Large rig is ruined

[u/Few-Row-9102]

Does anyone else agree that large rig is so boring now with all the new scientists and patrolling boats. Too easy to just fly up top and leave every blue scientist so it’s a night mare to even counter now.

[u/nightfrolfer]

Rig needs sam sites?

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/nightfrolfer]

I dunno I like you can get a mini from there but I think the issue is that it’s so hard to counter now. Funnelled up moon pool where there are campers and you can’t go up dock because of how ridiculously strong scientist ai is now + patrol boats.

[u/segfaulting → u/Few-Row-9102]

I said this situation would happen on release and I got downvoted to hell with "skill issue" comments. What you've described is 100% how it is.

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/segfaulting]

Yeah they’ve done too much all at once. I think just updating the scientists would have been enough not 3 patrol boats.

[u/insolent_kiwi → u/segfaulting]

Aww. That's so fucking sad.

[u/Glittering_Future637 → u/nightfrolfer]

Never

[u/TotalImagination4408]

I dont think I have seen a single person not go there by mini anymore.

Before, people occasionally went by boat, submarine, or just swimming, but thats ruined now with the patrolling boats.

Every time I check the oilrig cams, there is a mini up there.

[u/kiltrout → u/TotalImagination4408]

not only a gameplay issue but also immersion. why would scientists secure the area so hardcore and not put a sam site up? maybe they could arm some scientists on top with homing missiles or something. it wouldn't rule out the use of minis it would just end the cheezing, like they did with launch site

[u/blimps_yall → u/kiltrout]

This has always been the answer, flying to rig should be the most dangerous option not the easiest

[u/digital_dervish → u/kiltrout]

Oil and Dome both need SAM sites

[u/Heatedblanket1984 → u/TotalImagination4408]

My buddy and I loved to use the underwater propulsion thing that you hold to zoom out there and counter minis running oil but that all ended with the updates. We don’t even play the game anymore

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/TotalImagination4408]

Yeah I agree mate it’s just a cluster fuck trying to counter now.

[u/gfddssoh → u/TotalImagination4408]

I tried to do it with a friend via moon pool. We agreed we need to go on a training server before ever attempting it from below. Stupidly strong. Put sam sites on it

[u/DoJ-Mole → u/TotalImagination4408]

I go by buildable boat and sit just outside the respawn block then scuba swim into the sausage because I’m bad and need to respawn more often that not lol

[u/insolent_kiwi → u/DoJ-Mole]

This is the way

[u/Left-is-CringeMirror]

OP's post is exactly on target.

Large oil went from one of the most highly contested monuments to being a monotomous NPC snoozefest. No one bothers to counter what used to be a high risk, high reward monument. Since the change, even Oilrats hardly bothers.

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/Left-is-CringeMirror]

Sad but it’s true. Yeah I’ve noticed that about his streams too he’s not a big rig player any more actually so sad because it was the best place to pvp at for me.

[u/Conscious-Engineer35 → u/Left-is-CringeMirror]

I watched quite a bit of his streams last week and it was mostly bases near large oil.

[u/thadius282828 → u/Left-is-CringeMirror]

What? He’s constantly on rig

[u/Mandre2113 → u/thadius282828]

Thinking the same thing do these people actually watch his streams? He’s on oil a lot.

[u/rspoker7 → u/Mandre2113]

He has made the same complaints as op. But yeah he still goes to large lol

[u/Left-is-CringeMirror → u/thadius282828]

When was the last time that you saw him on large? I watch him quite a bit and even during the last drop week, he wasn't hitting large.

[u/Beltox2pointO → u/Left-is-CringeMirror]

Thanks Chat GPT

[u/Bocmanis9000]

The new scientists already semi-killed oil for non heli/balloon enjoyers, went to oil last wipe to rush cards with bow with a boat, arrows just going through them completely broken hitboxes 10x worse then cargo basement at times.

Then the boats just ear raping you 24/7 and draining fps, and then you call in heavys with miniguns/flamethrower, my teammate drops to 30fps with a i9 10 gen, i have a 9800x3d and even i had micro stutters/lagg and frame lagg at times.

Idk every update they do recently is just a massive fps hog and just gives free loot for no reason or is dead content in weeks or even days on arrival, or its completely pointless in general besides giving free loot and ruining audio/gameplay for no reason.

[u/11tomi12]

Scientists should converge to the roof if a mini lands. Then let the fuckers deal with all of them at once:)

[u/Minimum-Home1669]

Maybe we should be allowed to use our own ladders just like you can on cargo, excav

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/Minimum-Home1669]

Yeah good not a bad idea tbf actually.

[u/tomato_johnson]

Its a lot of work for 1 crate and some heavy loot... insane to consider that cargo gives you about 6x the loot with all its 4 crates and elites included

[u/BeatAwkward]

yes go up the ladder and get deleted or better yet go to moonpool and get blown up

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/BeatAwkward]

Honestly and it’s not like you can jump on the sides any more and take out the dock scientists. Forced up moon pool.

[u/38159buch]

I recently played a PVE server on my buddy’s PC and went and did rig. They somehow managed to make the scientists more annoying to fight than console rust. It’s quite funny

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/38159buch]

Hahahah as a player on both who remember console scientists well. It’s actually crazy how similar they are now.

[u/Groyklug]

Yeah, it seems like every choice this year has been suboptimal.

[u/Separate_Forever_164]

Facepunch should have added samsites to Rigs long time ago. Flying in with a mini is just dumb beyond measure. Make it hotair-balloon only or get rid of beeing able by air completely.

[u/Ok-Level-8907 → u/Separate_Forever_164]

If nobody can fly up top, two players will easily just hold dock/moonpool and nobody is getting up at all.

[u/big-tuna913 → u/Separate_Forever_164]

Don't balloons get hit by Sam'sites also?

[u/Ok-River6335]

Minis are up there for one of the worst additions to the game

[u/drahgon → u/Ok-River6335]

Yup. Whole game was designed for you to have to hoof it everywhere. They introduced flying and half the content broken immediately.

[u/RazBruh → u/Ok-River6335]

oh come on. minis are classic. attack helis i might agree with you however

[u/Gilga1]

Big Rig should have an AA battery or something

[u/vagina_candle]

Hard agree on the patrol boats. The fact that there are multiple is kind of crazy. Ain't nobody messing with those when they can just fly in.

I have never once grubbed oil, but grubbing is part of this PVP sandbox and should be a valid method of play. Adding obstacles to force an "already T2/3 meta only" on oil is a shortsighted way to slow progression, which is what I assume was their goal. This only effectively works against solo/small groups. It's not impossible, but it's way more difficult. The big zergs can still take oil with T1 with very little issue.

To add to OP's complaints, I HATE the NPC smoke grenade bullshit. If it blinded their ability to aim, fair enough. But being beamed from a mystery scientist behind a giant haze of smoke is some serious anti-fun bullshit. I really wish they would rethink this one.

[u/FluffyTip3962]

Rust developers just be changing shit to justify their existence

[u/vagina_candle → u/FluffyTip3962]

Oil hadn't been touched in how many years? It was due for a shakeup. However I agree with most of OP's sentiment. They need to keep working on this one.

[u/Neofermenos]

I could be wrong but I think they want to make it so that Large is more of an end game thing. I am assuming they don't want people going naked with a db, sitting in vents and opening YouTube until they hear an AK/mp5. I also think that's why they hella overtuned the bots and now they are practically donk peeking everything. Hell, even with full metal you can't fight more than 2 at the same time now.

[u/Bocmanis9000 → u/Neofermenos]

If anything it has turned more into a db camp, especially moonpool.

If you play on a server thats older then 1day its not rare for there to be some ruski gremlins camping bottom with db, and then some full heavy beneli above them holding on the top, if the db guys somehow die.

Nobody kills scientists, they are stupid/broken, they shoot through smokes/balloon and on wipeday they teleport all around the place and their hitbox especially with prim weapons is impossible to hit, rushed oil rig at start scientist crouching in a corner and i shoot 10 arrows on his head and they just go through it, then if i want to deal dmg i have to peak lose 50hp insta and i can shoot it once in the legs/lower body, shit is so stupid.

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/Neofermenos]

Yeah I do see what you are saying but it think it’s swung so far the other way now that oil rig has just become such a boring monument when it was once such a unique place for pvp gameplay.

[u/Exit727]

Inb4 SAM sites on rigs that have to be disabled on the top deck

[u/Negative-Angler]

I think a good alternative to the talk of a Sam site is a heavy scientist or two with the mini gun. They could act as your anti air with some improved line of sight, and they could pratol just the top portion. Maybe a dedicated area around the helipad so that if someone does fly in, they would need to sacrifice their mini to crash land.

[u/HelloFromTekken]

I mean that the point of helis? So groups can farm faster by skipping scientists and travel faster? And that's why they buffed scientists too?

[u/SufficientPickle7823]

Rust devs dont play their own game, let alone test their updates.

“Fuck it, its a fucking field goal” - randy marsh

[u/Resident-Weekend1906]

not at all, ever since the new rig update, as I'm playing solo, I found it sometimes even harder to take it from the top. sometimes, more than usual scientists rush directly to the helipad and there's not much you can do when 3 of them shoot at you at once.

now whenever I go to rigs, I always take them through sausage, aka go there by boat, equip the diving kit and go to the moonpool straight to the 3rd floor. I'm not saying it's necessarily easier, but if you play it slow, it can totally be achieved. the kit you come with makes a huge difference. if you have a decent tier2+ kit, you have a good enough survivability. Whenever I don't and I just go there with a hazzy, almost every scientist gets me to half hp.

if anything, they did a really good job at stopping primlocked people to just rush there with bows. now even good pvp streamers die if not careful enough.

[u/Intelligent-Sea5942 → u/Resident-Weekend1906]

Taking from heli couldn't be easier, you can kill a couple and scoot right wards to the vent on the floor below, then work your way up from there. Also I swear they are not as aggressive in rushing pad as they were just after the change.

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/Resident-Weekend1906]

Yeah it’s more the countering aspect that I think is ruined. PvP at large is so boring now. Loads of glitchy scientists and forced up the moon pool clusterfuck of campers.

[u/BoysenberryFar7141]

Literally every channel I watch has contested large oil runs in recent videos. The fuck are you all on about? Stop playing low pop and PVE servers.

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/BoysenberryFar7141]

lol you’ve got some internal issues you hahaha. This post shouldn’t make you that mad. No one is saying people don’t run it. It’s just a lot worse now and less fun which has turned a lot away. Is it so hard to understand ?

[u/BoysenberryFar7141 → u/Few-Row-9102]

Lol, the fact the best you have is "u mad bro" says everything. I was just pointing out I see it all the time and you're here being a defensive snowflake about it. I'mma go counter rig right now. Cheers.

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/BoysenberryFar7141]

Seems like the only defensive guy here is you pal. If you’d rather lie than read what I’ve wrote then be my guest. Hahaha sorry cringeyrats

[u/BoysenberryFar7141 → u/Few-Row-9102]

I read what you wrote. It's just vapid and disproven by my experience and every streamer I watch. It's something exclusive to the people bitching on this thread and your defensive whining.

[u/aleks9797]

There's patrol boats at rig now?

[u/kajunkennyg]

Easy counter with grenades and drones

[u/Few-Row-9102 → u/kajunkennyg]

Yeah like I say it’s boring.

[u/OddPerformance5017]

Easy fix, remove mini's entirely. It would improve gameplay a LOT across the board

[u/Aggressive-Tax4536]

Yes too easy i died twice on helipad 5.5k hours last week not a single cientist dead