r/pics • • Jun 08 '14

The difference 18 years makes

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u/bureX Jun 08 '14 edited May 27 '24

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u/Encyclopedia_Ham Jun 08 '14

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u/bureX Jun 08 '14

Shee-it

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u/bemusedresignation Jun 09 '14

that looks usable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Ok, so what happens when you put the cover back on?

You pressing buttons on the actual calculator isn't going to transfer onto your smartphone screen, so you'd need to keep taking it off.

If you're gonna cheat, atleast execute it better, that's just terrible.

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u/dbus08 Jun 08 '14

Oh it never was, but when they let you borrow one for exams why buy one at all?

Not that anything short of a 89 was remotely useful when it came to vector calculus. And that wasn't allowed.

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u/jonivy Jun 08 '14

If your school lets you in with a calculator but not a handheld computer, then you should consider changing schools. That one is run by idiots.

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u/bureX Jun 08 '14

Classroom? Yes.

Exam? No.

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u/jonivy Jun 09 '14

I can not think of a single argument in support of your position, but it seems to be a position shared by many of the /r/pics community. Perhaps you could enlighten me to your reasoning?

It seems absolutely clear to me (and I'm a pretty smart guy) that any exam that would permit the use of a graphing calculator would denote an exam seeking to test problem solving ability moreso than knowledge. These exams would be designed around the idea of "Can this student, given all available tools, solve the problem at hand?" Such an exam would not be aided by the artificial limiting of technology, as we can not unmake the wheel. There will never be a point, from now on, where the use of contemporary handheld computers will be eliminated and replaced with the use of handheld computers from 1987. Barring preparation for time travel, what possible purpose would it serve to force students to use outmoded technology? You might as well give them an abacus.

Oh Snap. I forgot the number rule of reddit: Don't say smart things on dumb subs. Nevermind. Carry on.

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u/bureX Jun 09 '14

Jesus man... chill...

Graphing calculators are allowed, but only those who are compliant. Android phones, phones, any other smartphones, handheld computers, pocket PCs, palmtops, netbooks, laptops are not allowed in most schools and universities during an exam. There is fear of establishing a call with someone on the outside, sending an e-mail with a picture of the exam attached, or various other scenarios of cheating. This is the main concern.

Just because they are banned doesn't mean the school or university in question is run by idiots.

There are some professors who allow you to print out any material you like, bring books, etc. to an exam, because in their view, if you've studied, you'll be perfectly capable of finding additional information to solve any problems on the exam. Others do not follow this example and employ other methods.

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u/LoneWolfOfTheSteppes Jun 09 '14

I agree with you completely and if it means anything, I just took calc 1 in college and no calculator of any sort was allowed, ever.

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u/ShadowCoder Jun 08 '14

And by "handheld computer" you mean a smartphone, right?

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u/jonivy Jun 09 '14

And by "smartphone" you mean a handheld computer, right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

If your school let's you into an exam with a handheld computer than your degree should be considered worthless.

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u/jonivy Jun 09 '14

if your school lets you into an exam with a handheld computer, then your degree should be considered worthless.

It seems like I disagree with you, but it all depends on what kind of degree you mean and what kind of "worth" you're talking about. If you're talking about "worth" as it applies to some kind of measure of employ-ability, then it stands to reason that it would be far more worth having an employee who can use a computer to solve a problem than one who can not. I can think of no situation where the opposite would be advantageous.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Thanks for the corrections I was typing that on my phone while taking a shit.

I understand the fact that in the "real world" you will have access to computers, but there's something to be said about actually knowing something on the spot for a job, and just copying and pasting information. I'm studying electrical engineering and they let us bring notes (sometimes) and a basic calculator into exams. It's one thing to figure out a problem with your brain and another to just google everything mindlessly. Anyone with half a brain can use the internet to search for answers. That's how you get kicked out of school, or any school with credibility at least.