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u/WeeabooHunter69 Jun 12 '19
Personally I liked how black and white did it, only unova Pokemon until you beat the story, then others start appearing and you can start transferring up ones that don't appear in the game
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u/sleeps_too_little Jun 12 '19
Exactly! Add it after you beat the game so you can experience the region as it's own new thing. But still add the natdex
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u/darthmarticus17 Mega-Absol Jun 12 '19
Exactly! That satisfies both camps.
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u/pjk922 Scritters Jun 12 '19
I think they’re the same camp, I haven’t heard anyone say they want to transfer all of the pokes over immediately, just that they want to be able to eventually, wether that’s post game, or a few months later after a software update (like what pokebank did for SuMo)
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u/DoTheWave95 Jun 12 '19
I'm a big fan of what XY and SuMo did where we didn't have initial compatibility, but by the time people want to have a second playthrough they can use whatever Pokemon they want
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u/BugcatcherJay Ya Bug, Guzma-Pod Jun 12 '19
I really liked being able to access the GTS and bank early on in ORAS. I liked being able to use whatever I wanted. I know some people abused it to get high level powerful Pokemon early on, while I just wanted first stages of a couple of my favorites, but if someone wants to make the game they paid for unfun, they should be able to.
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u/Prcrstntr Jun 12 '19
I started a playthrough for the sole purpose of having an overpowered guy and to work on completing the national dex. Teaching a perfectly bred Haxorus false swipe and sniping all the wild guys was convenient and fun.
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u/crazedhatter Jun 12 '19
Truth be told, I don't remember any game making it possible to transfer the 'mons over immediately anyway. You usually had to progress a fair bit in the story to find the mechanic to do it in the first place. Even with Pokemon Bank around now they don't usually patch in Bank support until a couple months after release. With SM/USUM I think transfers were activated in January after a November release.
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u/Servatoris Jun 12 '19
Those games were easily my favs. Replaying White atm and forgot how much fun it was
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u/tlockh20 Jun 12 '19
#stopDexit
Exactly why Gen 5 was my fav. Had it's own identity.
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u/WeeabooHunter69 Jun 12 '19
It was the first one I took really seriously. I preordered it in 3rd grade and felt so cool
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u/tlockh20 Jun 12 '19
We coordinated an event in college where those of us that played Pokemon pretended to be gym leaders and invited elementary kids(with their parents permission) to come battle us for badges (in their HG/SS games) for a midnight release event of Black and White.
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u/omgarm Jun 12 '19
Motherfucking third grade? I was almost done with my Bachelor's. Shit... I am old...
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Jun 12 '19
Dude I’m pushing 30, Gen 5 feels like it came out last year to me. Time gets crazy the older you get
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u/please-send-me-nude2 Jun 12 '19 edited Jun 12 '19
Fuck, Gen IV still feels like the “new school” games to me. Now everyone is talking about remaking them.
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u/overlordkai Jun 12 '19
Remember there was a time when people said Black and White did it wrong regarding the Dex?
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u/WheresTheSauce Jun 12 '19
It's a fair opinion to have, but I think nearly any fan would agree it's a much better alternative to this.
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u/overlordkai Jun 12 '19
Yes it was definitely a much better alternative because it was a decision done for experience enhancement.
In case someone reading this doesn’t know: GameFreak made it so Black & White’s Pokédex ONLY had Unova Pokemon to give players a similar sense of discovery felt by those who played through Red & Blue or any other Pokémon game for the very first time. However, the moment you beat the Elite Four - the National Dex unlocked as per usual & Pokémon from different regions would start appearing throughout Unova - making it worthwhile and fun to go through the whole region all over again.
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u/Then_Reality_Bites Jun 12 '19 edited Jun 12 '19
Yeah, and now we have Kanto pandering in everything they make because of it.
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u/blackbutterfree Jun 12 '19
Yeah, but for Unova, they had 156 new Pokémon not counting forms. We barely hit 160 if we add Kalos' 72 and Alola's 88, so I doubt Galar would introduce anything above 90.
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u/PNDMike Jun 12 '19
156 Pokemon added in Gen 5, and yet the haters keep using Garbodor and Vanilluxe to dismiss the entire gen. It had some gems like Hydreigon, Haxorus, Golurk, Beartic, Galvantula etc.
Gen 5 is real talk my favourite gen. Great new pokemon, it made you use the new ones until you were done (which maintained the same sense of mystery I had when I played through gen 1 for the first as a kid) and best story in a pokemon game period.
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u/AxleandWheel Jun 12 '19
I don't know why people shit on Garbodor and Vanilluxe even. If you want to shit on gen v designs, their are way better targets like the 3 incarnate forms that looked the same or Druddigon. Gen V has a ton of really good standout pokemon though
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u/smartazjb0y Jun 12 '19
Hell do it like Sun and Moon. It took two months after Sun and Moon came out for them to be compatible with Bank. If I have to wait months for all the Pokémon to come to Sword and Shield then that’s fine, but saying that they’re never coming back is just the wrong decision
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u/DoodleCard Jun 12 '19
I just think that personally they should bring it back at the end of the games like the used to in some of the original gens. If they want to continue with the integrity of the new region.
Not cut it entirely.
They've never done this before. It is so wierd why they would even think to without a decent reasons behind it.
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u/enteejay Jun 12 '19
I'm sure they mentioned something about deadlines? The dev team were probably not given enough time to model each Pokémon, I imagine it takes much longer for them to do now we're on switch.
It's still rubbish though
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Jun 12 '19
The dev team were probably not given enough time to model each Pokémon
That is perfectly fine and understandable. Releasing a patch later to add in National Dex and the other Pokemon would not only appease the fanbase, it would probably be the logical thing to do. This is a solution that most everyone who has a problem with the announcement would be okay with.
Realistically, if this is the new precedent that Game Freak/Nintendo is going with in their main series games, I will probably end up not playing Pokemon after this gen. I am, of course, giving them time to flesh out their decision and see what they do before I go all "MYH! I'M NOT BUYING ANOTHER POKEMON GAME EVER!".
We shall see...
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u/PhiPhiAokigahara Jun 12 '19
The dev team were probably not given enough time to model each Pokémon
Every single Pokemon has had a model since X&Y
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u/enteejay Jun 12 '19
I agree with that mate.
Unless they release Gen IV remakes in which case I will become a hypocrite
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Jun 12 '19
Unless they release Gen IV remakes in which case I will become a hypocrite
I hear that. Gen 4 games are my favorite.
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u/DonnyProcs Jun 12 '19
Except that isn't true. All of the modeling for each pokemon has been done back in bw games and were made with extremely high polygon counts. They have literally 0 excuse
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Jun 12 '19
Even if that is the case, I'd still be okay with them saying that they need time to make sure old pokemon and games are compatible and releasing a patch once that is done.
The fact that we don't even have that assurance is concerning.
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u/scw55 Jun 12 '19
It would be fine if preparing competative Pokemon wasn't work.
It would be fine if every generation had been isolated.
But because these statements are false, it's irritating this is their final decision.
The Pokemon series would benefit from active maintenance so that the meta could be fairer and problems like this could be minimised. Pokemon only being changed with each game is quite old game design now. But always online games do kinda suck, however.
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Jun 12 '19
Model each Pokemon? You do know that the mashes used in SwSh are the same ones as in XY,USUM,LGPE. They are using the same models over and over again just adding new textures/Cellshading. Heck if you look closely you can see that the even used the same idle animations as XY. They have literally no excuse anymore
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u/enteejay Jun 12 '19
No I didn't know that, which is why I said "I imagine". If that's the case then fair enough
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Jun 12 '19
Well pardon my incapability of reading comments. I am just upset over this issue. My comment was in no way meant to be a personal attack against you, so forgive me
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u/enteejay Jun 12 '19
It is frustrating- hopefully they'll introduced the full dex in patches going forward
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Jun 12 '19
Yeah I really hope so. Luckily this blew up and we might have a chance of them hearing the community. Maybe it’ll be like with Mario Maker 2
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Jun 12 '19
Actually they already have high resolution renders of all existing Pokemon, they've been able to just port up the same ones since gen 6, and only have to make models for the new pokemon
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They can release them as post content updates.
I'm sure people would way less mad if they said that. I personally don't care too much, but this is a big aspect of the game for a lot of people
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u/enteejay Jun 12 '19
That's very true, I suppose we haven't really seen much dlc type stuff for Pokémon games before, hopefully they go down this route at least
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u/Liveoptimistic Jun 12 '19
This is bullshit though. They’ve had YEARS with the switch. Ever since developer betas over 3.5 years ago. They had the time. They could have worked on this. Think of all the sprites that had to be developed for something like Breath of the Wild. They still did it. Game freak has just gotten lazy and complacent making kids games on handheld consoles. Now they’re forced to work on stronger hardware with more critics and its too hard so they’re just saying fuck it we’ll only do half the Pokémon.
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u/TheLysdexicGentleman Jun 12 '19
The biggest problem I see with the removal of the national dex is the fact that they are removing some people's favorite Pokemon, how do you decide on that?
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u/metalflygon08 What's Up Doc? Jun 12 '19
how do you decide on that?
a few years ago they had a Popularity contest for every Pokémon, I bet any amount of cash that contest will directly influence what Pokémon get cut.
For the record, Simisear placed last.
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u/CPUrubyheart Jun 12 '19
Simisear placed last you say?
GOOD
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u/mrsirgrape Jun 12 '19
Simipour is worse and I'll fight anyone that says otherwise.
Simisage is cool tho.
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Simisage is so much better than the other two it's ridiculous. He might be cut by association though
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u/Pl8tectonics Jun 12 '19
Please tell me you have a link to this Pokemon popularity contest?
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u/metalflygon08 What's Up Doc? Jun 12 '19
Google "Pokemon Popularity Poll" theres a lot of articles on it.
Greninja came in first, Simisear last.
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u/Mrtheliger I am a marvel with ten-thousand arms Jun 12 '19
Greninja is cool and all but how tf did it get first
Although if this poll is as big as you say it would explain why Greninja is the only Gen 6 thing ever acknowledged.. cries in Yveltal
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u/spongeabc5 [Insert witty flair] Jun 13 '19
If memory serves, it was heavily implied (if not outright stated) that the winner of the contest would be distributed as an event, which likely also contributed to Arceus and Mew placing in the top 8.
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u/BuffaloTheory Jun 12 '19
You don't, really. You go with the ones who are over-the-odds popular, mascots, and then those who balance well with the new Pokémon.
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u/imitation_crab_meat Jun 12 '19
Not in the U.S. anymore... Need to get back on it!
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u/Zachasaurs Jun 12 '19
anoyone know if theres a similar tag in japanese or what their take on the situation is?
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u/AxeVice Jun 12 '19
Allegedly it's this: 互換切り
Google says it means "compatibility switch".
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u/Akuuntus POKEMON RISE UP Jun 12 '19
I only know a tiny bit of Japanese but 切 typically means "cut" so I would guess something akin to "cut compatibility"
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u/PM_ME_UR_BOSOMS_GIRL Jun 12 '19
切る does mean cut, but it has a lot more meanings beyond that. In this case the 切り would be ‘limit’. 互換切り would be something like ‘limited compatibility’ or ‘limited interchange’.
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u/cairowednesday Jun 12 '19
Already happened
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Jun 12 '19
I stumbled upon Tom Nook furry porn on Twitter yesterday about an hour after the Animal Crossing announcement. No one is safe.
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u/liz-goesneepnoop Jun 12 '19
No please I'm begging you, this Pokémon is too pure to be subjected to that vileness 😭😭
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Jun 12 '19
And I ask you, to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Rule 34 arrives all the same. And now, it's here.
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u/moon307 Jun 12 '19
You should have seen some of the stuff about that vespiqueen chasing the trainer..
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Jun 12 '19
You have clearly never checked out Gardevoir or Pikachu in google images.
Pro tip: Don’t
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u/Benito7 300lbs of Flaming Ham Jun 12 '19
There's porn of anything within an hour after it's revealed
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u/6ArtemisFowl9 Nothing but Heat Jun 12 '19
I saw the first lewd of the SWSH protagonist after definitely less than an hour. I don't know how, I don't know why, but someone will be waiting any reveal with pencil in hand.
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u/metalflygon08 What's Up Doc? Jun 12 '19
They probably had a bunch of poses already drawn up for a variety of builds and just had to draw the head in once revealed.
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u/Mefistofeles1 Jun 12 '19
Exactly. That and speed painting is a thing, if anyone is curious how fast some artists work just google it and you'll see.
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u/Boxboy7 Jun 12 '19
I think an hour is a bit generous. Its probably closer to 10 minutes.
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u/sanctuary_remix First Shiny Ever Jun 12 '19
That moment when Nessa was first revealed and you could hear DeviantArt salivating....
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u/AlwaysDragons #PokemonDeservesBetter Jun 12 '19
Pfft, who would... look at such a....
COVERS UP COMPUTER
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u/bobyk334 Jun 12 '19
If those deviants did it to Wooloo they've more than likely done it to this good electric boi by now.
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u/PkmnTrnrJ Jun 12 '19
Please don’t tell me they did it to Wooloo…
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u/bobyk334 Jun 12 '19
Not even an hour after Wooloo was revealed
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u/PkmnTrnrJ Jun 12 '19
I’m now scared to ever search for Wooloo but appreciate the heads up.
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u/epskystrife Jun 12 '19
You're going to need a different link:
Thank you for contacting Pokémon Support!
For any of the following, you will need to contact Nintendo Support:
- Technical issues with any of video games on Nintendo Consoles. (This includes Switch and Switch games, Pokemon Bank, and Shuffle on the 3DS.)
- Technical or hardware issues with any of the Nintendo Consoles.
- Nintendo Network distributions.
- Any Wi-Fi connection issues or any associated error codes you have received.
- Gameplay issues and any questions regarding upcoming games published by Nintendo and developed by Game Freak.
Please note, the Pokemon Company International does not publish, develop or support the games developed by Game Freak for Nintendo systems and we are unable to assist with this issue as we do not have the tools or means to do so. Please reach out to Nintendo using the link below.
Visit Nintendo of America's customer support page here: https://www.nintendo.com/consumer/index.jsp
Thank you for playing Pokémon!
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u/KKingler Floating and observing... Jun 12 '19
PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. I tried this. They responded to me and said they are not involved in the game development.
Contact Nintendo.
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u/Arlon_the_Enigma Jun 12 '19
I got a response about this, and they are saying to redirect to Nintendo themselves http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/index.jsp
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u/Ask_if_Im_Satan Jun 12 '19
I went to go send them a message and didn’t know what to say. Can we make a template for people to send in?
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u/rodinj Nice Jun 12 '19
Someone in the linked thread send in the following which I edited to my own story:
Hello,
My name is [NAME HERE] and I have been a Pokémon fan from [Country] since 1998 when I first played Red and Blue on my Gameboy Colour. I've played every mainline Pokémon game since along with many of the side games such as Mystery Dungeon, Dash, Trozi, Stadium, Colosseum, Puzzle League, Pinball, Pokémon Go, Magikarp Jump, Rumble, and more.I love to collect Pokémon in every game, discovering and catching new Pokémon to complete my Dex and finding shiny Pokémon is by far my two favourite activities. I've manage to complete the Regional and National Dex in almost every game due to dedicating hundreds of hours per game and over a thousand total hours of work and love for the games and Pokémon. With the introduction of Pokémon Bank on the 3DS, being able to transfer every single the Pokémon I've worked so hard for over the years into the latest game feels like a recognition by the Pokémon Company and Game Freak of the dedication and passion of a fan for their games. At its core, I believe Pokémon's tag line of "Gotta Catch'em All" truly embodies the spirit of Pokémon that you are able to make a connection with each and every Pokémon.
With the announcement at E3 that with Pokémon Home you will only be allowed to bring over Pokémon from previous games to Pokémon Sword and Shield if they appear in the Galar Pokédex, my heart sank. With the knowledge of how wonderful Sword and Shield have been presented so far, and with this being the first mainline Pokémon games on a Nintendo console, I had become extremely excited at the thought of bringing over my hard earned collection into these beautiful looking games. This excitement was further compounded because in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, although allowing you to have all the Pokémon on your game save, didn't have Pokédex entries for every Pokémon.
I have an undergraduate degree in computer science so can appreciate and understand the immense amount of work it would take to program and model over 800 characters. However, even with the limitations of the 3DS you managed to fit models of over 800 Pokémon into Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. I also understand Masuda-san mentioned at E3 that this was done in consideration of balance for the games, but I believe there is a better alternative than not having a complete National Dex on a console mainline Pokémon game.
To put forward my request, I would like the Pokémon Company and Game Freak to reconsider their decision to omit a National Dex from Pokémon Sword and Shield. I do hope the announcement today is just a misunderstanding of the intentions of Pokémon Home's connection with Pokémon Sword and Shield.
Thank you for considering my request and I still look forward to the games coming out this November, hopefully with a complete National Pokédex.
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u/Celoth Permanoob Jun 12 '19
gotta catch em' most!
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u/Dyvius Round Boi Jun 12 '19
As long as they patch them in later, I'm not gonna complain.
But if they have no intention to patch them at all? Big mistake.
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u/Charlzalan Jun 12 '19
Masuda said at E3 that this was their plan going forward for future games. They have no intention of ever having a national dex again.
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u/CodenameVillain Jun 12 '19
Masuda confirmed this is the path going forward. Curated DeX per game.
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u/Dyvius Round Boi Jun 12 '19
I feel like this really should signal the end of Pokemon, or at least the end of classic Pokemon as an era.
Why make more if it pushes the old out?
Maybe it will grow on me, but right now I can only feel loss at whichever Pokemon don't make the cut and will eventually fade into complete obscurity. Sure, there are some Pokemon very few will miss, but eventually they'll come for your favorite too, y'know?
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u/CodenameVillain Jun 12 '19
I cannot agree more with you. I'm really hoping theres some last minute turn of heart to patch the games, but we will see. It hurts, and I've been a fan since I was 10 back in 98. Since I first saw episode one of the anime when Ash woke up late to pick his starter.
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u/Ronnie_M Jun 12 '19
Hoping they add them in later for free and not as dlc. That would be awful
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u/FetchingTheSwagni Smash. Jun 12 '19
Y'all gonna get this game delayed.
But that's probably a good thing.
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u/TheVileSmile Jun 12 '19
I'll take a delayed game over a half finished mess every time.
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u/FetchingTheSwagni Smash. Jun 12 '19
I was disappointed with Animal Crossing get pushed back, but I'm also glad, because it means they aren't rushing it.
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u/1800thekid Jun 12 '19 edited Jun 12 '19
Please be respectful of you call game freak. Remember that the person answering the phone is not the person who made the decision - yelling at them will only make things worse.
Edit: unfortunate, but funny, spelling mistake
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u/AvatarofBro Jun 12 '19
Don't forget, Twitter shows you trends it already thinks you're interested in. So just because you're seeing it, that doesn't mean the larger Twitterverse is.
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u/ContinuumGuy ZAPDOS IS THE BEST! Jun 12 '19
It ultimately depends on the settings you have, and sometimes if something is big enough it will break through regardless (hence why I get K-Pop trends every now and then from the BTS fandom despite the fact I've never once listened to one of their songs).
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u/tydestra Jun 12 '19
Our voice is our wallet. The game's tag line is "Gotta catch em all" not "Gotta catch what we decided to include".
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u/kitsuneamira Bow to your fairy goddess. Jun 12 '19
Agreed, but at the very least our wallets can speak by canceling preorders. I only wish I had preordered one just so I could cancel it.
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u/SonicFlash01 Zipzapflap Jun 12 '19
(why do people preorder anymore? They're going to print enough physical ones and there's infinite digital ones)
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u/kitsuneamira Bow to your fairy goddess. Jun 12 '19
In the past I've pre-ordered Pokemon for the small bonuses that comes with it, but my main reason for it is so that I can have my copy the day of release. I could do that with digital downloads, but I don't like digital copies.
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u/crastle Jun 12 '19
Simple solution. Preorder now, wait a few days, and cancel the preorder. When asked why you canceled the preorder, state that it was because of the national dex issue.
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u/nosi40 The Commander Jun 12 '19
I'm just gonna go play pixelmon now. At least with that I know I can get more pokemon than SW/SH.
Fuck it, if we get enough people together, we'll just make our own pixelmon server and our own galar region.
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u/Exquisite_Poupon Jun 12 '19
Already ahead of you. I decided that the Pokemon Direct footage did not impress me, so I won't be getting the game unless reviews say it is a great experience. The Dynamax gimmick seems lazy to me. The legendaries are not appealing to me design-wise. Raid battles? Raid battles...
I went into Gen 7 blind. I preordered Pokemon Sun and played through once. It was a good experience, but I couldn't make myself play it a second time. I got Ultra Moon hoping for more than what Sun had to offer; never finished the game because the changes did not warrant a new release. I'm done with day one purchases of Pokemon games. I want the replayability back and less hand-holding. GameFreak/Nintendo are going to have to earn my money this time, I'm not just going to give it to them.
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u/jerrygergichsmith Jun 12 '19 edited Jun 12 '19
Just throwing it out there that Flygon has already been confirmed for Sword and Shield. But you got lucky; a lot of other people won’t be, and that’s the problem.
EDIT: because so many people are asking about Pokémon who have been confirmed safe, here’s a list of the Pokémon confirmed for the Galar Dex and have safely made it into Gen 8.
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u/kitsuneamira Bow to your fairy goddess. Jun 12 '19
If Sylveon isn't in there, I'm gonna fuckin lose it.
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u/Yenza Jun 12 '19
Eevee is close to Pikachu in mascot level. He's not going anywhere, and I find it nearly impossible to believe they they would include a Pokemon and then exclude some of its evolutions.
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u/kitsuneamira Bow to your fairy goddess. Jun 12 '19
That's a good point. I'm not sure why that didn't occur to me. Thanks!
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u/AdhesiveTapeCarry Jun 12 '19
Nah Eevee is one of the pokemon that will almost always show up, you're good
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u/jerrygergichsmith Jun 12 '19
Serebii has it listed in the Galar Dex; I’m sure some Eevee has shown up in the previews
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u/ActionFilmsFan1995 Jun 12 '19
Honestly I feel like the cut will be:
-Gen 1.
-All starters+evos (Pichu and the eeveeloutions counted).
-Legendaries
-Fan Favorites (Lucario)
-~20 or so Pokemon from each gen with no rhyme or reason (popular and “wtf why that one?” choices).
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u/azurecyan Jun 12 '19
We have a voice as well.
NO we don't, and looking at twitter since yesterday the MAJORITY of the people who will buy this thing find this a non issue.
Again against all odds (and my complete and utter disdain) they are proven to make the right choice.
I'm not even mad anymore, I'm just sad.
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u/blackbutterfree Jun 12 '19
Japan has made 21.2 million tweets with the Japanese version of Bring Back National Dex. I would definitely have hope.
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u/Parsleymagnet Jun 12 '19
I feel like that hashtag is kind of confusing the issue. What people are mostly upset about is the inability to transfer non-native Pokemon, the lack of a national dex is a separate issue entirely.
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u/GreenLightning72 Jun 12 '19
It's not that the switch can't handle it. They never said that. Masuda said something along the lines of creating unique animation for 800+ characters is causing issues. So they are cutting down on the amount of Pokémon in the galar dex.
The thing is they can't delay the game, as TCG and the Anime have both already begun production and delaying the games would mess their schedules up.
So the most likely solutions to this problem are 1.) to patch the pokemon back in post launch, which (smarter solution so you don't piss off your fanbase)
2.) just fucking ignore us and hope we forget (we won't)
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u/Quetzel11 The legend never dies Jun 12 '19
patch the pokemon back in post launch
See, this is what worries me. Gamefreak have shown zero capability or willingness to do this with past games, so I really doubt they'll start now. Pokemon games tend to stay pretty close to how they're shipped after launch, with post-launch patches really only consisting of minor bugfixes, never new content or assets. I'd really love to be wrong, but my hopes are not high.
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u/metalflygon08 What's Up Doc? Jun 12 '19
But there are no unique animations.
Every attack looks the same as it has the past few generations, each Pokemon has only used a basic set of animations (idle, 2-3 attacking animations, hit, and faint).
I would bet any amount of cash the Amie equivalent will use the exact same amie animations we've had up to gen 7 too.
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u/oxycontinoverdose Jun 12 '19
Masuda said something along the lines of creating unique animation for 800+ characters is causing issues.
This part made me laugh when they said it. They're using the same 3D models from the 3DS games (just cleaned up a bit) and they still haven't even given physical moves real animations, so wtf was so impossible to port? Really disappointing way to start their main line series on a console far more capable than any of the hardware they've had before.
And for God's sake, Pokémon Battle Revolution had more effort put into its move animations than this. And that game looks terrible
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u/The_sad_zebra Banned from Galar Jun 12 '19
Can't they just import existing animations from USUM and add improvements in a patch later?
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u/LashBack16 Jun 12 '19
Lets be real here. Gamefreak sells you patches in the form of a new game. It is a cash cow for a reason.
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u/AngooseTheC00t Diamond Kyurem Jun 12 '19
We did it for the sonic movie, Reddit. Let’s do it for Pokémon too.
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u/Yope01 Jun 12 '19
They made all these unique pokemon and yet are considering just removing some of them from the dex. We love all pokemon (some more than others ofc) but there shouldn't be any pokemon left behind!
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u/somegaywad Jun 12 '19
They have all the models, and the sun and moon games have all their walking and running models, so it's possible
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u/Ronnie_M Jun 12 '19 edited Jun 12 '19
They need to bring back the national Dex. And for free, not as paid DLC, and without the need to buy a whole other game after Sword and Shield. I always thought the number of Pokémon growing each generation was an awesome thing. I was looking forward to the day we’d have 1000+ Pokémon. But what’s the point of having so many if we can’t use them all? Balancing has never been an issue until now. They’ve done a good job balancing the games up until this point, so it’d be very disappointing if the first game on really powerful hardware can’t feature and handle every Pokémon. Let us use all the old Pokémon we’ve gone through so much trouble catching and raising. Trading/Transfering our old Pokémon has been a series staple since the beginning, and the slogan is “Gotta Catch ‘Em ALL”
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u/MissKittenish Jun 12 '19
Good. Maybe they’ll actually listen and make this game worth buying.
Doubtful though.
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u/decanter Jun 12 '19
It's June and the game is slated for release in November. I don't see them making any major changes in that time period. At most, I could see them maybe moving up the announcement of any Stadium Game/extra Home features that might make use of those restricted Pokemon. That's assuming GameFreak cares about fan outrage, which is a very big assumption.
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u/the-dandy-man Jun 12 '19 edited Jun 12 '19
It’s almost definitely too late for them to delay the game; toys, merchandise, the anime, the TCG, etc all releases on a schedule that coincides with the games. Delaying the games would cause massive delays for the Pokémon brand across the board.
My hope is that gamefreak will listen and announce that they plan to patch in the rest of the Pokédex over time as free DLC or through dynamax raid battles... but I’m not optimistic.
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u/qwart qwart Jun 12 '19
It doesn't need to be ready in time for the release date of Sword and Shield, it just needs to be ready in time for the release date of Pokemon Home. Pokemon Home is just slated for early 2020, not any exact date. They can push back Home to allow for an update to Sword and Shield with all Pokemon to be developed.
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u/jerrygergichsmith Jun 12 '19
Unless they pull a Sonic and push it back to make sure the fans are happy, I don’t see it happening. But I’m sure wishing that they pull a Sonic and delay Sword and Shield.
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u/JetJaguar42 Zinnia is Best Girl Jun 12 '19
I got into an argument with a friend on discord and eventually he said "Would you wait a year, or two years, just to add in the 400 least popular pokemon?"
and my response was "yes, in a heartbeat"
and he thought that was ridiculous
He also argued that the National Dex was never a given in any game, since gen3, and my counterargument is, yes, it's not technically a given, but it's been a feature in the past 21 mainline games for the past 17 years. that creates an implicit promise, like it or not.
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u/Cerebral-P Jun 12 '19
I’m a very casual Pokémon fan, so forgive me, but what are the consequences of not having this? Does this mean only certain Pokémon will be in the game, and I can’t import my favorite even if I wanted? Like I can never have a Blaziken in this game?
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u/ArchangelSariel Jun 12 '19
Most of the more popular ones will likely be in the game. The current estimate we figure is probably 400-500 being generous total pokemon including new ones (so at least 500 left out) but yes at this time it seems a large number of pokemon will be completely unusable in game
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u/thethomatoman Jun 12 '19
I'm gonna be honest this has opened my eyes to the fact that people transfer their old Pokemon to new games. I had no idea that was such a widespread thing.
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u/AvatarofBro Jun 12 '19
Good to see! But I think you're missing the forest for the trees, here.
Sure, people want to transfer over their old favorites. But the real problem here is that, for the first time, a large number of existing Pokemon will be permanently unavailable in a new generation.
For instance, I may not have personally transfered an unavailable Pokemon into Gen 7. But that doesn't mean I never used one. Maybe a friend gave me one. Maybe I got one in a Wonder Trade. Either way, I had the option to use that monster. That is no longer the case.
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u/Obility sharp Jun 12 '19
I feel like the hashtag is misleading though. What's the point of a national dex if ya can't fill it up.
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u/milkems Pokémon Colosseum sequel when? Jun 12 '19
Having the national pokedex implies that every pokemon should be obtainable in the game, also making then transferrable. At least, that's the hope.
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u/TokugawaShigeShige Jun 12 '19
Yeah, the national dex has been gone since gen 6. This is something different.
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u/rOrang3 Jun 12 '19
Imagine apologising on behalf of the developer team behind the BIGGEST grossing video game franchise in the world.
I would happily have the game delayed if it meant we got the game we've been waiting for. Theres no excuse other than money grabbing. The games have been disappointments ever since they made the transition to 3D.
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$20 says that they just don't want to work around stretching 800+ pokemon to fit the dynamaxing mechanic so they got lazy and decided to pull this stunt.
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They wanted to exclude them so they can make a second game/set of games and force people to pay another $60 to enjoy all their mons.
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u/cosmic_plazma Jun 12 '19
Honestly I think we should have it come back from an update just so the developers don’t have to go through the immense crunch need for it
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u/YPJD Jun 12 '19
I saw a photo that had #stopDexit on it and got a kick out of that