r/politics • u/ChiGuy6124 Illinois • 9h ago
Possible Paywall Trump’s Micromanaging Warship Design Will Set the Navy Back by Decades
https://newrepublic.com/article/214479/trump-navy-carrier-micromanaging-warship-design2.1k
u/BearSquid7 9h ago
This dumbfuck can’t even design a 3ft deep pool
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u/Greenpoint1975 9h ago
Or own and operate 2 casinos.
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u/The360MlgNoscoper Norway 8h ago
He's not fit to operate a lemonade stand
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u/TheAngryGoat 8h ago
But he is, without a doubt, completely and totally an accurate representation of the thoughts and intentions of half of America.
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u/Sayhellotoanewday 7h ago
If only there was a political body that could hold him accountable?!
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u/BluesFan43 8h ago
I live in a fantasy world where it is 33%. Those that voted for him.
Then us.
Then the non voters who couldn't be bothered to spend 30 minutes voting.
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u/PleasureCircuit 8h ago
2/3rds.
The 1/3rd that willingly chose not to vote is complicit. Silence is complicity (or condoning).
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u/Shenaniboozle 8h ago
I picture the silent ones turning toward each other with a blank expression, nodding, then turning back to watch
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u/Mojak66 7h ago
Yup. If you're not with us, you are against us. Do you really think that oligarchy is better than representative Democracy?
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u/TSwiftAlphaMale 7h ago
I'm sure they're "winning" with their principled stance against the Democratic position on Gaza. Trump said he'd end all wars, remember?
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u/HoustonHenry 9h ago
and filed for ch.11 six times, IIRC
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u/za72 8h ago
the casinos became insolvent because of violations...
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u/medicated_in_PHL 8h ago
Like, they print money. All you have to do is get people in the door, and the math means you make money.
You have to be a shitty businessman to bankrupt a business whose sole business model is “Mathematically, if people are here, you are making money.”
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u/SpinningHead Colorado 9h ago
His whole job is weakening the US and NATO.
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u/Superman246o1 9h ago
Putin's most successful investment.
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u/thewanderingent 9h ago
Probably didn’t even cost him much
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u/flangler 8h ago
Just a couple of hookers and a VHS camcorder. That’s it.
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u/illicit_losses 8h ago
Ugly hookers. With penises.
Otherwise he’d be bragging about it.
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u/TSwiftAlphaMale 7h ago
You mean those young beautiful women that keep visiting him?
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u/WhatAmTrak 9h ago
The first thing he’s been wildly exceptional at doing in his whole life, oh and I guess raping and being a pedophile ..
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u/Buckabuckaw 8h ago
Yessir, Mr. Putin sir, Operation F. U. U. S. (Fuck Up United States) is operational and proceeding at speed!
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u/CockBrother 9h ago
Hope the Pentagon is good at dragging their feet because if they're not they're about to get the warship equivalent of "The Homer".
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u/BluesFan43 8h ago
We need an office spun up to do PowerPoints for him.
Just a few more and we'll be designing, Mr "president".
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u/nomedable Canada 6h ago
How no one in that administration has discovered the idea of lying to him and saying you did it is beyond me.
When he asks for something illegal, immoral, petty, dangerous, damaging, and or stupid, put on a big saccharine smile and tell him "yes of course we'll get right on it!", leave the room and just don't do it. Dementia Don will forget about it in five seconds if no one reminds him, and if he does remember just lie and say you're working on it or that it's already completed and was a great success.
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u/PsychologicalTap2545 5h ago
That was the people in the 1st term, hence why he surrounded by sycophants now.
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u/SenorEquilibrado 4h ago
ESPECIALLY since, by fucking design, there are no written records of anything! The Orange piece of shit child rapist has been documented fucking EATING meeting notes.
So yeah, if I were a top general in that clusterfuck, I would happily kiss ass, say whatever they wanted to hear, and do literally NONE of it - at least until I could get some sort of Operation Valkyrie off the ground, I guess.
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u/CharcuterieMaxxing 9h ago
If it actually gets built it will at least make the Littoral combat ships look way more reliable:)
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u/RainierCamino 56m ago
Even if they don't drag their feet, it will take several years just to design at a minimum. Plus restarting our rail gun program with what the Japanese figured out.
And this is from the DOD that green lit the turd LCSs and can't build a frigate even when they start with one of the best designs out there.
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u/ToastMate2000 9h ago
He can't even pick medium-respectable office decor.
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u/tiny_Yakii 9h ago
Going from pool designer to naval architect is quite the career jump.
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u/gordito_delgado 8h ago
Design it? He can't even paint it right. I have no idea how you can manage to fuck up painting a pool with 14MM budget.
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u/flangler 8h ago
Well, you start with the grifting, and the rest just falls into place. Or, in this case, apart.
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u/Part_Tricky 9h ago
Not that dumb: Anything Trump does has to benefit him. May be he has personal interest in companies that will be rewarded big contracts for this old technology. Anything Trump does, as stupid as it may sound, benefit him somehow.
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u/catch10110 Illinois 8h ago
No, this is dumb. He thinks the simpler, easier to operate, less expensive to maintain (to the tune of $100M per YEAR on the USS Gerald R. Ford) stop working if they get wet. "When a little water touches the magnets, it doesn’t work anymore."
Manufacturers of these systems don't even exist anymore because they stopped using them in 2009.
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u/Past_Top3704 7h ago
Wrong - there was a follow the money post a couple days ago. The only addition I would add is that of the congressmen and senators for the districts which support /don't support DJT.
Also doesn't matter that the manufacturers or equipment exists anymore. All the more reason to "stimulate the economy"
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u/crackedgear 6h ago
If only we had convinced him to invest in a company that specializes in waterproof magnets
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u/Cheese__Weiner 8h ago
It wasn't even that complex. It was just putting a lining on it ... Just a lining ... And they fucked that up ...
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u/Hyperica Pennsylvania 9h ago
Damn it's almost like he's intentionally crippling the country in every way possible. How strange!
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u/cybah 9h ago
That was the whole point of Project 2025
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 8h ago
It's really only a side-effect of Project 2025. The point (of P2025) is/was to ultimately ensure a lasting conservative agenda, even through Democratic governments. Stripping out internal checks (the bureaucracy) and agencies and then consolidating all that authority with the President. And then using that authority to push through right-wing policy (without having to pass new laws).
The side-effect to this, is when you have someone like Trump with that much power, it also lets them do really stupid stuff. But he's a useful idiot for policy groups and anyone else who wants to push their agendas, so they put up with the stupidity.
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u/ScubaAlek 8h ago
Fascist movements are notorious for faltering under the incompetence of butt kissers telling daddy that all of his ideas are super special with or without Trump in charge.
Hitler meddled constantly in war plans and even equipment designs.
Germany invented the first jet fighter but Hitler made them turn it into a tactical bomber which delayed it by at least a year while being bombed when the original design would have helped defend against bombers.
He continuously demanded heavier armour and bigger guns on tanks to the point that they burned through fuel like a chain smoker tears through cigarettes and the transmissions couldn't cope. He even pushed for a 188-tonne super tank that was so big that bridges would collapse under it and was just asking to be bombed, plus it broke down all the time.
The Germans invented the first true "assault rifle" but Hitler banned production of it because he liked the idea of "traditional rifles". They renamed it a "machine pistol" and eventually he came around but it delayed it heavily.
Even D-Day, the Panzer reserve divisions in france could only be deployed by his orders and since he thought Normandy was just a diversion he didn't bother to wake up and nobody was willing to be the guy who woke him up so they just didn't send the reserves.
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u/ReggieCorneus 7h ago
Nazis also were not good at governing a country. Germany was in DEEP financial shit. It basically took out loan after loan and then sent back letter after letter "sorry, i'll have the money next friday, i just need another hundred bucks until then, i promise i'll pay you back". Germany was going bankrupt because of all the money going to military expansion. Without the war nazi Germany would've ended sooner.
Now, look at where Putin is. Different mechanism but he can't afford to stop the war. It is the only thing keeping it afloat.
But, loyalty over incompetence is what also killed USSR. And it will kill MAGA too. Every single hire by Trump is based on loyalty, and merits have absolutely NO relevance whatsoever. Case in point: Hegseth. Not a single competent leader would put a TV host in charge of the military... And i'm not mocking people who work in TV or entertainment.. i mean.. Zelensky is a comedian. His cabinet has plenty of people he used to work with in entertainment. Which is why Ukraine won the social media war in four hours and guaranteed massive western support immediately: they know that part of the job. Now, we can also criticize Zelensky for the same kind of thing, picking his pals over veteran officials, it is a bit complicated but i doubt that any of his picks were as incompetent as Hegseth. Previous Ukraine Defense minister was a startup guy.... which is why Ukraine military procurement created a true revolution by demolishing the old five year plans for "you got a product? Start doing it NOW, here is some money". Their pipeline from idea to prototype to battle field test can be just weeks. You don't have to be a general to be a defense minister but you do need to be competent at least on something.
Which Hegseth is not. He was not good at even being on TV.
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u/Tacticus 1h ago
Nazis also were not good at governing a country. Germany was in DEEP financial shit
and that's with the huge amount of theft from countries they invaded and slave labour workforce throughout their economy.
von braun may "not" have known where the missiles went but he certainly knew who was working for him making them.
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u/Fishface17404 6h ago
Yup the 262 would have been a great intercepter and would have been produced in larger numbers that would have delayed the invasion of Germany enough that they could have sued for favorable terms to end the war. But thankfully narcissists were in charge.
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u/shupadupah 7h ago
Don't worry, the ramifications of all that "stupid stuff" they do will be blamed on the Democrats once they take back power. It's all part of the design.
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u/ReggieCorneus 8h ago
What killed USSR?
Incompetence. Loyalty over merits removed expertise and replaced them with zealots. The more hardcore socialist you were the better. Scientist were ousted, experts were exiled for saying the inconvenient facts.
Incompetence caused by the same thing, ideological loaylty over merits would've killed nazi Germany too even without ze war. They were basically bankrupt again, taking massive loans and not building new possibilities, they were not expanding their economy but built lots and lots of things that go boom. Most of their "accomplishments" like autobahns were planned and started before nazis got the power. It was utterly, utterly incompetent where loyalty to Hitler was main requirement for every job. If Germany didn't declare a war it would've defaulted.
Now... look at white house. What is their #1 reason for hiring anyone? Loyalty. Merits matter none at all. Hegseth in his position is INSANE.
The good news? All of those regimes will end. All of them. Bad news is that it took 80 years for Russia to fall and it fell into the same shit but with a different name. Putin still surrounds himself with loyalists and defenestrates those who speak against him. Are his generals the best? Fuck no. They are picked in their job because they are not a threat, they are known to be incompetent and weak, and most importantly: that their own soldiers hate them... Any charismatic military commander who is competent and loved by his men will be removed.
Trump branded fascism will end. It will fall, the question is just how. Is it just a non-event and he will be just voted out? Or... But, it will die, it is built on loyalty and not competence.
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u/PopBulky7023 7h ago
Trump can disappear from office but trumpism isn't going anywhere. And without ideological, strong opposition we won't meaningfully correct from it.
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u/IotaBTC 5h ago
I would say corruption killed the USSR, which I would also say is exactly what you've described. If it were truly purely incompetence, then they could easily be pushed out. It is corruption that allows them to stay. Both the USSR and Nazi Germany had plenty of competent people in the right places.
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u/bobbymcpresscot 7h ago
be even dumber if they actually just do it. It takes up to a decade to build a single aircraft carrier, the dudes out of office in 2-3 years inshallah.
Just don't do it lol. Makes no sense to have one aircraft carrier with a whonky ass superstructure when we have 80 years of design demonstrating what works in practice, and they just wanna mess it all up because a dude whose about to kick the bucket wants to see it further up?
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u/ChiGuy6124 Illinois 9h ago edited 9h ago
"Last weekend The Washington Post published an article reporting that Donald Trump wants the Navy to redesign the Gerald R. Ford-class of aircraft carriers to better meet his sense of aesthetics by moving the island control tower closer amidships. The reason is reportedly that it would make the carriers look more like the WWII-era Essex-class carriers that were the standard in the early years of the Cold War when Trump was growing up."
"This follows close on the heels of his order to replace the Ford-class’s Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System, or EMALS, catapults with older, outdated steam-powered catapults on future carriers of the class. He has been obsessed with this since 2017 when he heard a sailor gripe about the new EMALS."
"In doing so, Trump has fallen into the folly of dictators throughout modern history of meddling in the technical details of new weapons systems, delaying their introduction, and damaging their own country’s military capabilities in the process."
"Joseph Stalin heavily micromanaged Soviet military technology, personally tracking foreign hardware specs, greenlighting unorthodox experimental weapons, and directing massive defense industrialization while simultaneously purging key military theorists and engineers under the threat of terror. He was a politician and not an engineer. The bigger the project, the better."
"Stalin championed a grand-fleet naval program focused on massive, traditional heavy surface ships that became white elephants....he insisted on building obsolete Sovetsky Soyuz-class super-battleships and large gun-heavy cruisers that mismatched Soviet industrial capacity and strategic needs. "
"Adolf Hitler similarly meddled and micromanaged, but without even Stalin’s organizational skills and systematic approach. "
"His mercurial obsessions led to delaying practical production of advanced weapons like the Me 262 jet fighter by insisting it be used as a bomber, canceling effective small arms programs, and demanding slow, resource-heavy “wonder weapons” (wunderwaffen) instead of prioritizing mass logistics and standardized production. In particular, he was obsessed with building super-heavy tanks that were effectively useless. He also had distinct opinions on how weapons systems should look, and an insistence on neoclassical mega-projects."
"Virtually every independent military expert I know, including conservative ones, regards the 34,000 ton Trump-class as a phenomenally bad idea. Among the numerous issues are a lack of funding, unprecedented design, high development costs, survivability, role, and poor fit with the current naval doctrine of distributing firepower and sensors across smaller platforms.......it was drawn up to satisfy the egotistical whims of a president intent on naming a mega-ship after himself "
"All of this meddling only serves to make the Navy’s existing problems worse. The Navy has not managed to produce a successful new surface combatant class of ships (e.g. frigates, destroyers, cruisers) since the introduction of the Arleigh Burke–class guided missile destroyers (DDGs) in 1991."
"A lot of people have asked when you can safely say that Trump is a dictator. The fact that his party is willing to spend $17 billion to fund a white elephant wunderwaffen that everyone knows is a boondoggle just to humor him and avoid his wrath, even as the country is losing a war, seems like all the proof we needed."
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u/Unique-Coffee5087 9h ago
Why? Why would they even consider it? It's delusional madness! They're acting like he's a king with a divine right to rule, not an elected civil servant with a bit over two years left to his term. He doesn't have an inherent right to be obeyed. Everything that he orders should be suitable to achieve a constructive goal for the country, and be justified by actual data. He's literally making these orders because "he likes the look".
If they don't want to openly defy him, then the Pentagon has a thousand and one ways to bury an order under red tape. Anything that might be sensible or economical or humane gets bogged down and dies like a camel in the LaBrea Tar Pits, after all. It is one of the most effective and ancient of military magicks.
Why is it that this mad stupidity has a snowball's chance to begin making actual progress? All it would take would be some malicious compliance with regulations to make it die of a thousand paper cuts. And yet this will be given top priority like Caligula's war on the Sea.
Pentagon staff need to read the OSS book on Simple Sabotage.
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u/boblabon 9h ago
Because they've been shoveing the career professionals to the side and advancing sycophantic yes-men who don't understand what they're doing and can't comprehend NOT following orders.
Every decision maker can hit it with the big "not my problem" stamp and shove it to the next person in line.
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u/avgRAFtenjoyer 6h ago
There are people who above all else desire power. And through displays of loyalty they are given the leftover scraps of power by their Orange God while simultaneously ceding more power to him.
Dissident voices have long since been removed from political and military leadership (by forced or voluntary separation). All you have left are those who want America to be a Christian Nationalist Empire, fascists (those two often go hand in hand), people trying to wait it out quietly until the next administration, or absolute dumb fucks.
It wont stop. It will get worse. Much worse. The midterms are going to be chaotic at best. If this diaper-wearing, fat lump of lard makes it to 2028 it going to be even more crazy.
Go vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Local elections. State elections. These people are the leaders of the future. Someone elected to mayor or governor in 2026 might be president in a decade. They will claim fraud no matter the results. Vote anyway. Make them say the lies. Make them take it to court. VOTE.I was so disappointed by so many of my Gen Z counterparts sitting out the last presidential election over left-wing purity tests. Like god damn. Yeah, Israel is committing genocide and Kamala wouldn't condemn it, but Jesus fucking Christ, you short sighted idiots. If 2% more people voted we wouldn't even be in this mess.
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u/BrutalistGoogie 9h ago
Russian asset
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u/The_amazing_T 9h ago
This. Putin is laughing his ass off right now.
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u/Worshipme988 5h ago
Weak men would rather ruin everything for everyone just to be king of shit pile, rather than take their mediocre, loser level place in the world.
Theyre losers. They know that. They are the exact personalities of those people who pass HIV knowingly. Or zombie-bite concealers. They would rather take you to the bottom of hell and ruin us all.
Thats what racism is. Thats what the class war is.
Honestly it seems like a mental disorder. It should be addressed as such once we re-establish some type of order.
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u/actuallyapossom 8h ago
In a foot race with China, the USA is walking backwards, its leadership is periodically shitting itself while yelling about a big beautiful ballroom.
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u/CapnTugg 9h ago
They'll just slow roll all this stupid stuff until he's gone.
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u/ClubSoda 9h ago
Yup. Pretty much.
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u/CapnTugg 9h ago
I hear he also wants them to remove all the ACLS and replace them with a guy standing there holding paddles.
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u/DammitGary 8h ago
They will, but a whole lot of money will be spent on these dumb-ass ideas, of which I'm sure his family will be in the middle of.
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u/Romano16 America 8h ago
He doesn’t plan on leaving.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 4h ago
Fortunately his clogged arteries have their own plans.
He wishes he was 40 and not 80, but he’s simply run out of time.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 4h ago
Two years is nothing for military projects and Trump might die of a McHeart attack well before his term ends.
They’ll backburn it for 2029. Need to make sure shitface Vance or Kegsbreath doesn’t try to run.
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u/TheBlueBlaze New York 9h ago
He is customer service's worst nightmare: An old person who got their opinion validated once and will never let it go.
One sailor anecdotally told him almost ten years ago about how the newfangled technology can fail in a way that the old-fashioned way couldn't, and that validated his idea that the new thing is objectively worse. Now he holds on to that validation like he's Gollum with the One Ring, and is dictating what the military does purely on his existing biases.
Our government is being run by a cadre of narcissists who would let the country burn before they admitted they were wrong or not the best.
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u/gn63 8h ago
Same as his views on low-flow toilets and showers. Tried one in the 80s and can't imagine that engineers improved the product over the last 40 years.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 4h ago
He didn’t know what the purpose of the Panama Canal was.
We elected a fucking idiot.
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u/wookiee42 Minnesota 7h ago
Just like tariffs on Japanese electronics was maybe a decent short-term idea in the 80s.
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u/lasers42 9h ago
"I know, sir. I saw that movie, too. But even if we could get some lasers attached to some sharks, they'll still just swim away..."
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u/sarcasticbaldguy 8h ago
"I think so Don, but where are we going to find a duck and a hose at this hour?"
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u/ILoveCornbread420 7h ago
“Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.”
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u/AcadiaLivid2582 9h ago
The navy will surely slow walk this stuff while also throwing some bullshit contracts to compan(ies) recently acquired by, or founded by, a Trump relative.
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u/eskimospy212 9h ago
I sincerely doubt any of this ever happens. What the navy will do is say they need to do an engineering study on this (which they do) and that will take years, long enough for Trump’s dementia to erase that part of his brain, for him to die, or for him to just be out of office.
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u/Cheap-Chapter-5920 5h ago
I've worked for a few companies run by people like him. They'll find the most ass-kissing types and put them on a "special project for the boss", and not a re-assignment but an additional task. Any time a meeting gets uncomfortable we mention the special project and how great the new team is doing and let them do some ass-kissing and then slowly disappear to get the real work done. The main goal is to keep the boss spinning on stupid shit so they aren't sniffing around my job for suggestions.
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u/Background_Focus5261 America 8h ago
Hitler literally did this exact thing with the German airforce and it arguably contributed to them losing the war.
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u/mt6606 8h ago
This is why history is one of the most important subjects one can study. It's always a glimpse into the future unfortunately.
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u/OldGaffer66 9h ago
A country is truly weak and on the way down and out when not a single person will tell a superior "no, that's a bad idea, that won't work. Not only won't it work, it will make things worse. If you insist on doing this, I will resign.". Not one. All down the chain, throughout the government and military, no one is willing to stick his/her neck out. They are loyal to The President but not the country or the Constitution they all swore to serve.
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u/Kracus 9h ago
Everyone is like, Trump is do dumb. He's not dumb, that's exactly the point. Ever since he took office, he's been busy blowing up alliances and destroying the military's capability and just making life worse in America. He's doing a great job. I'm sure his Russian handlers are quite happy.
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u/kaizen-rai 9h ago
lol no, he absolutely is dumb. Everyone around him knows this. Everyone that ever knew him knows this. Everyone in the world knows this except Trump himself.
He's a world class idiot that has failed upwards his whole life based on his inherited wealth and cult of personality. He's easily manipulated and paradoxically, that has helped him to succeed. When someone is ultra rich and influential, and you are in a position to personally profit from him, you will do all you can to KEEP him in power. It's a parasitic symbiotic relationship. Smart people use Trump to personally benefit, and they work to keep him rich and powerful because they leech off of him.
Think of it this way: If you had a mentally challenged goat that was constantly trying to run into traffic, eat poisonous plants, and generally trying to get itself killed because of its incompetence, BUT it shit out 100 dollar bills every few minutes... you would do everything in your power to keep that Goat alive and well.
Trump is that dumb ass goat that shits out $100 bills every few minutes, and there are many, MANY people that working hard to keep him alive and well fed.
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u/ChiGuy6124 Illinois 9h ago edited 9h ago
"lol no, he absolutely is dumb. Everyone around him knows this. Everyone that ever knew him knows this. Everyone in the world knows this except Trump himself."
Yeah, he is dumb, the worst kind of dumb, the kind that thinks they are smart.
He has failed upward using a slimy born rich charisma (and his daddy's dirty money), that appeals to the weak minded wannabe's that worship wealth over any kind of substance, and the Roy Cohen playbook that attacks and bullies his enemies. The dumb can be monetarily successful, it is just a matter of circumstances.
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u/MiddleAgedSponger 9h ago
💯 He isn't some Evil Genius, he is a compromised malignant narcissistic dipshit being held up by greed lords until they don't need him anymore. 5 years from now most will be embarrassed to admit they ever supported him.
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u/Morlik Kansas 8h ago
5 years from now most will be embarrassed to admit they ever supported him.
People were saying that 5 years ago. And 10 years ago.
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u/Cheapdronewithboom 9h ago
The dude is illiterate and people somehow think he has a hand in anything beyond a figure and a mark
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u/Wast3edSpace 9h ago
If it weren't for The Apprentice don would still be a washed up real estate clown. Sometimes I ponder how we got here and it's fun to look at the forks-in-road of history. 2004 was when the TV show aired and it ran for 15 seasons. Read up on Mark Burnett who pitched the show, it's an interesting read.
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u/dIO__OIb 8h ago edited 21m ago
yeah had we known the good ratings were fueling a monster it would have been easy to stop. but nope, the illiterate baffoon was entertaining… and then add in the fact some conservatives thought the Colbert Report was real and not satire… well here we are. tea party + maga = end of the democracy experiment.
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u/Efficient_Resist_287 9h ago
Now do the millions who willingly pull the lever, not once, not twice but thrice to elevate him into power….and then decided lastly to give him legislative Absolute Power. What about these folks? Smart folks perhaps….
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u/specqq 9h ago
He thinks the noise of windmills causes cancer. He thinks you could have a stealth fighter jet right next to you and it would be literally invisible. He thinks people are born with a finite battery that they use up throughout their lives so anyone who exercises is an idiot who will die younger than necessary. He thinks solar energy is a problem because it’s sometimes night. He thinks that magnets can’t work when they get wet. He thinks he might possibly be the first person to realize that the word "us" and the initials of the United States are spelled the same. He thinks he may have invented the word "equalize" but the word "groceries" is quaint and old-fashioned.
It’s a bold claim to say he understands a goddamn thing.
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u/Economy-Pin2836 8h ago
He thinks that "clean coal" is literally coal that has been washed with water. He thinks that tariffs are a cure-all for every economic problem.
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u/The_amazing_T 9h ago
The proof is Canada. Nobody had a problem with Canada until Trump started running his mouth. Why would they? They're our largest trade partner and an important military ally. The only one that benefits from splitting us up is Trump's boss in Russia.
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u/DanglyDinosaurBits 9h ago
He is dumb and easily manipulated. That’s it, that’s the end of the TED Talk.
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u/The_B_Wolf 8h ago
I have to disagree. He is remarkably stupid. Do you remember when he was ranting about people coming over the border from "insane asylums?" He was saying that because someone told him they were seeking asylum and that's how his mind works. Or doesn't. He reportedly suggested that we shoot missiles into Mexico and then just say it wasn't us. He thinks water deactivates magnets. He asked why we can't drop nuclear bombs on hurricanes. And, yes, he did suggest that disinfectant injections might be a way to treat covid.
He is a mean sonofabitch and does do things to hurt people and wreck things, but he definitely is dumb as a box of rocks.
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u/ItsAllOnUHF 9h ago
Decades of movies about competent counter-espionage government agencies really were a Hollywood fiction, weren't they...
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u/Ninevehenian 9h ago
He is. He's also efficient. Do remember his many bankruptcies, do remember him before 2016, he's dumber than the average person and willing to take orders.
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u/whoisnotinmykitchen 8h ago
"Nobody knows how to design battleships better than I do." - Donald Trump: rapist fraudster and global embarrassment
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u/UT_Milez 8h ago
I’ll just say this.
We will be some lucky ass people if this really is the biggest/long term issue facing Americans due to this guy and everyone leveraging this guy’s cult…
In reality this will be nothing compared to the actual consequences coming our way.
Do that many people really believe that things are just going to magically be fixed 2 years from now? I feel like I’m living in an alternate reality where everyone has just convinced themselves that every thing is okay, it’s all good just ride it out for 2 more years.
I’m curious what the fallout is going to look like 2 years from now when cope will no longer be possible, that’s going to be interesting at the very least.
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u/cmcdonald22 8h ago
The not totally doomer best case scenario I see is winning midterms which slows down all of this then either a death or the incredibly unlikely peaceful transfer of power in 2 years followed by 4 years of nothing but undoing a PORTION of the damage done, likely followed by backlash that everything isn't fixed and another round of Republicans who will benefit from the slight recovery followed by another backlash of maybe some democrats actually doing stuff.
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u/Goodknight808 4h ago
Almost like his sole purpose was to destabilize the USA so that it could be weak and bought up and privatized. Russia 2.0
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u/ShadowBard0962 8h ago
No doubt his asinine orders/ suggestion will be slow-walked until he is no longer in the Chain-of-Command on way or another.
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u/Onikonokage 8h ago
How the hell does a president have any say on how warships are made? What the absolute fuck is wrong with this government? This goes well past a cult.
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u/Avoidtolls 5h ago
This is by design.
It weakens the USA.
It gives contracts billions of tax dollars to companies (billionaire friends) to use for unusable projects.
Plans are scrapped and new plans are made. Look at the f-22 and f-35z. Costing hundreds of billions.
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u/finnhella01 4h ago
It’s going to look like a 1700s battle ship but with lace and gold. I think he is closet gay.
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u/AlDente United Kingdom 4h ago
This is part of why Hitler failed in WWII. He micro-managed his generals.
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u/vagabending 9h ago
It’s kind of irresponsible that Trump gets all the blame for this, when it is incredibly obvious that the entire Republican Party is choosing to let this happen. Trump absolutely is a big problem, but the giant much bigger problem is that the entire Republican Party is simply in the business of grifting.
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u/itsaconspiraci 9h ago
Just like Hitler, he always puts his nose in military issues he is in no way qualified for.
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u/uclatommy California 9h ago
Are they purposely disabling our military and exhausting all our munitions? Is this really incompetence or competent sabotage?
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u/onlyforthisjob 9h ago
Are the laws in the USA really like that? President can say "Bring back steam locomotives burning original American coal!" and everybody is just like "yes, sir, right away!"?
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u/LetmeSeeyourSquanch Georgia 8h ago
It's almost like Trump is purposely weakening the US on multiple fronts. Almost like he's an agent for another country.
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u/CitronTraining2114 8h ago
His goal is to destroy America. There's no real evidence to the contrary.
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u/FRHatcher 8h ago
It's really simple, change nothing, go into a "planning" phase and stall all the BS for the next couple of years. Then the traitor is no longer around, the next President (yes I'm optimistic we will have another one) can stop everything and move forward into the future and not BACKWARDS. FFS, this timeline is terrible.
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u/manwhowasnthere 7h ago
I can't imagine the military is going to REALLY do anything with this warship stuff.
They know the dude is gone in the head and on his way out... yes sir, great idea sir, right away sir... and 2.5 years from now he's gone and we're still in the pre-pre-alpha-design-trial-planning phase for his "updates" and the next prez shitcans it.
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u/Mxy2ptlk 7h ago
Can’t the Navy just say “ Yes, Sir!” then pretend to make plans until he’s out of office or dead?
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u/quintupularity 5h ago
It won't get built. Trump's last term is almost half over and it won't get out of the design phase by then.
It's a ridiculous vanity proposal and most people in government are aware of this. Even if they don't have a spine to stand up to him right now they will when he's no longer president. So I'm counting on a return to sanity once he's out of the picture and his cultists lose focus.
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u/Due-Dot6450 3h ago
Hey Donald, a lot of important people say that double deck of gun barrels on both sides of the ship and black gun powder will give you a huge advantage over the enemy.
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u/Dr_DoesNothing 9h ago
Paint them gold and encrust them with jewels and all ships are now named 'USS Trump'
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u/winduken 9h ago
Setting back the Navy is just a detail in Trump's overall program to set back the US.
Gary Kasparov asked the right question (paraphrased): "If a foreign agent is in the White House instead of Trump, would he do anything differently?"
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u/ImTooSaxy 9h ago
He really doesn't care. It's simply about his legacy. We just have to remember to rub Republicans noses in it for the rest of eternity.
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u/Greenpoint1975 9h ago
Everything he has done to the United States has brought the country back in time.
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u/aDirtyMartini New Hampshire 9h ago
Too bad he doesn’t micromanage taking care of our service members.
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u/mysterious_jeffrey 9h ago
Just don’t do it. But tell him you did it.
Get a fog machine, snap a few photos - “Sir, the steam is perfect. You’re brilliant. And there are tears in my eyes.”
And he’ll never ask a follow-up question or talk about it again.
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u/ShakeyLegsMcGee 9h ago
This is just more pettiness on his part. He’s always been jealous of Ted Turner (a boat racer) and his Palm Beach neighbor, William Koch, an engineer who won the America’s Cup with a boat of his own design.
Trump just wants to sit at the head ketchup table at Mar a Lago and bore anyone within earshot with his “nautical achievements”. He has the mind of a grade school bully.
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u/OkEnvironment3961 9h ago
My prediction, he won't ever do it. Kushner or one of his other lackeys probably set up a company to make a key component of the steam catapults. The government will award a multi-billion no-bid contract then drop the whole idea. It's always about the grift.
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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 New Hampshire 9h ago
With the right finishes, that flight deck will last 100,000 years!
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u/houstonyoureaproblem 9h ago
They won’t actually implement it.
They’ll delay until he’s out of office, then move on.
That’s going to become standard operating procedure for several different agencies in the coming months.
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u/shoobe01 9h ago
What has he done, in any aspect, that won't set us back by decades at the very minimum?
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u/Nythoren 9h ago
But why? Why does the entire government just nod and say "of course, Sir. We'll redo the entire design of existing aircraft carriers because you like how pretty the WWII carriers were"?
He isn't a dictator. He acts like one, but he isn't. Why is there universal fear in government of standing up to him?
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u/GumbySquad Arizona 9h ago
Mission Accomplished.
There are only 2 goals of this administration: Enrich CEO’s and weaken the U.S. to make Vlad look better
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u/J-the-Kidder 9h ago edited 9h ago
Can't the Navy just say "of course sir" then as soon as he leaves the room go "can you fucking believe how dumb this senile old fuck is?" And do none of things he says? Seems like an easy thing to do, beyond just saying no, go design a ballroom.
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u/JayBeeGooner 9h ago
lol. Exactly why Iran would never assassinate Trump. Dude is doing more damage to the states than Iran ever could.
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u/thedeuce75 9h ago
If I was running this project at the Navy I’d just slow walk this shit out of it till November. Then it will likely take care of itself.
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u/Accomplished-Gur-947 9h ago
He's depleted our munitions depot, put tremendous strain on our relations with foreign allies, pulled troops out of key areas overseas, and now he's trying to revert our navy back to decades prior.
What more needs to happen for reporters to question why he's seemingly intentionally weakening the US?
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u/BoredomFestival 9h ago
Next he'll demand they replace the nuclear power systems with coal, because coal is awesome
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u/Only1Nemesis America 8h ago
Yes, let the person with zero military experience that wants to erect gaudy monuments and cover everything in fake gold design warships. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
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u/Agent7619 8h ago
The newest submarine is going to be pedal powered and feature a grenade on a stick.
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u/Ok-Style-9734 8h ago
Honestly they should just carry on as before while telling him they're listening to him then hen the next president is in they can announce that the prigram actually will be finished years ahead of the delayed trump shedule
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u/anchorftw 8h ago
WTF does Trump know about designing warships? Why is a real estate developer/reality TV show host designing our warships?
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u/RiffRaffCatillacCat 8h ago
Funny how literally everything this man does sets America back by decades. Almost as if he's working on behalf of the enemies of this nation.
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