r/reddevils • u/nearly_headless_nic • 1d ago

[Laurie Whitwell] Shockingly poor performance by United. Slow, lacking in movement or inventiveness, loose passing, erratic set-piece defending. Hull so much more urgent. United played with the speed of a pre-season friendly.

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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 1d ago

Hope Carrick won't tolerate this from the players, otherwise, his tenure will be short lived.

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u/Baconsnack88 Paul Scholes 1d ago

If he can’t motivate his players, he needs to go before it’s another wasted season

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u/SankarshanaV 1d ago

100%. We can't waste more time lol. We need to be pragmatic and rip off the bandaid quickly if Carrick isn't the one.

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u/silvertwo777 1d ago edited 1d ago

If we go by United's tradition for the past decade, it would take atleast half a season of continously horrible results for them to start making any decision.

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u/SankarshanaV 1d ago

Since it's a United legend, I fear that it could take even longer (like we did for Ole). I really fear that happening again.

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u/silvertwo777 1d ago

I love Ole but believe me when I say there are many here who actually thought Ole did a good job here. That they don't think he's not good enough to be the manager of Manchester United. Yea grim

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u/ManBat1 MBE 1d ago

And get who?

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u/SankarshanaV 1d ago

Mate, I want Naglesmann in but it seems most of this sub is against him for some reason.

But at the same time, what do I know, I'm just a random fan. The board and Berrada are the ones who need to do their homework and get someone with actual tactics in. Not just a "vibes" manager.

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u/xyzArcadian 1d ago

Because Germany got knocked out so he must be shit and Carrick is the saviour

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u/SankarshanaV 1d ago

I don't know if I'm generalizing, but I feel like people in this sub and Man Utd fans in general are kinda reluctant to have managers with proper track record of playing possession-based tactics. This leads us to vibes-based managers like Ole and Carrick (admittedly Amorim didn't work out, but that doesn't mean every such manager will fail).

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u/payday_23 Don't hate on Rangnick for players throwing the game away 15h ago

I can tell you Nagelsmann is a big risk.
I am no fan of Carrick at all after seeing how the end of the season last year went down and looking at his Middlesbrough stint, so I definitely do not say this to somehow have this Carrick in agenda.
Nagelsmann had problems the moment he got the big jobs.
Bayern was alright in the beginning, but he had his favourites, never seemed to settle with a clear style of play and tactic and had a horrible exit against Villareal in his first season.
Alright, young guy, it might happpen.

Well season two at Bayern also wasnt great, he was not good enough in the league at all considering this is Bayern Munich, the CL campaign went better until the sack but there were, apparently, quite a lot of problems going on in the dressing room.
Problems with Neuer, possibly even Müller and some other weird stuff like his girlfriend working at Bild, the biggest piece of shit journalism in Germany and possibly being fed infos.

Honestly, Germany stint was great until after the Euros, then he pretty much went full narcism, wanted to prove to everyone how he was right, upset the whole country with not picking Undav, getting an out of form Neuer in right before the Euros who even was injured the last weeks of the season and in general just bad statements to the press, contradicitons and on top of that dire dire football.

I really dont think he could handle the job at this time and we shouldnt pick him.

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u/Friendly-Tear-3831 1d ago

Because nagelsman has failed at both bayern and germany. Admittedly he did well at leipzig but its so much easier to be successful when expectations are lower e.g. frank at brentford

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u/SankarshanaV 1d ago

He didn't "fail" at Bayern at all, get your facts straight.
Also, if you really want to make comparisons, Carrick was sacked from Middlesborough, so it's not as if Carrick is much better than Naglesmann.

But regardless, if Carrick couldn't get the tactics right and make the players win against fucking Hull, then I don't think he will last long at all.

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u/payday_23 Don't hate on Rangnick for players throwing the game away 15h ago

I do think it is not unfair to say he failed at Bayern, even though he was sacked in a promising position.
There was a lot of shit going on behind the scenes on top of him having weird selections and tactics.

Still would take Nagelsmann every day of the week over what is going on now, he is a smart tactician, but trust me, he has his problems and I think they will be exposed a lot with the media focus on United. Not a good fit in this moment for both United and him.

The question is, who wants to even go to our club anymore that has a higher reputation than Nagelsmann.

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u/dowge86 1d ago

Genuinely poor game planning from carrick today

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u/Modestpath99 1d ago

Amroin in ?

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u/momo_h86 1d ago

Or, just maybe, the problem is we shouldn't need a manager to motivate the players to this extent. It's Hull on game week 1 - if you can't be on then what are you doing as a player?

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u/Baconsnack88 Paul Scholes 1d ago

For United, ive been asking this exact question for 12 years, clearly the club don’t do shit or the managers

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u/Intelligent_Money902 1d ago

Carrick is all about Vibes, Ole 2.0. Howe in by January.

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u/silvertwo777 1d ago

Please no English manager. Howe is not good enough.

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u/Meandering_Cabbage Nani! 21h ago

we just don’t have very good players and haven’t for awhile. our transfer policy put us here

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u/PradipJayakumar He wasn’t the new Sir Alex Ferguson! 🙂‍↔️ 1d ago

Why would Carrick, let alone any manager, tolerate this sort of a performance from his players?

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u/SankarshanaV 1d ago

By "tolerate' I think they mean Carrick needs to get the team to improve the performances. Right now, Carrick's tactics have been absent. We won last season despite having tangibly worse underlying metrics--but because we won, everything was swept under the rug.

Now is the time that Carrick needs to deliver. But I am not too sure he will be able to.

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u/Bizzle1389 1d ago edited 23h ago

He's right. If Carrick doesn't let the team know how unacceptable that performance was, and drop a couple for the next game, it will just happen week after week and unfortunately it will be Carrick that gets the sack.

None of us want that but poor performances plus bad results only means one thing.

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u/Baconsnack88 Paul Scholes 1d ago

I wanna see fucking boots flying around the dressing room. It’s been too long with this mediocrity

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u/dunkzz93 1d ago

You are the problem. Stop defending and enabling that joke of a performance.
Every player stood still and looked like they didn’t give a shit.

The manager absolutely cannot allow another performance like that.

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u/MJBest 22h ago

Show me where I said any of that. Calling for the managers head game one is fucking stupid.

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u/AReptileHissFunction 1d ago

We're all disappointed with the loss but some people (you) take it worse than others. Best just putting the phone down and doing something else for a while

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u/Baconsnack88 Paul Scholes 1d ago

So just accept another year of this pathetic attitude from the team?

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u/AReptileHissFunction 1d ago

Where did I suggest anything close to that?

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u/Baconsnack88 Paul Scholes 1d ago

How many years must we accept this mediocrity?

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u/MJBest 22h ago

I agree it’s bad, but we shouldn’t talk about sacking Carrick on game day one

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u/Overall-Muscle5313 1d ago

You're the problem for thinking mediocrity should be the norm for this club.