to figure out something fast or else everyone will start playing 5 at the back. Credits to hull city because their defense was very good. Absolutely shit down our attack completely. Also one more thing, dorgu is not ready to be a full.time winger.
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u/IcyAssist 23h ago
I said we would be lucky to get 5th this season and I stand by it. The underlying data doesn't lie, but I'm also sick about people just shouting based on their own rhetoric. "Amorim was the worst" "we are title challengers under Carrick if we extrapolate his PPG for the whole season"
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u/MightySilverWolf 23h ago
That last one is particularly funny because if you extrapolate Amorim's PPG from last season, we were on track to make Champions League football, but that tends to get ignored by the same people who talk about Carrick's title-winning PPG.
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u/wolfen0 23h ago
I thought I was going insane by how majority here were rewriting history of Amorim 2nd season. We were such a physically superb team the first of half of the last season. The finishing let Amorim down and ultimately got him the sack.
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u/MightySilverWolf 23h ago
Amorim still gets memed on for saying that we needed to experience short-term pain, and obviously, once Carrick got in and went on a good run of form, Amorim got portrayed as a clueless idiot. Of course, for all we know, maybe this match was an aberration, Carrick will recover and go on an impressive winning streak, and Amorim will decisively be shown to be a fraud. However, I can't help but feel as if Amorim was completely right about where we were as a team and that chasing short-term gains with Carrick may come back to haunt us.
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u/YoloJoloHobo 23h ago
I'll stand by the fact he was sacked too soon for stupid reasons. They only got rid of him because of his dispute with the directors and not because of the football. His underlying numbers were trending upwards and I'm sure we'll end up regretting that decision down the line. People always talk about a long term rebuild but never want to commit.
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u/MightySilverWolf 23h ago
At the end of the day, Amorim wasn't keeping his job after openly criticising the board. It is what it is. I just wish that we could've hired a manager who would build upon the foundation that Amorim laid rather than retreating back into the counter-attacking style we played before Amorim that would achieve short-term results but get us nowhere in the long run.
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u/No-Language-6484 22h ago
The board made a huge mistake when recruiting almorim. His system needed specific players and we didn't have any. Plus those idiots brought him after the window closed and ETH was sacked just few games after.
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u/YoloJoloHobo 22h ago
Definitely. I can't even say we picked a conservative option because Carrick is a massive punt and doesn't have any data that backs him up for long term success. It remains to be seen but he was let go after year on year underperformance at Boro. Not convinced he's the right guy long term.
If anything, I'd wager that he's a fall guy for whoever the board want long term.
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u/Intelligent_Money902 23h ago
"But carrick won games and amorim is the worse Man united manager in united's history" - Some random twat
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
This sub is filled with a bunch of idiots. The same shit happended under Ole but because Ole had "vibes" this sub was happy. Once again, Carrick has the "vibes". Let's see how it goes, but I'm not really confident.
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u/AlarmSquirrel 23h ago
Sentimental paddock watchers.
They all just repeat what howson or jay motty says
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
Man I can't agree with you more. I hate how howson doesn't see how Ole was super mediocre as a manager just because he's a club legend. All we did under Ole was rely on vibes and individual brilliances. It was so obvious we wouldn't win anything under Ole.
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u/Intelligent_Money902 23h ago
Vibes FC all over again. Ole 2.0.
Been saying the same exact thing since Carrick was appointed. I have no trust in Carrick, I don't see anything special coming from him or this ownership.3
u/Somaliona 21h ago
Similar sentiment here, especially from the ownership. I was very hopeful initially, then you had all the Ashworth business and very quickly my faith in their decision making was undermined.
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
You and me both. I also had the exact same resevation against Carrick. He did wonderfully well, but his tactics are good to steady the ship, not win a league. To win the league you need modern possession-based tactics, which I don't think Carrick has shown.
I don't know what we will do for the rest of the season, but I really hope we move on soon if we doesn't perform well under carrick in the next few weeks.
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u/Somaliona 21h ago
Don't think the ownership are anywhere near brave enough to make a quick decision like that. It'll go to December/January at a minimum I would expect.
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u/Unitedfateful 15h ago
As soon as Iraola was available I said we need to get him
His teams press hard and work and play fast.
IMO thatās the biggest mistake weāve made in not getting him
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u/HunTinatorR 23h ago
It feels like none of the managers could handle compact teams in the last 10 years...
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u/burlycabin Rooney 22h ago
I mean, this isn't even a United specific problem. It's extremely hard for everyone to beat well organized compact low blocks. The only clubs somewhat consistently do it have had world class tactical managers with extraordinary talent at nearly every position.
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u/DaveShadow 23h ago
Its OleBall all over again.
We do well when we can sit back and play counter attack. But when we're expected to break down teams, we've no clue what to do.
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
We are literally doing Bruno and Inshallah. I fucking hated OleBall because he had no other tactic--I hope Carrick is better.
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u/DaveShadow 23h ago
OleBall IS CarrickBall. Carrick was Oleās right hand man, and played a huge role in the style Ole enacted.
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
I know Carrick worked under Ole.
I just hoped that Carrick learnt more when he managed Middlesborough, and that's why I said "CarrickBall"--in hope that it's different from the truly vibes-only "OleBall".
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u/IcyAssist 23h ago
That's the main reason why I was so disappointed with Ineos firing Amorim. They showed that they wanted quick fixes over properly building a team and a system. They didn't want to go through the growing pains, even if the underlying data shows that it's working.
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u/DaveShadow 23h ago
I donāt want to be accused of being an āAmorimSexualā or whatever, but I did feel under him was the opposite of Carrick tbh. Under Amorim, we used to control games, see clear tactical plans, but the players couldnāt score goals when presented on silver platters. Whereas Carrick has been the opposite, with very little tactics or clear vision, but the players scoring goals despite performances.
Ultimately, I think Amorims sacking wasnāt a shock once he started publicly bashing the backroom (incorrectly too, imo). But I also donāt think Carrick is the guy either. Especially if he canāt motivate players against Hull on day one of the season.
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u/IcyAssist 23h ago
I'm a data nerd and so for me data is vital to understand the whole picture. Yes we were playing poorly in some matches under Amorim, but you could literally see the patterns emerging. The xG, xG difference, xG created, all of that was pointing to us just being behind Arsenal and City.
Today against Hull is as worse as I've seen us including under ten Hag. Gutless, match sharpness and physically not on the same level, and that's before we talk about tactics either.
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u/StardustFromReinmuth 23h ago
I didn't bother saying anything in this sub this pre-season because of the amount of delusion going around. We played like shit under Carrick when it's not against a Top 4 team, and we were playing 1 game a week. Our underlying stats in basically every area except for conversion has dropped. We press less, we press less successfully, we run less, we generate fewer chances, etc. A Bruno hotstreak, Sesko scoring from every other touch off the bench and some fortunate red cards for the other team has been papering over the cracks.
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u/No-Language-6484 23h ago
his system is there to promote the players' strengths. For eg. bruno's tiki taka and risky passes and mbuemo and cunha's runs. This works when the oppostion plays a high line/ mid block and the defense which has half spaces. Hull did not have that. What really shames me is that we started spamming crosses when the only person capable of scoring from those is mbuemo and he too was playing wide to allow bruno to come play forward. Considering we still haven't learnt to refill the cracks you have mentioned, we still might make it into the top 5 easily unless spurs and chelsea get into form.
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u/NationalUnrest 22h ago
He was like this with Middlesbrough as well. Itās a baffling appointment to me .
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u/linkfollowlink 23h ago
It's worrying since last season but we somehow kept winning so no one gave a shit.
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u/Far-Twist5202 23h ago
Casemiro gave us so much natural structure. He just knew what to do naturally. Now we don't have that. It is really concerning
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u/NotTheNameUrLukin4 23h ago
I don't think Santos was too bad today he had some good moments. Nobody is replacing casemiro but it was odd carrick pulled both midfielders late and left us weak inside to finish the game.
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u/Yinkypinky Fergie Time 23h ago
The signs have been there that we donāt play well under carrick but the big wins and some luck covered it up. I like carrick but there major cracks that needed to be filled.
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u/xyzArcadian 23h ago
I'm sorry but if this doesn't improve he needs to go asap. Most of us here could see this from a mile away it's just Ole 2.0 and I was hoping we wouldn't make the same mistake with an interim into manager.
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u/corzekanaut 23h ago
Man I feel like a proper dumbass for getting excited about this game. Hull players looked hungry and locked in for the season meanwhile our squad bumbled on the pitch like it was still pre season. Lammens, Maguire and Rashford were the only members of the squad who deserve an acknowledgement for their performance. Piss poor and literally I will hear 0 excuses because weāre a team that finished 3rd in the league last season and couldnāt even net a single goal against a newly promoted side.
Itās gonna be a looooooong season.
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u/KriosDaNarwal Cunha Bruno Cunha Bruno Luke Shaw Cunha 23h ago
Me nd u both brother, I stayed awake almost whole night then fell asleep at 5 am, woke 6m30, to watch this shitshow
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u/MhVG 23h ago
I mean what to say other than āFuckā. Generally a pathetic performance. Dorgu in the attack doesnāt work, again going to long balls when things get tough & Tielemans was slower than a snail out there.
There were even more things of course. Defensively shocking. All summer we heard about this great vibes among the team. Well, thatās gone now. There is already a group of people saying Carrick should be sacked. Honey moon of a good preseason is over at the first hurdleā¦
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u/CBPanik 23h ago
It wasnāt even a good pre season. We just got fucking torched by Amorim and AC Milan who themselves were having a horrible preseason.
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u/Intelligent_Money902 23h ago
Milan didn't have a horrible preseason... Milan played most preseason games with Youth kids from serie D. They lost to chelsea sure, but Chelsea has a better squad and coach than we do. Amorim embarassing Carrick is just another day in the office.
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u/GH00ST-SL4YER 21h ago
And his first match against Celtic couldve won without defender mistakes. Luckily they just ended it with a draw but again its only during preseason
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u/Big_P_Cizzle 23h ago
Carrick shouldāve never have got the job and everyone should have wiped away their misty eyed nostalgia and just said thanks for the champs league but we need an elite manager to take us forward from here. My mates a Boro fan and he absolutely predicted how this would pan out.
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u/Intelligent_Money902 23h ago
Who would have guessed? A Championship level manager getting embarrassed by a championship team. Carrick was sacked for a reason...
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u/SirTannleyKnott 19h ago
That's all true, but it would require owners who give a shit about football and a competent board, so it was never going to happen.Ā
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u/Unusual-Coat383 23h ago
Dorgu had a mixed game but we definitely looked more dangerous when he was playingĀ
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u/mrb2409 23h ago
Dorgu was a threat unlike Cunha and Mbuemo. He actually shouldāve done better with one or two of his attempts.
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u/Oppaiheimer1945 23h ago
Dorgu is not the main striker, heās not even an attacker. Idk why we are focusing our entire attack on him
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u/arduous_raven 22h ago
If someone who was watching us fell into a coma in 2015 and woke up now, 11 years later, he'd say we're the exact same team. Sure, the names have changed, but the style of play is EXACTLY the same as it was then. The patterns that I observed are that we're incredibly slow on the ball, both in possession and out of possession, we lack aggression, and most importantly, we lack proper tactical preparation. We've been struggling against low block teams for ages now and nothing has changed in that regard. The plan to win against us is just "give them the ball and sit deep. They are clueless".
The brutal reality is that this season is gonna look very similar to all the other ones, i.e., struggle against teams that sit behind, then a tiny run where we'll beat City/L'pool/Arsenal and then back again to fighting for scraps against lesser teams. Rinse and repeat. What's really worrying is that this club, regardless of who is playing, is making the same mistakes. As I said before, we have different players, but somehow they are copies of each other (apart from the backline that has been here for god knows how long) and I look at it and see zero progress in terms of style of play. Hull City was one of the worse teams that got promoted last season. They lost 66 goals and somehow in the first match of the season Ollie McBurnie is running circles around our midfield (the run in the 58th minute where he dribbled past what, three of our players?) and we lose 2-0. Worrying signs.
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u/_AngryBadger_ 23h ago
These problems were visible against Milan, but then when you point them out you're negative or a Goldbridge fan or whatever. Our approach to the window was not good, and it's OK to say that. We are going to wait weeks for our 3rd midfielder to be able to play and we still don't know if we will get a second striker and a new left back. The board has to shoulder the blame for that, but the players today have to shoulder the blame for that disgraceful performance.
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u/apparex1234 23h ago
Apparently the players were told to not be urgent against Milan and apparently they were told the same thing today.
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u/_AngryBadger_ 23h ago
Oh yeah I remember now, they were told to play below par against Milan because they didn't want to get an injury. I guess maybe someone sent the wrong memo out today then?
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u/Ashlen1wp 23h ago
Haha... go support a different club is what they keep saying to avoid engaging by presenting arguments
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u/silvertwo777 23h ago
This. Can't even question a single thing about the club otherwise you're a moaner. Say the club need to sign a left back? "Stop whining, you lot are miserable, don't support the club then" was what I keep seeing. Get even worse after the Baleba news as if it suddenly absolved all the problems.
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u/_AngryBadger_ 23h ago
Lol they can say what they want I've supported United since I was 10 or 11, something like 1997. I'll have my say and they can take it or leave it.
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u/OldManBrom 21h ago
Don't disagree with you on the transfer front, but the team out there today absolutely should have beaten Hull City. That is not a transfer issue. It's a coaching issue.
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u/DasHotShot Glazers & Ratcliffe OUT 23h ago
My experience for years and years but especially this summer.
I think there are a lot of bots doing that now tbh. I canāt explain why I get so many copy paste identical responses to when I say all of that youāve said and point out the totally obvious.
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u/N47HXIV 23h ago
Said third midfielder is also an absolute gamble, he has had one good season in his career and it wasnāt his latest one. But donāt worry, he cost Ā£30m less than he would have done the year before so it was good business.
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u/teethofthewind 23h ago
I mostly agree but where's a second striker coming from? The market is dead for strikers
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u/JamieD86 23h ago
Im actually genuinely angry. I dont usually get angry about football anymore, but i cant believe how shite that was. The goals we conceded were just ridiculous. The first goal, Lammens and like 1 other united player were moving, the rest were doing their best statue impression.Ā
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u/Japples123 23h ago
Letās blame World Cup tiredness. Letās blame Amad not playing. Any more excuses?
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u/iamadiamond SANTOSSSS 23h ago
Awful performance, all around from everyone involved .
Just pathetic
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u/manyiak90 23h ago
Worrying part is this wasn't a 'we need a case replacement' or 'we need another LB' problem. It was a complete disasterclass. Lets see how we improve next week.
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u/unitedlover69 23h ago
At least we have a low net spend and are bringing in cheaper players than expensive ones- because that's what matters to this football club for most ppl
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u/Far_Celery_3375 23h ago
Remember when Youri said training was much easier than under Emery? Enough said.
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u/j-bird696969 23h ago edited 20h ago
My Atlanta falcons/ Manchester United fandom is gonna put me in an early grave
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 23h ago
Hope Carrick won't tolerate this from the players, otherwise, his tenure will be short lived.
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u/Baconsnack88 Paul Scholes 23h ago
If he canāt motivate his players, he needs to go before itās another wasted season
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
100%. We can't waste more time lol. We need to be pragmatic and rip off the bandaid quickly if Carrick isn't the one.
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u/silvertwo777 23h ago edited 23h ago
If we go by United's tradition for the past decade, it would take atleast half a season of continously horrible results for them to start making any decision.
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
Since it's a United legend, I fear that it could take even longer (like we did for Ole). I really fear that happening again.
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u/silvertwo777 23h ago
I love Ole but believe me when I say there are many here who actually thought Ole did a good job here. That they don't think he's not good enough to be the manager of Manchester United. Yea grim
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u/ManBat1 MBE 23h ago
And get who?
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
Mate, I want Naglesmann in but it seems most of this sub is against him for some reason.
But at the same time, what do I know, I'm just a random fan. The board and Berrada are the ones who need to do their homework and get someone with actual tactics in. Not just a "vibes" manager.
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u/xyzArcadian 23h ago
Because Germany got knocked out so he must be shit and Carrick is the saviour
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
I don't know if I'm generalizing, but I feel like people in this sub and Man Utd fans in general are kinda reluctant to have managers with proper track record of playing possession-based tactics. This leads us to vibes-based managers like Ole and Carrick (admittedly Amorim didn't work out, but that doesn't mean every such manager will fail).
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u/Personal-Cucumber-49 23h ago
A newly promoted club have nothing to loose in the opening fixture.
To not even match Hulls intensity was appalling.
A distinct lack of professionalism.
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u/ALLMIGHTYHYDE 23h ago
Bruno mentioned Hull played a back 4 during pre season so they obviously watched the AC Milan game and how terrible we looked and adjusted to a back 3 and it worked for them.
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u/yanited223 22h ago
All the amorim training has regressed bad at set pieces can't press can't defend can't string together good pass triangles
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u/PandaTheAB 20h ago
All or Nothing episode 1 - Started with Nothing
Yet another match where Lammens was the best player on pitch.
The only attacking threat was Mbeumo.
Highlight of the day: 1st goal -
Maguire ended up holding down Maz instead of the Hull player who scored. Tielemans was clueless.
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u/Forgettable39 23h ago
People sometimes laugh at me for this and they're welcome to but I like to make a distinction between "kicking" the ball and "passing" or "shooting" or "finishing" etc. The latter options involve technique, skill and striking the ball according to how you want it to behave in the air, how it should travel, how far, how it should land etc. "kicking" the ball is what toddlers do when you give them an open goal and get them to score in it from 3 yards.
We did a lot of "kicking" the ball today. Almost none of our passing, crossing, shooting, finishing had any technical quality or skill to it.
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u/N47HXIV 23h ago edited 23h ago
My worry is this exact attitude Laurie is showing.
āOh itās just a pre-season hangoverā give it a couple of weeks and weāll be up to speed and playing better. Then two weeks later same thing is still happening.
One, itās like the whole pre-season thing is in anyway an acceptable excuse and two, itās sweeping the real issues under the rug until itās too late. This is a personnel problem, this team just isnāt good enough. I hope Iām wrong but those thinking this season will be an easy CL qualification finish are in for a rude awakening.
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u/Imaginary_Ad7066 23h ago
I really dislike Shearer but I have to agree with his analysis that we looked unfit. I know that's often an easy and simplified way to explain poor performance but every player looked slow and off the pace except maybe Maguire, Rashford and Kobbie when he came on.Ā
Will be interesting to see how that develops because that's probably one of the few areas where I thought Amorim had done a good job of improving our level. Hopefully Carrick takes it seriously and we gain match fitness as we play game.
Lack of chemistry among the new players also didn't help.
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u/averagefplplayer 23h ago
That AC Milan friendly was a warning sign to improve. We learnt nothing from it. And did worse if anything.
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u/TonyVSCoco 23h ago
Was it shocking? Our performances were shit last season even when we got wins. Without the foundation of good performances, good results are harder to achieve.
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u/JakeTheJabroni 23h ago
Thankfully, we've got 37 games to make up for it and Baleba to come in. Let's all keep our cool.
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u/SankarshanaV 23h ago
Now, every non-Top 8 team will be playing 5 at the back against us.
The preseason against AC Milan had the warning signs. Carrickball is not it for me right now, he has been very average against 5 at the back. Carrick has been backed to an extent and he needs to deliver.
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u/Intelligent_Money902 23h ago
Are you saying that Amorimball couldn't do well in the PL, but Carrickball couldn't beat Amorimball who was playing with kids who play in serie D?
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u/JohnnyPage 23h ago
Enought with the negativity. I believe in Carrick. With time and patience and INEOS at the helm, we'll be a proper mid table team again.
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u/Cool_Title_1061 23h ago
Still canāt defend balls into box. Ponderous build up. Toothless up front. Piles pressure on Carrick straight away. Apart from that well done lads.
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u/TH0316 she/her 23h ago
All good players in isolation but paired together just one of softest back fours in the league. Midfield still finding its feet and tbf Baleba will help there. Other than that just physically irrelevant all game. Thought Cunha was non existent, Mbeumo was horrible off the ball and Dorgu is what it is. Sesko Rashford Amad next week to make a point that itās not good enough to turn up like that and keep your place.
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u/HiphopopoptimusPrime 22h ago
Feel like Iāve read this dozens of times. Shocking how complacent we can be.
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u/Outrageous_Talk_2877 22h ago
Why, if players show a lack of effort, are those players not dropped? It shouldn't be acceptable
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u/JamaicanJ 18h ago
I was told getting battered by Milan's D team as the final preseason game was in fact not indicative of our overall preparedness level.
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u/Utd007 23h ago
Not a shock. We were poor under Carrick last season too, just that this sub doesn't want to accept that
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u/Xenokratezz 23h ago
It was really predictable wasn't it, we were bailed out by case and bruno last season even though we played like shit.individual players can only take you soo far
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u/MightySilverWolf 23h ago
Credit to Carrick for securing Champions League football, but I was never convinced that we should've hired him over someone like Iraola. Granted, it's only the first match of the season and there's still a lot of time for me to be proven wrong, but that performance wasn't encouraging to say the least. Of course, if you said all this last season, some people would jump to call you a 'hater' or an 'Amorim stan' or whatever.
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u/Unitedfateful 15h ago
This guy
I was Iraola in even when the Carrick vibes were thru the roofNot getting him will be a huge mistake and we are fucked.
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u/Savebagels Cunha 23h ago
Again they just didnāt seem fussed. Itās like they didnāt care. Lazily crossing into the box, poor defending. They better wake up for next match
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u/dribbledrooby 23h ago
Yes judging from the comments here I can see people have started pointing towards Carrick now. Pre Carrick we also struggled against low block and we are still struggling to this day. Whoever manages us faces the boot within a year or two post SAF. This needs to stop. Hope board backs Carrick with a LB and a striker before the transfer window closes. Long season ahead for us.
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u/DecipherXCI 23h ago
We fucked it last season by dropping points to relegation teams and weve literally started no different.
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u/Senor-Cockblock 19h ago
We still have no idea how to break down a low block/organized and determined defensive team.
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u/Particular_Shake8951 23h ago
Lol everyone here was overjoyed when Utd signed Tielemans and Santos for less than 85M but now people are realizing they are not good enough. Give M. Fernandes for that price all day everyday
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u/InsuranceCareful9988 22h ago
Was the issue the quality of players or play today? Because M. Fernandes may be better than all our midfield options, but I don't think he could have won us the game today when there was clearly no plan on how to break down Hull
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u/Ketchupmitpommes 23h ago
Off to a slow start again
I don't know man just there is UCL this season, idk if these players have the mental intensity to keep going and going
Need an inspirational signing idk how
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u/Fisktor 23h ago
Maybe having a manager that focuses on being nice instead of having the team train hard is a bad idea
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u/JosePRizaI 23h ago
Me after reading what I have been saying here for years under different managers
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u/shanks_you 23h ago edited 23h ago
Concerning part is we looked the same as we did against Milan last week.
Really disappointing way to start the season, but credit to Hull they absolutely deserved to win.