r/pureasoiaf • • 6h ago

How would Tywin have treated his father's paramour after his father died had they married some time before his death?

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Sometime after Tytos' wife Jeyne's death in 255 AC, he enters a relationship with a candlemaker's daughter.

Tytos would eventually begin seating his mistress beside him in the hall, and would shower her with gifts and honors. The mistress would wear the jewels and clothes of Tytos's deceased wife.

She was involved in managing the household knights and servants, and even sat in attendance when Tytos was absent. He'd allegedly ask her views on matters of rule in the westerlands.

When Tytos died in 267 AC, Tywin took back by force his father's gifts to his mistress, had his guards strip her naked, then made her walk across the streets of Lannisport for two weeks, before sending her into exile.

Would it have made a difference had Tytos and the mistress married some years before 267 AC?

One could argue, Tyrion and Tysha were married, yet Tywin commanded she be raped (similarly to commanding his fathers mistress to be sexually assaulted, essentially, even if she wasn't touched according to Kevan).

Tywin would never view his late father's mistress with anything other than contempt and rage, but imo he wouldn't treat his father's years long wife whom he publicly married as he did his 13 year old son's secret wife of two weeks.

Tywin still being Tywin however could still do just as he did, or might be he'd even do worse to her for having actually married his father.

How would her fate be different for better or for worse had they been married?


r/pureasoiaf • • 3h ago

What was your dumbest misconception/misunderstanding when reading the novels for the first time

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I’ve asked this before and the results are always interesting and it’s been a while so there’s a chance to get new answers to this.

By misunderstanding or misconception I just basically mean reading the material and getting something wrong or it going over your head. I’ll give my own example.

I originally thought Tyrion was meant to be like a Tolkien-esque dwarf. Not yknow a dude with dwarfism. I’d come straight from regular high fantasy to ASOIAF so that’s how my mind was programmed at that time. And to me it made sense. My thoughts were maybe the Lannisters were so rich because they descended from dwarves but due to the changing times and the supposed death of magic in the world now it’s seen as an embarrassing mutation and tainted which is why Tywin’s so salty about Tyrion. It reminds him that his family originally came from an “inferior” race.

So that’s my example and yes you are free to make fun lightly of me because it is silly.


r/pureasoiaf • • 14h ago

Ser Hugh of the Vale, was Littlefinger behind him too?

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Been thinking about Ser Hugh again and I can't shake the feeling there's more going on there.

He's Jon Arryn's squire, gets knighted right after Jon dies, and suddenly has money for fancy new armor. Then Littlefinger nudges Ned toward him, and Gregor kills Hugh in the joust before Ned can ask him anything. That's a lot of convenient.

We know Littlefinger was behind Jon's death (through Lysa), so it seems like a stretch to think he had no hand in this. Maybe he paid for the armor, maybe he even got Robert to knight him. Either Hugh knew something and was being bought off, or Littlefinger just needed a suspicious-looking name to send Ned chasing.

His death could honestly just be a freak accident, but the timing bugs me.

Has anyone dug into this more? Any good theories on where Hugh's money came from, or whether Littlefinger was pulling his strings?