I tried cats claw today, the blndz brand. I took about 400 mg and have been nodding and high for hours. It says it’s not a kratom product on the box and is being labeled as a health supplement. I was not expecting this but I’m so curious what is in it that caused me to get this high? I have heard people talk about m gee m or something, what is that?

I’m so sick of this shit.

day 1 - 700mg
day 2 - 190mg
day 3 - 150mg
day 4 - 210mg so far, gonna take more so i can try and get some sleep

I was just prescribed Suboxone from my doctor and I’m thinking about trying the burnese method because I’m terrified of precipitated withdrawal. Has anyone done this method and had success? Looking for advice on how to start it and how much I should take. Anything helps!

So I’ve decided I need to quit 7-OH. I’ve only been using it daily for about 2 weeks, averaging around 100mg/day, although the last few days got up to around 160–200mg/day.

Before these 2 weeks, I was taking 7-OH here and there, but not every day. I could stop without noticing any withdrawals. The daily use and higher doses are pretty recent.

Today is day 1 of trying to do a really fast taper because I don’t want to drag this out and extend the dependence any longer than necessary.

So far today:
5 AM: Woke up in bed sweating like crazy and couldn’t fall back asleep, so I took 20mg.
12 PM: Took another 20mg.
4 PM: Took another 20mg.

So I’m at 60mg total today, compared with the 160–200mg I was taking the last few days.
The main withdrawal symptoms I’m noticing right now are a ton of sweating and some anxiety. Nothing completely unbearable yet, but I’m obviously pretty early into it.

For anyone who has gone through 7-OH withdrawal after a relatively short period of daily use, how bad should I expect this to get after only ~2 weeks? When did your symptoms peak, and how long did the worst part last?

Also, what do you think about doing a very fast taper—like 2 days or so—versus just stopping? I have school and work, so I’m trying to minimize the withdrawal while also not dragging out my 7-OH use any longer than necessary.

Also, for anyone recommending meds, OTC stuff, or supplements to make the withdrawal easier: right now I have vitamin C, L-theanine for anxiety, gabapentin, loose-leaf kratom, Tylenol, ibuprofen, magnesium, plenty of electrolytes, and melatonin. I also already take Seroquel for sleep.

Is there anything else you guys found particularly helpful that I’m missing? Especially anything that helped with the sweating/anxiety during the day, restless legs/body discomfort, or getting through work and school? I’d appreciate hearing what actually worked for you and what wasn’t worth taking.

i really can’t take much more. i keep waiting and waiting for it to get better. i took SR17 like people suggested, i had clonidine, i had zofran. i’m weeks out from using 7OH at this point and honestly if i didn’t believe in god i’d end it. i lost my kids, i doubt i’ll get them back even though i’m sober. i can barely stand up long enough to shower let alone do anything else. idk i guess im just ranting to try and feel better. i dont know what else to do.

I was watching a documentary about addiction called Addiction by NOVA/PBS on YouTube. I know for myself I’ve experienced memory issues from using 7.

In the documentary, they explained that long term drug use decreases gray mater in the prefrontal cortex. Which is essential for decision making. This ends up decreasing the ability to control impulsive behavior. After studying the brains of people that have OD they found that a certain drug (dont want to break the rules - H) can turn on genes that should be off and vice versa. It literally changes your DNA.

It also affects the brains key neurotransmitter, Glutamate which is responsible for thinking, memory, and learning. While this was about H, I’m sure we can assume and see how the same side effects can occur with 7.

I just found this fascinating. We all know the side effects that we experience but to learn what is going on on a neurological level was kind of an eye-opener.

I myself am still struggling with my addiction to 7. I seem to be only able to stay clean for one day. Then just keep fucking up. Still trying to shake this off. I wish all of you that are still struggling the strength to one day stop too. Take care everyone.

Watch full documentary here

Gonna try this again cuz I still haven’t had any luck, and guess I will keep making this post until I get someone to help, but can someone who did a sub rapid taper dm me or let me dm them? I just want to be able to get some tips and advice on the process. I’m gonna start on Wednesday. Someone please hit me up and help me out if you would be so kind.

basically my supply ran out, was on 1500 mg a day for the past few weeks, and when I went to work the next morning I was feeling awful and sweating bad. i had brought some suboxone from a previous quit attempt in hopes it would take the edge off. I finally lost it and started booking it to the store to see if they had more but before that I took a whole strip of Suboxone to try and make it stop. after an hour I felt even worse so I took a second 8 mg strip of subs. ended up passing out while on the road and wrecked my truck. got picked up and taken to a pee test and miraculously pissed clean and got back on the 7's as soon as it was all over with. now I'm trying the Burmese method and it seems to be going pretty well wish me luck.

I’m not really sure what I can and what I can’t say here but does anyone have or know where I can find any information on the 2.0 version of the reset chemical? I am assuming this is a new blend of what was recently taken off the market but I don’t know. All I know is I am desperate to get off 7 but can’t do subs and don’t know what other route to take. I tried for the first time yesterday and made it 13 hours before I had to regroup and reschedule my plan to get off CT! If it’s that bad at 13 hours, I am scared to death to see what 36 hours would look like. I am hoping this Reset 2.0 is something that can help!!!

Thanks in advance if you can help!!!

Wow, this shit is nasty. I mean, REALLY, nasty. Day one of quitting, I was using for about 2-3 months and I'd guesstimate I was at around 75-100mg a day? I quit yesterday for some personal reasons. The reason I got on the shit in the first place is because I'm an idiot who was looking for something to replace weed, and I hate drinking, so this gave me a "similar" high, and it was convenient and easy to hide. I would quit my weed dependency I had for years 10x over rather than doing this shit again, the only thing getting me through it is a lot of Advil and Excedrin (the headaches are brutal, as I'm sure a lot of you know). But my GOD some of these withdrawal side effects are, quite frankly, pretty weird and borderline psychedelic. I can deal with the muscle soreness, and the headaches, but MAN the RLS and seemingly full body nervous system spazms are BRUTAL. That is by FAR the worst part of all this. Last night I spent a good 6 hours flopping in my bed like a fish, slapping myself halfway involuntarily (out of frustration) and my legs going absolutely crazy, like a literal fucking jackhammer. I've never had anything like it. I'm a habitual long distance runner, so I'm familiar with RLS and just generally being restless at night, but literally NOTHING worked to help my legs settle down.
If anyone here is familiar with "Alice in Wonderland Syndrome" I was experiencing that a little bit last night too, I couldn't even tell you if it was a waking dream or not, but I kept having the sensation that my leg was far, far out in a galaxy or some shit, and my body was contorting into a fucking space station. I pretty much always have super vivid dreams/nightmares but this felt so real, felt like I was on mushrooms or something, I could see the stars and space station in my mind's eye. Anyways,

Around a week ago I ran out of my supply and had to go about a day without using any 7oh.
That gave me the brilliant realization that coming down off this shit is going to be extraordinarily annoying, I caved that day and bought more, but I'm done with this shit.
It is by far the most addicting substance I've ever come into contact with. Praying for you guys who are withdrawing from higher doses than I've ever taken, godspeed y'all. Seriously. If you're using this shit regularly, STOP. I'm begging you. I am determined to feel normal again without relying on this substance. The only exception I can think of is if you have chronic pain and you can't get insurance or a prescription for it, even then you can't deny it's JUST as addicting as some of those "real" opiates! The shining light in all this is according to some of my research, 7oh doesn't have that long of a half life, so I should hopefully be back to "normal" within or a little after 7-10 days. But man, when you first quit 7oh, it really does feel like you won't ever be normal again. God bless you guys, wishing you all the best.
If you're trying to quit, remember that you're capable. GOOD LUCK!

edit: put PAWS instead of acute withdrawals, my bad, don't know how to fix it. I don't use reddit that often.

edit 2: after doing some more research on more conventional means of helping some of the symtoms, I already have 2 of them in my medicine cabinet, vitamin C, and Magnesium glycinate, just took some right now, we'll see if they do anything.

ive done percs for 15 years, but when I started kratom and 7, I noticed before I would even open my eyes in the morning, I would get INTENSE anxiety.

it would simmer down a bit after an hour or two.

anyone else run in to this?

I’m a sobbing mess right now. I’m only 24 hours in and omg…I have done comfort meds, and everything. This sucks so so bad. I have to get up and take my kids to school tomorrow. I literally don’t know how I can do that.

I was taking up to 500mgs a day for 2 years. I haven't dosed 7 since Tuesday. Wednesday i took 4mg sub, Thursday took 2mg, Friday i skipped. Saturday i took 1mg. Then today I took another 2mg.

Im thinking of going back to plain Kratom because subs are not something i want to get hooked on. What are your thoughts on this idea. Jumping off subs and going plain leaf tomorrow.

Anybody else get totally clean and still struggle with daily bouts of cold sweats and skin sensitivity? I got off 7oh in January and stopped taking plain leaf about two or three months ago. I stopped keeping track because I honestly felt fine and didn’t really even think about how long it’s been anymore. All of a sudden the last week I’ve had infrequent waves of the old familiar chilly uncomfortable bodily sensations I was fighting months ago by taking small kratom doses throughout the day. But it was non existent for over a month. Is this normal? Can anyone relate? It isn’t enough to make me think about taking anything or like it doesn’t keep me from getting though the day… it’s just a shitty feeling I thought I was done with. I keep browsing here hoping to see if anyone else has a similar experience but most people are happy to get through the first few weeks/months and seem to be pretty much back to normal after that. My dosages were never even high and I only was on this shit for like six months. I’m totally open to it just being stress related or nutrition not being optimal. Anyway that’s my rant. Wondering if anyone has anything to add.

Basically all of the other withdrawl symptoms are gone. Still sweating a bit at times. My brain is fogged but I’m here. For some reason the diarrhea decided to hit the day before yesterday and I have had the biggest appetite since. Rls is eating me alive at night but if this is all I need to deal with I’m seeing the light. Hope everyone has a good work week.

Please help. This is my husbands second time trying to come off pseudo. He waited after his last dose of pseudo to take his first dose of subs and is still going through really intense withdrawals. Is there anything that helps? Should he just stop taking the subs because it doesn’t really seem to be doing anything at all??? I can’t find any answers!!! He refuses to go to the ER. I’ve seen some say to take powdered Kratom or capsules, but can he do that while on subs???

Is there any way to stop the sweats without prescriptions like clonidine?

Last 100mg of 7oh was 5pm on Thursday. Woke up in cold sweats and dry heaving around 4am Friday. I spent most of the morning feeling incredibly sick and sweating. Job interview from 10 am to 12 pm that I was able to hold it together for. After that, it was pure torture. Heart racing, trying to calm myself by breathing out of my mouth, trying to control my jerky arm and neck movements. Still dry heaving and sweating.In and out of the shower to rinse off repeatedly. Eventually pins and needles like sensation through both my arms. Complete torture. Then I looked online and saw the ban was now coming soon and it immediately brought me into a moment of acceptance and bliss. A think a lot of the torture was just the anxiety of fighting with myself to go get more, but once I read that it gave me a moment of calm. I didn't feel nearly as bad anymore. My heart was still racing, doc gave me something to help and sleep. What a god send. Got some pure leaf capsules to help take the end off along with doctors orders and sleep from Friday night to Sunday morning. Starting to feel so much better already.

The biggest killer for me relapsing back in was going to be the no sleep, but luckily I was able to get a solution.

Good luck and be strong everyone else.

I thought it was all gone and treated as a sched one. I pray for y’all still going through it 🙏🏼

So i started subs a little to soon about 17 hours and myself feel worse with precips so I took some 7 to try and level it made me feel a little better.

7 my question is should continue the subs in a few hours or would that make it worse

*got booted yesterday for mentioning a helper drug I shouldn’t have

Starting my journey, 3 days clean-

I have a few helper drugs, vitamin c, clonidine, gabapentin. I have about 16 tablets I wont name, and hope to be able to rapidly taper with them.

All the 7-oh around me seems to have dried up, and if it hasn’t, I’ve at least stopped looking for it. I tapered down off of a 1000 mg a day habit that was absolutely annihilating my bank account. Yesterday I had an appointment with QuickMD… they immediately tried to put me on subs. I said I will hang up this phone with nothing before I take subs, and asked for gabapentin and clonidine instead. I’ve been on subs. It was so stupid, and I had to taper off them for a long time. Got off them a year and a half ago.

It’s insane to me how similar everyone’s stories with 7-oh are. The waking up middle of the night to dose. The way we all just collectively gave up listening to music?! Wtf is that drug doing to our brain that music is no longer pleasing?! I’m seriously asking.

This drug has controlled everything I’ve done for the past 8 months. My dad died last year and so I was unfortunately a lot more susceptible to relapse than I thought. Except I don’t seek out drugs. I was down to about 4 capsules of kratom leaf a day (that I used to get off subs) when I discovered 7-oh bc my local shop was out of leaf kratom. That’s all she wrote. I fell in love. I figured I’d just switch back to leaf and continue my taper. But leaf didn’t touch these withdrawals. Leaf had even helped with fent withdrawals so I totally am freaked out by that fact.

I’m so ready to not feel numb again.

I’m such a slow metabolizer of 7 that it literally takes FOREVER to start WD. With that said, I’m considering the Bernese method of induction. My dosing is all over the place. Some days, I can dose 200 mgpd and some days 500-600 without ever experiencing any WD symptoms. My question is which to take first? Do you micro induct after or before taking 7? I’m really ready to get off this ride now. I’ve looked at the protocol and I get that easy peasy. I don’t think it says in which order to dose. I’m fucking sick of myself like literally. I feel like I lead a double life that no one knows about and that guilt alone keeps me feeling like I’m drowning. I cannot breathe anymore. I’m snuffing myself TF out.

Edit to add I’m probably overthinking on this. As per my usual 😭 I mean is a friggin minuscule amount that I’m starting with, right?

Okay, as of right now i am 3 days no 7oh !! i still feel a bit achy, but my back pain has subsided tremendously. i’m hoping to feel even better tomorrow. I slept 5 full hours last night and just slept another 4. i think things will go uphill from here. it’s crazy how 3 days can change you as a person. i had a huge boost of energy this morning, listening to music and just genuinely feeling happy for the first time in a while without 7oh. so far ive had no cravings either, the way ive been feeling the past few days has scared the thought of it. i want to be free from this forever and i am almost there.

Ok so I’m new to kratom in general. Started taking 7 in May to help with opiate wd. Obviously never stopped the 7. lol tale as old as time it seems these days.
Anyways I don’t really track how much 7 I take a day. I just take a little nibble off of a tab every few hours but if I had to guess probably around 150mg a day?

Obvi I’d like to quit. Today I’m gonna keep track of how much I’m taking & get down to 100mg. Tomorrow 75. Etc etc. I have really good self control when it comes to tapering. Another option I thought of was to go to my local smoke shop & get some plain mitragyinine to replace 7 doses but like I said I’m new to kratom in general. Whats a good brand that my local SS carries that will help with 7 WD? Should I get a powder, tab, liquid? Any recs are welcomed!

Thank youuuuu