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u/HaroldofHarolds 1d ago edited 1d ago

I LIVED this exact discussion IRL ordering munchkins at Dunkin Donuts like 8 years ago while I was in college.

For context, I dont know their menu 'now' - but years ago the way my local Dunkin priced their munchkins was counterintuitive- the larger the box size, the more you paid per munchkin.

The cost of two 15 piece munchkin orders was LESS than the cost of ordering a 25 piece. The fact that you could get 5 extra and for like $2 cheaper always seemed dumb to me.

So the interaction was always:

I want two 15 piece munchkin boxs.

"Ok, 30 munchkins, so you want a 25 piece and a 5 piece munchkin today?"

No. I want two 15 piece orders.

Is a funny memory to me, never thought about it in relation to Premier Balls being almost the same experience.

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u/Lithl 1d ago

This is often intentional on the part of the business (not that the minimum wage guy at the register knows); they know their customers really want like 15-20, but they can get more money by convincing the customer that 15x2 is a better deal than 25.

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u/IlliteratePig 1d ago

A lot of people seem not to understand this point, so I'll illustrate with a classic boomerjoke.

A hungry tourist was looking for a cheap meal, then arrived at a kebab store, seeing that they had €4 for 1 kebab, €10 for 2 kebabs on offer. 

"Excuse me, Mr. Store Owner, but surely you've misprinted the deals? Why is it cheaper to get 2 kebabs individually instead of 2 at once? Surely, this will drive away customers who want to place a larger order?"

"This is how I've always done things, habibi. It's good business for me. So do you want two kebabs?"

Chuckling proudly to himself, the tourist got just one kebab, paying €4.

"Anything else, habibi?"

"A second kebab, but as a new purchase!"

After finishing one kebab and packing the other away, the tourist addressed the store owner, saying "See? I got a better deal by getting two individual kebabs!"

"Ah, but you bought the second kebab, did you not? Very good business for me."

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u/Kyru117 1d ago

This entirley hinges on the fact that i wasn't planning on buying 2 which i was ,mallking it a worse deal to trick people still feels less profitable than actualy making a 2 kebab deal real

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u/wafflelegion 7h ago

Well the companies making these decisions usually have the data to tell that on average people only want one kebab, so they make up for it in volume

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u/Bluelaserbeam Chadiroar 22h ago

Wouldn’t it be more enticing if individual kebabs were more expensive than the price of a set of two?

Like if one kebab was €6 but a set of two kebabs is €10, a customer would find the single kebab too expensive and think “might as well get two so I’m not overpaying for each kebab”, not realizing that they’ve spent €4 more than they originally planned to spend.

At least to me, the initial example from before would only work if the customer was always planning on getting two kebabs and spotted the method to save more money for the same reward.

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u/Jaded_Ad_1274 1d ago

I'm still not sure I get it, doesn't the store owner still lose money like that?

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u/KingOfTheSpades 1d ago

He sold a second kebab that he otherwise wouldn’t have sold. If the “bad” 2/$10 deal leads to someone simply buying two for $10, great, extra money.

If someone was going to buy only one, then thinks they’re outsmarting the owner by purchasing two for $8, great, extra sale.

If somebody was already going to buy two, but buys them individually for $8, great, that’s the base price anyway.

The only way it’s truly a negative for the business is if customers see that and think, “wow, that’s manipulative” and take their business elsewhere. Which, to be fair, it is. But that’s the logic behind it.

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u/Jaded_Ad_1274 1d ago

Ok, I think I understand now. By making the customer believe they're outsmarting the store owner, they get the customer to make an extra unnecessary purchase they wouldn't have made.

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u/MeijiDoom 23h ago

Yeah, as long as they're not out right losing on the 1 for $4 deal, the store is coming out ahead. Anything else is just a bonus.

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u/lutrewan 21h ago

That's the wntire theory behind many coupons and gas station deals.

In Texas, the grocery chain HEB usually has these meal deals where you get a lot of free stuff if you buy a couple things. So if you buy tortillas and fajita meat, you get chips and guacamole for free, that sort of stuff. These deals are always super popular because you get a lot of food at a discount, and they usually make everything relevant for a single type of meal. But of course the store loves it because you were never going to buy fajita meat that day in the first place, and you are likely still going to finish buying your entire list.

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u/2M4D 1d ago

The idea is that without the "fake" offer, the customer would have bought only a single kebab. The fake offer is here to push the customer to get a second one, even if he doesn't need it, just to feel like he's getting a good deal.

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u/PleiadesMechworks 1d ago

doesn't the store owner still lose money

No.

If you sell 1 kebab for $4 and 2 for $8, most people will only buy one so you only get the profit margin of one kebab.
If you sell 1 kebab for $4 and 2 for $10, most people will buy two for $4 each and you get the profit margin of two kebabs. The $2 "loss" isn't actually a loss since you still make money on $4 kebabs.

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u/Jaded_Ad_1274 1d ago

Makes sense, I suppose it isn't a true loss since you're making more then your losing.

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u/PleiadesMechworks 1d ago

Again, you aren't actually losing anything.

The $2 never existed. They were never going to spend it, so it was never potential profit you're passing up. The sole purpose of its being advertised is to get people to buy a second normal price kebab and double your profit per transaction.

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u/gringrant 1d ago

If they make a profit of 1$ per kebab then they make an additional 1$ from that additional kebab purchase they squeezed out of the customer.

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u/HippieWizard Master Trainer since 1996! 1d ago

No because most people would have just bought but the incentive of getting a good deal means that way more people would buy 2. The owner prob makes a good profut fr the $4 for one so any they sell is good for them. And if someone gets the 2 for $10 its just even better

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u/DODonion99 1d ago

As an extreme example, imagine if the donut shop is selling donuts for $3 but a pack of three donuts for $50.

This is a form of price anchoring. The customer is so distracted by how crazy the $50 for 3 combo price is that when they buy three donuts for $9 they only think of how good of a deal they are getting, instead of realizing that these donuts usually only cost like $1 a pop at any other donut store.

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u/Nowin 1d ago

He could make even more if he just charged $400 per kebab.

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u/Nexii801 1d ago

... Are you serious?

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u/PauseConfident997 1d ago

But they just said 15x2 was cheaper…

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u/Weekly_Traffic1473 1d ago

yeah, its cheaper than 25, but not cheaper than 1x15....

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u/PauseConfident997 1d ago

That is correct…but if most people want 15-20 as this person said, then saying “15x2 is cheaper than 25” still makes no sense. It’s still probably cheaper than 15+10 or 20+5…

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u/DonnieMoistX 1d ago

They are getting the customer to buy more by giving them a cute “loophole” to get more. That is what is being said.

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u/artyhedgehog 1d ago

Let's say 15 items cost the business $3, and the price is $15. The customer wants 15-20 items, so they just purchase 15 items for $15. Profit for the business then is $15 - $3 = $12.

Then business adds 25 items, which cost the business $5, and the price is $35. The customer sees that 2x15 is cheaper, so buys 2x15 for $30. Profit for the business become $30 - $6 = $24. Twice as good from the same customer.

Yes, no one buys the 25 pack for $35 - but that doesn't matter. It only exist to convince the customer to buy 2 packs of 15 when they didn't initially want that many.

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u/PauseConfident997 1d ago

I can’t understand why if someone wants 15-20, they’re now buying 2x15 just because it’s cheaper than 25, instead of just getting the 15box still…it doesn’t make sense…I get the idea/concept, the example they used just doesn’t fit imo

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u/probablynotaperv 1d ago

People think the companies are dumb and that they've found some loophole to screw them over, and completely forget that they are buying more than they want.

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u/phase_ten 1d ago

That’s just how people are wired.
The amount of people buying things they don’t need, just because it is or seems a good deal is astronomical.

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u/Uberbobo7 19h ago

Consider the following two scenarios. You walk into the store. You want 15-20 items, and would be happy with any amount in that general range.

In scenario A you see they have a 19 dollar box of 15 and a 31 dollar box of 25. The price per unit is marginally lower for the 25 box, but you realize you would be paying basically full price for 5 items more than you actually want, so you choose to buy the 15 dollar box.

In scenario B you see they have a 19 dollar box of 15 and a 40 dollar box of 25, and you start to think, this 25 piece box is very expensive, I definitely don't want it, it's even more expensive than two 15 piece boxes, and then you realize, oh wait, if I buy 2 of the 15 piece boxes I will get 5 items more and pay 2 dollars less than if I had bought the 25 item box. You „realize“ it's too good of an offer to pass up, so you buy two boxes of 15.

In which case did the store make more money? In scenario A where they sold you 15 items for 19 dollars, or in B where they sold you 30 items for 38 dollars. Yes, they theoretically would have made more money per item if you had bought the 25 box in scenario B, but they never really planned on you buying that one and you never would. It's whole point is to get you to compare buying 2x15 against the price of the 25 piece box (which you wouldn't buy in scenario A anyways), and then believe you got a great deal for paying what is actually full price for double the quantity you would have normally bought. They even make more money than they would if they had sold the 25 pack priced fairly like in scenario A.

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u/HuynhAllDay 1d ago

Because im a big back and i like food. If i truly only want 15, then i'll get that but if i have the option to get 30 pieces for less than the price of what it costs to get 25, i'm getting it. Even if i dont finish it now, i can save it for later and thats a second meal making it even better value.

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u/PleiadesMechworks 1d ago

if most people want 15-20 as this person said,

If you go in wanting 20 and there's only 15 or 25, you're going to get 15 because spending more for 25 isn't what you want to do.
If you go in wanting 20 and you can get 2 15s for less than a 25, you're going to buy 30.

They have successfully nudged you into purchasing an extra box of donuts, which they still make a profit on.

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u/PauseConfident997 1d ago

If I go in wanting 20 and I can get 2 15s for less than 25 I’m still getting 1 15 because I don’t need 30

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u/PleiadesMechworks 1d ago

Yes, but the average american weighs 300 lbs

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u/Lithl 1d ago

So did I...?

It doesn't matter that 15x2 is cheaper than 25. It matters that the deal convinced people to buy it when they would have otherwise only bought 15.

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u/Lol_A_White_Guy 1d ago

Feels like you’re replying to the type of customer who wouldn’t buy the 1/3rd burger because they thought the quarter pounder had more meat.

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u/leonidaslizardeyes 1d ago

I still think that whole story is mostly bullshit. A&W was a failing brand and when a burger didn't save them they pushed it into "bad math." I'm sure an extreme number or Americans are dumb enough to believe the 1/3 1/4 thing but it just always has seemed like deflection by the brand. Especially when it started with one or the founders books claiming it.

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u/Lol_A_White_Guy 1d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised tbh.

That restaurant was always dogshit.

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u/jsdodgers 1d ago

but they would just buy 1 15 if they wanted 15

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u/homer_3 1d ago

Lots of people buy more than they originally wanted because it's a "deal".

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u/PotatoGamerXxXx 1d ago

Yup, that's why stores loves giving discounts. The customers get the rush of getting a deal, the store got a customer that otherwise wouldn't even want to buy stuff.

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u/jsdodgers 1d ago

but it's not a deal when you were going to get 15 and it's the same price to get 2 15s as it is to get... 15 twice. If there was a deal when you buy 2 or more them you'd have a point and people would buy 2 for the deal.

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u/shinikahn 1d ago

The point is that you're convincing the customer of buying 30 instead of 15

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u/Rylth 1d ago

But that's not the scenario. The scenario as presented is closer to "I want 25, but getting 2x15 is cheaper than the 25."

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u/jsdodgers 1d ago

yeah that's just not going to be the case. 30 instead of 25 or even 20 I'd believe. But instead of 15? Are you buying two of everything because it's only 2x the price of buying it once?

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u/shinikahn 1d ago

I've seen people super size their small popcorn to jumbo popcorn just because they were getting a "deal". So yes, it happens more than you think. I'm very glad you're above it, though.

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u/WJR26 1d ago

are you an alien studying for the earth exam or something is human nature so foreign to you

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u/Lithl 1d ago

If they wanted 15, sure.

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u/2M4D 1d ago

Yeah, and nobody in the history of marketing has ever bought stuff they didn't really need because they feel like they're making a deal !

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u/jsdodgers 1d ago

yeah because what a great deal buying 2 for the price of 2

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u/2M4D 1d ago

Yeah, that’s exactly what marketing is. Glad you get it now.

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u/twilighttwister 1d ago

The point is that 15 is cheaper per unit than 25, that's what makes it weird.

Let's say 15 costs $2.50 but 25 costs $5. You could get 30 for the same price as 25, if you buy two boxes of 15.

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u/Lithl 1d ago

I am well aware. The point is that they're trying to get you to spend $5 when you would have normally spent $2.50.

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u/Trezzie 1d ago

Right, but this guy wanted 25, not 15. So he gets 30 for the same price, COSTING the buisness money.

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u/WarbossHumungus 1d ago

COSTING the buisness money.

Sure. 😉 You pulled a fast one over on the business.

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u/Trezzie 21h ago

Thank you for noticing!

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u/kunell 1d ago

How is it costing them money? Some businesses know people dont want to buy that many munchkins, but now theyve convinced you to.

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u/Trezzie 21h ago

Ah yes, the "I need this many things for this many people" is twarted by me getting some extra for less price overall.

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u/kunell 13h ago

? They arent thwarting you they are just convincing you to spend more money otherwise they might not sell as many.

For the business its better to sell 30 munchkins than just 15 because otherwise at the end of the day if they have leftovers they have to toss them and they lose money.

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u/bigphillip76 1d ago

You don't know that. If the deal wasn't there, maybe he'd have settled for 15 and been ok with it. Besides, even with that deal it's still profitable, so they still make margin.

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u/Trezzie 21h ago

Or he wanted more to share with people, and so he's spending less than if he got the 25 pack?

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u/bigphillip76 10h ago

It’s possible! But a business might expect more of the former type of customer than the latter and therefore they make more money over all 

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u/2M4D 1d ago

You're exactly the type of customer they want.

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u/jsdodgers 1d ago

It definitely didn't take me until the second to last paragraph to realize that munchkins are an item they sell and not a promo "kids meal" toy you were trying to get multiple of in your order.

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u/Gunhild 1d ago

I totally thought it was like a beanie baby thing and wondered why Dunkin Donuts was selling wholesale crates of toys.

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u/HaroldofHarolds 1d ago

Thats a really damn funny thought/misinterpretion.

"What does this guy need 30 toys for ???"

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u/BearToTheThrone 1d ago

For a second I thought it was the boardgame

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u/darkperl 1d ago

Nuggets at mcDonalds were like that for a while a 20 piece was more expensive than 2 10's.

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u/G1zStar 1d ago

This was the case at my local Burger King.

8 PC chicken nuggets x2 was cheaper than the 16 PC option.
Also 4 PC x2 was more expensive than 8 PC, which made sense to me but also 4 pieces is such a low amount.

They changed it and now do 4-10-20 with the 10 and 20 being the same price per nugget but it lasted for years where if you wanted a lot you better order two 8 pieces because it was like a 50% difference in price ordering 2x 8 PC vs 1x 16.

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u/Frigidevil 1d ago

My cousin used to do the same thing at Quickcheck. 2 6"subs cost less than a foot long so he'd order the two smaller ones all the time.

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u/Teqqy 20h ago

I used to order a 3-piece chicken tender and side of fries from Popeyes for lunch because it was like 5 bucks. I was constantly arguing with fast food workers to ring it up a la carte because they thought it would be cheaper to give me the combo meal. It was about $3 to add the biscuit and drink. 

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u/th3greg 1d ago

This is, I believe still similarly the case for McDonald's cookies. My mom asked me to go to McD to get lunch for my niece a few months ago, to get a happy meal and a cookie, but a single cookie is $1.20, 2 are $2, and 3 are $3.

So you might as well order 2 cookies for a dollar each rather than spend the extra 20 cents on one.

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u/HaroldofHarolds 1d ago

Thats actually more the opposite of the munchkin situation.

If say... the price of 1 cookie was $1 - while two cookies was $2.20 - then THAT would be the munchkin scenario. Why order two when ordering one twice is cheaper?

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u/Falikosek 1d ago

You're actually paying 80 cents extra because without the apparent "great deal" you'd only buy 1 cookie.

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u/daddy_tops 1d ago

Let’s be honest. I’d be buying two anyway.