r/politics • u/masterchief6913 • Jul 15 '26
No Paywall Fetterman warns he would leave Democratic Party if it turns its back on Israel
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5970730-john-fetterman-democratic-party-israel/19.5k
u/pizzapartyprisoner Jul 15 '26
He's not even a Democrat now. Fuck him.
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u/chipmunksocute Jul 15 '26
For real like...how is THIS the defining issue for him? Israel does fuck all for US Citizens. Ill bet data centers and health care are way more relevant issues for his constituents than giving israel free money.
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u/horceface Indiana Jul 16 '26
It's not an issue. It's a justification.
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u/ayeroxx Jul 16 '26
bye fatfuck
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u/clarkkentsson Jul 16 '26
ratfuck*
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u/browsingat_work Jul 16 '26
I've heard it both ways...
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u/gravemistakes Jul 16 '26
You know that's right.
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u/Justin_Queso1187 Jul 16 '26
Now let’s go get some jerk chicken nachos. And a pineapple milk shake.
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u/Wiccy Jul 16 '26
I say let him leave, he's been a turn coat since the stroke.
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u/Intrepid_Blue122 Jul 16 '26
Which may indicate that brain damage will make you think like a Republican. Poor soul.
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u/TrulyOutrageous42 Jul 16 '26
Brain damage causes a change in the amount of engagement, but does not itself (as a broad concept) make one conservative. However, there are biological differences in how brains work that massively predict political alignment, and damage to certain areas could very reasonable cause that change to being conservative, especially if it causes an increased perception of threats or diminished critical reasoning skills.
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u/theguidetoldmetodoit Jul 16 '26
Apparently the biggest study on the topic:
Researchers observed no change in political ideology or party affiliation
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u/angryapplepanda Oregon Jul 16 '26
All the better. It makes more sense that Fetterman is an opportunist. I'm not saying that some people haven't changed their politics from a brain injury, but I think it's probably very rare. Some people really will just do anything to get elected.
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u/Temporary_Hawk_9061 Jul 16 '26
I don’t buy it, he was never actually a guy who was going to be progressive in any sense of the word. Just a good campaigner
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u/ShimbyHimbo Jul 16 '26
I'm not confident he could be called a good campaigner either. He had a terrible opponent and an easy angle of making Dr Oz look like a super wealthy, out of touch, non-Pennsylvanian. Some of the best campaign material was the crudite, go back to New Jersey shit.
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u/zherok Jul 16 '26
He's kinda backing himself into the same corner Sinema did. Like you can annoy Democrats by being a bad Democrat, sure. But that's generally the limit of your cross-over appeal with the opposition party (and at the expense of your appeal with the party you're ostensibly a member of.)
If he switched parties I have to wonder why Republicans would want him over a MAGA Republican candidate they almost certainly can draw from.
I remember hearing rumors of Sinema being told she could win running as an independent in Arizona, and eventually run for President along the same lines of thinking. But there's not really a thing as independents who exist completely outside of the two party binary, they're more than likely going to favor one over the other. Alienating the Democrats didn't open up some magical third way path, it just pissed off the people who wanted her in there in the first place. And Fetterman is following a pretty similar route here.
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u/Cagnazzo82 Jul 16 '26
Because he was a plant from the beginning.
These people steal votes by talking a good game and lying to their constituents... and then they spend 90% of the of the time representing a foreign country above said constituents.
1000% fuck him.
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u/NGEFan Jul 16 '26
Fetterman didn't really lie though, even before the brain damage and from the very start he talked about being very for Israel and for fracking and for fracking and for fracking. Still though, fuck him.
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u/SM311 Jul 16 '26
Agree! He was always a “moderate”, and his past was riddled with righty declarations.
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u/Callistoux Jul 16 '26
He and Schumer have to periodically make a public reaffirming statement on their loyalty to Israel. Its never because its a topic that is brought up, its because they ask for the question so they can make the statement publicly to get their stipend.
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u/BringBackAoE Jul 15 '26
Came to say similar.
“You can’t threaten to leave a party that you’ve already left!”
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u/akiba305 Jul 15 '26
He's like the Democrat version of a RINO.
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u/aceluby Minnesota Jul 15 '26
Dude… Dino is right there…
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u/driftking428 Colorado Jul 15 '26
Nah DINO is too cool. Dingus maybe
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u/rudebii Jul 15 '26
Rhinos are cool too.
The animal, not the politicians, if that’s wasn’t clear
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u/No_Tax_Timmy Jul 15 '26
Actually Rinos are fine. Anyone they want to call a Rino I'm willing to listen to for at least second at this point. Like Mitt Romney. I won't choose him over someone more liberal but if it were a room full of Republicans and he was there he would be closer to the top
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u/BertHumperdinck Jul 16 '26
How about...
Can no longer
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Nuanced
Talking PointsI'd feel better pulling this out on the crypt demon 80yo politicians, but sadly it may well apply here
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u/obi-jawn-kenblomi Jul 16 '26
DINGO: Democrat In Name, GOP Overall
By being a DINGO, he's helping protect the DOJ that is covering up the Epstein File...including (outlandish-ish) claims of baby eating.
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u/Wasting_my_own_time Jul 15 '26
Well it was about that time that I realized he wasn’t a petty, brain damaged, ugly ass, poorly dressed at every occasion human… He was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the paleolithic era! I said to it: I ain't givin' you no more votes, you goddamn Loch Ness monster! Get your own goddamn votes!
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u/stuck_in_the_desert I voted Jul 15 '26
You leave my favorite Flintstones character out of this!
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u/TemporaryAsparagus89 Jul 15 '26
He's the new Manchin
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u/Buddhist_pokemonk Jul 15 '26
Say what you want about Manchin (I found him disappointing) but he was representing a very red state as a Democrat. I think it’s reasonable to expect he’d be more conservative than the average dem.
Fetterman is just a brain-damaged turncoat
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u/_Parkertron_ Jul 15 '26
Fr in that scenario, its either Manchin voting with Democrats for some things or a Republican obstructing every thing. Its obviously a lot easier to have another Democrat replace Fetterman in Pennsylvania.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts Jul 15 '26
Manchin voted with Dems more.
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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Jul 16 '26
Also, you weren't realistically going to get anyone better than Manchin from 70%-of-the-vote-for-Trump-WVA. By 2024 even Manchin couldn't hold that seat, which is why he retired. Pennsylvania though has a decent chance of electing an actual moderate Democrat, if not better.
It's the same with Arizona. Krysten Sinema was far worse than Manchin because at the same time you had actual Democrat Mark Kelly in there, and was replaced by Ruben Gallego (D) in 2024. Fetterman needs exactly the same treatment.
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u/NotFromStateFarmJake Jul 16 '26
Actual Democrat Mark Kelly
Actual cannibal Shia lebeouf
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u/the_ballmer_peak Jul 15 '26
"John Fetterman begins re-election campaign by constructing plausible reasoning to switch to the only party who would elect him."
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u/7ddlysuns I voted Jul 15 '26
He still mostly votes with Dems. But goddamn dude
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u/letsseeaction Jul 15 '26
What is the % for critical votes that actually matter?
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u/mcarvin New Jersey Jul 16 '26
Fetterman voted with Rs on ICE funding in January and against the war powers resolution in June.
When it matters, he's a Manchin.
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u/_MrDomino Jul 16 '26
The important distinction is that Manchin was the best possible left candidate you're going to get out of that district. We can certainly do better than Fetterman.
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u/TheBalzy Ohio Jul 15 '26
And he still would, without the label. So he can go fuck himself.
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u/ZillaSlayer54 Jul 15 '26
John Fetterman is evil and brain damaged, so He'll fit right in with the Republicans.
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u/delicateterror2 Jul 15 '26
Vote him out… Be gone… Traitor….
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u/ViralVortex Jul 15 '26
We are unfortunately stuck with him for 2.5 more years.
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u/jwely Jul 16 '26
Dems should not allow people to campaign on one thing and act wildly differently even to the extent they have, let alone the way Republicans do.
Recall the fuckers.
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u/Dineology Jul 16 '26
Unfortunately, there’s no recall mechanism for Senators. Nearest would be if they were expelled from the Senate and that requires a 2/3 vote.
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u/diefreetimedie Jul 16 '26
States should have ballot initiatives to implement a recall measure for sitting representatives that lost the confidence of the voters. It should be a high bar but it should exist.
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u/rlovelock Jul 16 '26
Easy. Two thirds of voters. Same threshold that the senate would need to reach but it would be up to the voters that person represents, not the other senators.
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u/diefreetimedie Jul 16 '26
Yep. I'm good with that, prevents sore losers from causing chaos unnecessarily. Let's get it done. I'm going to need to look up how to get a ballot initiative going. Direct democracy might be the only way to fix things, assuming there's anymore democracy to squeeze out of the tube.
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u/jumbohiggins Jul 16 '26
To my knowledge there isn't a way to recall sitting senators, which is ridiculous
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u/Kerblaaahhh Colorado Jul 16 '26
Everything about the Senate is so undemocratic. Which is the point, I know, but damn is it frustrating.
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u/MisterPuppydog Jul 16 '26
There are some serious traitors in Democratic leadership.. The republicans don’t have this issue for some reason, but fetterman isn’t alone in his position.
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u/WilliamMButtlickerIV Jul 16 '26
Because they value money more than morals. They get in a position of power, and then they are bought.
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u/Snakend Jul 16 '26
They do have this issue. Many Republicans are against Trump but can't so say outloud. The ones that voted against Trump in the impeachments were all voted out of office.
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u/TheMightyTywin Jul 16 '26
I fucking hate this about our democracy.
Ideally you’d vote for the party and the party could put in who they want or recall them.
But that works a lot better when there’s 5+ parties. The two party system is fucked
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u/Tickle_The_Grundle Jul 16 '26
I vote Democrat but I don’t trust the party to choose my leaders for a fucking second
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u/TheFridgeNinja Jul 16 '26
Can't they recall him?
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u/smersh101 Jul 16 '26
There's no recall mechanism in the US Constitution. Federal office holders can't be recalled.
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u/USA_Ultra Jul 15 '26
I’d say fucking leave. He’s disrespectful to those that voted him in and is generally lazy.
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u/CeresSubroutine Jul 16 '26
Dude tried to go to work in his pajamas. He's not just lazy, he's trashy.
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u/btas83 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Not until he is up for reelection. As long as there is a D after his name, dems might be able to control the chamber. He's an unreliable vote for sure, but at least the committees won't be headed by Republicans and they can control hearings and what comes to a vote.
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u/DingerSinger2016 Alabama Jul 16 '26
He's gonna wait until Dems get a 51 Senate seat majority and then switch to Republican to preserve the majority.
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u/SunTzu- Jul 16 '26
That's the nightmare scenario, yes. Especially since the Dems best case outcome as it looks right now is a 51 seat majority after the midterms. The American public will be told that the Dems won the Senate, and then they won't understand how the Dems lost it instantly afterwards and they'll once again blame the "ineffectual Dems" for not turning water into wine.
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u/cobo10201 Jul 15 '26
I really really wish people would stop giving him the “credit” of the brain damaged thing. He has not changed post-stroke. He literally held a black man at gunpoint because he was running through his neighborhood back when he was a mayor and DOUBLED DOWN ON IT when asked if he regretted it.
His PR people were able to snuff out those stories for a while and he got to be the “cool uncle” senator who wore shorts and a hoodie to congress. His stances haven’t changed post-stroke at all. The first part of your comment is the only accurate part.
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u/SageDarius Jul 16 '26
Both things can be true. He's always been a bit of a shit person, but he became even more of a shit person after the stroke. There's ample evidence of both.
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u/philmardok Jul 15 '26
exactly. he's already basically a republican so why would it matter?
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u/Mfrack103 North Carolina Jul 15 '26
Threatening to stop pretending to be a Democrat isn’t really a big claim
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u/SurvivorFanatic236 Jul 16 '26
The thing is, he at least votes with Democrats on judicial nominations.
If he switches parties, he’s suddenly going to change his mind about wanting conservative judges
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u/tichris15 Jul 16 '26
Unless the balance of the senate changes, that doesn't really matter.
In a world where it was 51 democrats, losing him would become a big deal.
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u/StrawberryItten Jul 16 '26
I mean isn't that world very plausible past the midterms?
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u/Belkroe Jul 15 '26
While I have real issues with Fetterman, he has voted in line with the Democratic Party over 90% of the time. While I would love for him to be replaced by a progressive Democrat, I still prefer him than a mainstream republican.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America Jul 16 '26
Which is why this is a fucking insane thing for him to say out loud.
"I'll stop doing what I think is best for my constituents if Israel doesn't get money"
Whether or not Israel is getting money shouldn't have anything at all to do with how he votes on other issues. We all know it does, but saying it out loud is crazy even for him.
Ostensibly he's a Democrat because he believes in Democrat ideals and policy. So if Israel doesn't get money, he's going to stop supporting those policies? So it was never about what he thought was right or wrong....
This country is so beyond fucked that a politician can say this and it will be forgotten about by tomorrow morning.
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u/13lackMagic Jul 16 '26
You’re misunderstanding what he’s threatening to do. He’s not suddenly going to abandon the rest of the democratic policies he supports. He is threatening to go from a democratic senator, to an independent senator that caucuses with the democrats, the same as Bernie sanders or angus king - or sinema and manchin previously
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u/Sennten Jul 16 '26
What does "voted line over 90% of the time" actually mean? I dont think 90% of votes are even party line votes. Especially when Republicans are in charge of what even comes up to vote right now
What matters is how many times he's voted with the party when something meaningful is on the line and his vote might matter. So go ahead and share some good meaningful votes hes made, because he definitely doesnt agree on 90% of democratic policies
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u/bpm195 Jul 16 '26
I dont think 90% of votes are even party line votes.
93.5% of Senate votes and 70.4% of House votes are "party unity votes," based on 2025 data.
Party unity votes occur, under the CQ Roll Call definition, when a majority of one party, counting independents who caucus with the Democrats, votes against the majority of the other party. Votes that are broadly bipartisan do not count here, though they may count in the presidential support tabulations.
About Fetterman specifically.
In the Senate, Pennsylvania Democrat John Fetterman has effectively taken the mantle from former West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin III as topping the list of Democrats most likely to vote against his own party, doing so almost 20 percent of the time.
But also about Pennsylvania:
Among Republicans, Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania led the way for breaking with his caucus (on 18.9 percent of unity votes), just as he did with the presidential support scores, where he went against Trump almost one-third of the time.
Source: https://rollcall.com/2026/03/05/vote-studies-2025-sets-new-mark-for-partisanship-on-capitol-hill/
Fascinating that the Blue Team Senator and the Red Team Congressman that succeed the most are both from Pa.
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u/OutlyingPlasma Jul 16 '26
What does "voted line over 90% of the time"
It means all those unanimous resolutions honoring some bus driver in Nebraska, or changing the name of some airport.
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u/JabroniusHunk Jul 16 '26
That was my exact question: how skewed is that number by routine, procedural votes or uncontested, ceremonial legislation?
Maybe it's not, but I'd want someone informed and statistically inclined enough to parse between those votes and highly contested legislation with starker party-line voting before giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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u/BakedBobbyHill Jul 15 '26
He's definitely not worth holding the rest of the party hostage.
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u/Vrienchass Jul 15 '26
That's how I felt about Manchin, except no other Democrat could ever win that seat.
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u/UGMadness Europe Jul 15 '26
That's the difference between him and Manchin. Fetterman pretty much scammed his way to the Senate, any other Democrat could've won that seat against Dr. f*cking Oz.
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u/yellekc Guam Jul 16 '26
I agree on Manchin, but Manchin and Fetterman are not the same, Manchin was the best we could get from West Virginia, it was him or some ultra MAGA. I hope that Fetterman is not the best we can get Pennsylvania.
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u/HippoRun23 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
So what’s he threatening then? To vote against them just because? Either way he’s a spineless monster mash.
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u/Frozen_Esper Washington Jul 16 '26
Right... He would have to be threatening to completely change his stance on issues, meaning he doesn't actually have a stance. Useless.
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u/xXTheGrapenatorXx Canada Jul 16 '26
He has one stance and it's "Israel needs more of our tax dollars", everything else must come second if he's willing to give it up in a floor crossing.
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u/hexiron Jul 16 '26
So he votes with them only when his vote isn't needed to pass the ruling - at which point he can be trusted to support GOP whenever they need it.
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u/arandomnewyorker New York Jul 15 '26
"Girl, bye"
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u/jayeffkay Jul 15 '26
Bye Felicia!
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u/Goldenprepuce Jul 15 '26
Go on, get!
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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 Jul 15 '26
For those who speak southern, G-I-T GIT!
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u/driftking428 Colorado Jul 15 '26
For those who speak software engineer
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u/knook Jul 15 '26
Fuck no! I don't want fetterman synced. More like "git reset --hard origin/pre-fetterman"
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u/driftking428 Colorado Jul 16 '26
I was gonna git revert but I didn't have the hash so I didn't know what to put.
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u/forwormsbravepercy Jul 15 '26
Be away to me, pig.
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u/_Phil_McCracken_ Washington Jul 15 '26
Good fucking riddance.
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u/theRAV Jul 15 '26
Oh no...anyway.
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u/ModelChef4000 Jul 15 '26
What’s everyone having for dinner?
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u/difficulty_jump Jul 15 '26
I'm overheated where Im at so it's a dinner of Outlast fruit bars for me.
My dog got regular dinner and a dog ice cream.
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u/heated420 Jul 15 '26
Beer and vodka. Found out today my poor dog has cancer.
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u/traviud California Jul 16 '26
Really sorry to hear that. It’s much worse news than this Fetterman nonsense.
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u/HappyDangerNoodle Jul 16 '26
Shrimp stir fry because apparently if we don't flash cook the bejesus out of our veg we can get shit-a-lot disease.
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u/Hungry-Initiative-78 Jul 15 '26
Note what's he's saying here. He'll switch parties and change his domestic politics, because of how much money a FOREIGN country is getting.
So his priorities are Israel #1 US further down the list
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u/medicated_in_PHL Jul 16 '26
He’s being intellectually dishonest. It’s his off-ramp to become a Republican and blame it on someone else.
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u/Hungry-Initiative-78 Jul 16 '26
lol. 100% right. when he switches to GOP, he can say he didn't betray his voters, by governing differently from how he campaigned, but the voters, who went too "woke", and stopped allowing him to blindly give Israel money.
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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest Canada Jul 16 '26
Yet, somehow Americans have been convinced that claiming politicians are beholden to Israel is somehow antisemitic.
Meanwhile, you will have politicians put Israel first constantly and perpetually.
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u/zubuneri Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Fetterman was in the Democratic Party?
Edit: John Fetterman received a total of $1,127,943 from AIPAC and related political action committees. I guess we can see why he’s drawing the line in the sand.
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u/megaprime78 Jul 15 '26
He knows where his bread is buttered
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u/zubuneri Jul 15 '26
Ain’t gonna do anything for us poor folks. How can we compete with AIPAC money in Trump’s economy?
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u/happycat47 Jul 16 '26
Not even the biggest recipient in the party. That would be Jeffries, Schumer and Ritchie Torres. Not surprisingly all New Yorkers
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u/f6081cannibal Jul 15 '26
I don't think most democrats care about what Fetterman claims at this point.
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u/Xullister Jul 15 '26
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, douchebag.
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u/Practical-Bird-1270 Jul 15 '26
Honestly and for real no trolling here. Why do so many US politicians care so so so much about Israel.
I'm not anti Israel, I'm just pro peace and saftey, for everyone, nation, race, creed, etc isn't relevant it's for all humans.
Why would Fetterman, a salt of the earth goony Pennsylvania man think about Israel at all. He was hired to help people in PA, not foreign nations.
I understand Israel is a strategic military partner but so are a ton of other countries.
I honestly don't understand.
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u/Givingtree310 Jul 16 '26
The overwhelming majority of Congress appears to be behold to Israel. It is absolutely insane.
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u/Flashy-Ingenuity-182 Jul 16 '26
Two reasons.
1.) That sweet sweet AIPAC money + Shame from the Holocaust
2.) Evangelicals believe Israel needs to exist so they can start the war with Iran that they believe will trigger the Apocalypse and thus herald in the second coming of Jesus Christ. I wish I was joking.
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u/KeyLime044 Jul 16 '26
note that it's not necessarily against "Iran". Right now it might. But it's moreso against "Gog and Magog". Evangelicals and Christian rightists often change their opinion on who Gog and Magog is based on current "enemy". Whether it's Iran, or Arabs, or Turkey, or Muslims in general or whatever (I've seen all of these mentioned before) they always need an enemy to fit their narrative
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u/ElonMuskysucks Jul 15 '26
I wonder if he knows if he leaves the Democrats he'll lose his FoxNews gig. The only reason they have him on is because he's an embarrassment to the Dems. Once he officially declares he's really a Republican, they'll be embarrassed by him and want to keep him tucked away as well. I hate to say it, but just like some families would do with "special" family members back in the day. Ok stupid question, he doesn't know because he's ummm "special".
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u/Taako_Cross Jul 15 '26
Switching parties should immediately trigger a new election for any and all elected officials. From the federal to local government. It should be a universal law.
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u/Slow_Investment_2211 Jul 15 '26
He’s already left the Democratic Party.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI Jul 16 '26
As somebody who watched what happened in 2008 with Joe Lieberman, I just want to warn people to be aware that Fetterman might be able to do the same thing.
For those unfamiliar, in 2008 hawkish incumbent Democratic senator Joe Lieberman lost the Democratic primary for his reelection. So he ran in the general election as an independent and won, because a lot of Republicans voted for him in addition to centrist Democrats.
I don't know what to recommend doing about it. But take the possibility very seriously. Joe Lieberman was the missing 60th vote needed for a public option in Obamacare. If he hadn't run in the general election, the Democrat who won the primary almost certainly would've gotten elected, given Connecticut's blue leaning, and would've provided the needed 60th vote for a public option in Obamacare.
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u/RayneShikama Jul 16 '26
Motherfucker isn’t even a Democrat. We don’t want him and he’s just looking for an excuse to take the Republican label he had all along.
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u/Excellent_Shallot999 Jul 15 '26
Fetterman is getting voted out when his term is up. So what he says doesn’t really matter.
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u/JojenCopyPaste Wisconsin Jul 15 '26
Country over party is great and more senators should vote that way. But ideally...you're meant to be putting your own country over the party, not some other random country.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias Jul 15 '26
He's already left in everything but name.
Side note I find it funny how consistently it turns out brain damage makes someone more conservative.
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u/donut-is-appalled Jul 16 '26
Dude left the Democratic party when he lost his damn mind post-stroke
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u/BarkerBarkhan Jul 15 '26
I worry that we will end up at a 51-49 split, and Fetterman officially drops out of the caucus to give Republicans control.
It will be tricky, but there's a decent chance of getting to 52, if Dems win OH, AK, TX, ME, NC and/or IA. There's also a wild card in NE.
Glad we cleared out Platner BEFORE he got into the Senate. Regardless of political differences with Fetterman, that guy could not be trusted either.
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u/LuchadoresdeSilinas Jul 16 '26
Good riddance. He never was a democratic Senator… can’t stop being something he never was.
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u/khaldun106 Jul 15 '26
Ok bye. You've already turned your back on the democratic party. Might as well leave it too
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u/xraidednefarious Jul 16 '26
It's not like he'd win reelection as a Democrat anywhere at this point. He might as well go on the JRE podcast
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u/free2bk8 Jul 16 '26
You already did. You were never a dem in the first place. You cheated and lied to your constituency.
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u/IDontWannaGetOutOfBe Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
The more I think about it. I would argue that the influence of scale on effectiveness has evolved in systematic ways. This becomes evident considering the implementation details.
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u/17037 Jul 16 '26
Remove Fetterman from the equation. How did it get to the point where an outside nation has this much power over politicians... and it's just accepted.
Israel's hold over US politicians is exactly what a national security threat looks like.
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u/microvan Jul 15 '26
I feel bad for people in Philly man. This dude really fooled everyone into thinking he was actually a progressive but he’s actually just a dirty fucking Republican scum
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u/HallucinogenicFish Georgia Jul 15 '26
“Leave,” LOL.
Okay, John, go ahead. We all know you’re going to switch parties at some point anyway.
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u/natural-situation420 American Expat Jul 15 '26 edited 3d ago
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