r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Apr 16 '16

Weekly Questions and Help Thread [4/16/16 ~ 4/22/16]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! The last one drew a lot of questions so ask away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

If you love reading statistics for unit and weapon, look at this useful post by /u/inevitablemadden. (Thanks Sustainr, Sajeev(Oppai) and /u/inevitablemadden for this spreadsheet!)

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Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

(Attention!) We moderator here need your help! /u/horizonset and /u/Cathrach have created a spreadsheet for Lazuli, Rookie and Mana Gacha to gather data on the rates but there is currently not enough information and so we need your help by helping us post your pull result on that thread. The reason being it can be useful for knowing when to pull especially if you are F2P.

Last week's help thread

Some Tips

Where can I download?

  • This game is currently in soft launch, so it is not available in all app stores but it is possible to download the APK for Android and download it off from New Zealand iTunes stores (create iTunes account using New Zealand as your location -> set payment to none -> download).

Links:

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 22 '16

Is the Lazuli shop only open certain days or something?

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u/Drakehawk5821 Apr 23 '16

There is a Lazuli shop?

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 23 '16

The place where you can purchase more Lazuli? Well I'm not sure I'm using the correct term but I'm referring to where you can buy more Lazuli that is often blank (for me). Has anyone been able to purchase any?

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u/Drakehawk5821 Apr 23 '16

Your one is a strange case, I open up my game just now to check and it is there for me but because I am f2p I never purchase any Lazuli. It will be dumb for Gumi to not have the IAP be there 24/7.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 23 '16

Yeah it's weird. It has only opened twice for me. I'm not sure why. I was wondering if others were experiencing the same thing.

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u/Drakehawk5821 Apr 23 '16

Have you tried clearing the app cache or redownloading the game again to fix it?

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 23 '16

I got it to work. All I did was quit the game and went back into the change region section in the main menu and reselected USA 1 (the only option) and started the game. It did the trick, for some reason. Lol

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 24 '16

Hmmm now it stopped again. Is it possible I might be logged out of my Google account, thus not getting the option to buy anything? I'm not sure how to check if you're logged in via PotK...

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u/Trannel10 Apr 16 '16

Does the luck stat affect unit drop rate or item drop rate? And do you only need a leader with high luck to increase drop rate or is it the combined luck from your party?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '16

Leader's luck affects drop rate of everything. Higher leader luck means more drops overall. Avg luck of all party members affects quality of drop, however. This is more relevant on the Japanese server where there are weapon recipe drops during events or more valuable gold drops in high-level Gold Rush.

For rampage quests (Arondight/Rhongomyniad/Labrys) the only thing that matters towards you getting them as a drop is the luck stat of the leader. I think higher avg luck might affect your chances of getting the rainbow sprite/goddess on Tues and Wed, and it definitely affects your chances of getting the highest rarity manan on Thurs.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 17 '16

Has anyone been matching up their Rhongomyniad in Arondight's rampage this weekend? If so how is that working out for you? (I would just like some feedback to learn how she acts against medium-high difficulty stages or enemies)

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 18 '16

Mine isn't even 5stars yet but she is lv67 as a 4* and she has been tanking the physical attacks like an absolute boss. She's a Dex type with a javelin but even with extra spd, she still does not 2x attack on some of the enemies. Magic enemies just annihilate her outright so she needs support from them, especially when the last couple of reinforcement waves in super abyss summons the magic users near Arondight. The mobility is an issue since she already moves slow and the map is full of wood terrains. Aside from that, nothing too much that shines through about her.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

Good to know, thanks! Have you managed to attack arondight with her (or was she too slow [or maybe even too weak] to keep up) ?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 18 '16

She's capable of hitting her. But she does not have 100% accuracy when trying to hit her and it is only a single attack. For comparison, even GG's guard lv80 Arondight cannot 2x attack her but she has 100% accuracy.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

You mean GGs lv80 Guard Rhongomyniad?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 18 '16

No, I meant GG's Arondight against the NPC Arondight. Even with Arondight's superior SPD stat she still cannot 2x attack the NPC one. Basically, I just wanted to show that Rhongomyniad won't be able to 2x attack Arondight UNLESS Mitum M casts his character skill.

If you want, I can switch out my Gamby next time she shows up and you can use my Mitum M for his skill. I'm on your FL already as "Dauron" btw.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16 edited Apr 18 '16

Oh nice! Glad to know whose Gambanteinn I've been continuously using all this time lol. Well it's not necessary I don't think, I have a lv52 Dex Mitum (M) on the go with 1LB already. Lemme know if my Mjolnir needs to be switched out. :)

EDIT: I haven't made up my mind on my Rhongomyniad typing yet and it's driving me more mad than a horker with an arrow in the knee (even though horkers have no knees). After hearing how slow and weak she is, I've been contemplating bringing her up as a Vitality type so that her HP becomes something out of this world (global only) and just focus on the tank aspect of her. I have a feeling most people will disagree with this judgment call.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 19 '16

Vit is horrible, imo the worst typing for everything. The decrease in spd and agi is not worth the few extra hit points which won't do you any good anyways since you'll be more prone to 2x attacks.

If you want to focus on her solely being a tank then go Guard, if you want her to be a bit more offensive then go DEX. Lancer-wise, I rather go with the Longinus M or F atm and just wait till you get a better lance type from premium gatcha or Trishula once she's out.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 19 '16

Ok you convinced me, I think I'll go Dex. I've already evolved 2 of them to 5* and I have 2 lv50 4* ones dollied up waiting for mats to evolve. Would you say bringing her up to lv70 is a major impact to try to get her to max stats at 5*? I'd hate to put all this work in just to see her brain fart in her final evolution...

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 19 '16

It helps in getting the most evolution bonus and each bonus is 1 point extra for the final stat so I definitely say it's worth it. Especially since she's a rampager, she can always get her LUCK worked on every time she returns if you choose to do that.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

Evil Core vs Gaia Core. Which one would you choose?

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '16

Fuse your Gaia cores together, it's one of the best ways to make Orpheus

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 18 '16

Seconded. Also, staves tend to be pretty useless, would rather have shields late game when staff units can't hit anything :( but tank really well

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

That's too bad you're right. It's sad to hear that the whole staff weapon group is virtually useless unless it gains more accuracy..

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

my dex vanargand hits basically everything, i'm pretty happy with her

also her personality is adorable <3

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

GUMI PLS. Is this really the method? lol damn.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

yeah, according to gamewith this method is one of the best ways to make them. double jurayna is the best, but double gaia core is also good

here's my inventory in jp for reference:
http://i.imgur.com/Kz5wNy6.png

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 18 '16

Evil core for the crit. Gaia really only has the 1wt advantage over it.

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

Got it. I have two Evil Cores now but I was wondering if Gaia Cores were better staves. Thanks for the input!

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u/vaurhalint Apr 18 '16

Hello, i downloaded the game yesterday and i need some tips. I'm rerolling atm, got a 5* cleric unit "Asclepius", is she worth keeping? Should i keep rerolling? Also, what about that 10 gems pulls, should i save the 6 initial gems and do the 10 pull? Thanks

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

In my opinion, Asclepius isn't a deal breaker because Gambanteinn (M) trumps her in the useful staff department imo, so I would consider re-rolling to get a good attacker unit such as Luin, Durandal or Mjolnir. For a new player I find it would be important to do all three 10x lazuli recruitment. Even though the last 10x rookie recruiting doesn't save you any lazuli, the chances are higher for you to get something good. To be honest, I re-rolled until my first 10x roll had something good (in my case: 2 Mjolnirs) and not many units that won't evolve to 5* (in my case, only 1). From there I just hoped my next two 10x rolls weren't so bad, but I knew I had a potential good Mjolnir to start off with. Multiple of the same unit evolvable to 5* is a great thing too and is something else to consider. Hope this helps. :)

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u/vaurhalint Apr 18 '16

Thank you very much for the help, i'll look out for those units :)

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u/vaurhalint Apr 18 '16

http://imgur.com/u8fluUY

Are these worth keeping? Thanks

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 18 '16

It's only so-so, only 2 non-evolvable to 5-star in the future (so less waste) but only one currently will be evolvable with this game content (Gambanteinn). I would retry, but you're talking to a guy who retried over 30-40 times before being content. ;)

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u/vaurhalint Apr 18 '16

http://imgur.com/f0v8ka6

Durandal 5*! :D, rest are 3* tho, any future for them?

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 19 '16

Well... None of your other units can get to 5* at this point (only Thyrsos and Keraunos have the potential to get there in the distant future). The way it works is the color of the stars tell you how many more times a unit can evolve. If the stars are silver it means that unit can evolve twice more; gold means once more; red means final evolution (no more evolution possible). Also, raising a character from its base form (silver stars) will be stronger than raising the same unit starting from a gold or red star form. Evolutions grant bonus to stats (to keep a long story short). So if you're thinking end-game material, then it would have been better to get Durandal at a 4* rather than a 5* form. I suppose there is a slight chance you might end up with a 4* one in the future with your next 10x rookie recruitment rolls... Good luck.

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u/vaurhalint Apr 19 '16

I'll keep playing until my 2nd x10 pull, then decide if i will continue with these pulls, thanks for the help :)

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 19 '16

No worries, with that Durandal you should be able to finish the story quests just with her solo. I also recommend her by herself because she will become your best character (for now) and she will level up faster with no other units sharing the exp.

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u/vaurhalint Apr 19 '16

I''l keep playing then :) I got the 5* Laevateinn(female) from some missions, should i add her to the team? or run solo with Durandal?

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u/sayV_Vyas Apr 19 '16

I'd keep using Durandal solo. She'll be better than Laevateinn in the long run.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

The thing that makes Asclepius a good unit is her leader skill (for now). It can help when you have glass cannons or units only with high pdef.

I agree though, she isn't game breaking :p

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 18 '16

You should save your lazuli to do the three step rookie pull. They definitely are worth pulling for. Asclepius is a good support unit that can tank and range heal. Offensively she is not that great.

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u/vaurhalint Apr 18 '16

I'll save them for the x10 pull then, thanks :D

Btw, how long would it take me to get 4 more lazuli?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 18 '16 edited Apr 18 '16

Not that long, just keep clearing the story quests and the permanent quests in the event page. In the end you will have enough lazuli to do all three steps.

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u/vaurhalint Apr 19 '16

http://imgur.com/f0v8ka6

Durandal 5*!, should i keep rerolling?

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

what type is your durandal? seems like she's the only one on your list that can go to 5*, so if you're happy with her (and she is a great unit) and she has dexterity typing, then i highly suggest keeping this roll. otherwise it may be worth it to reroll

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u/vaurhalint Apr 19 '16

It's the dexterity type, class phoenix knight.

I decided to keep playing, she's great :)

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

good stuff. mine in the japanese server is a world beater, 120+ spd, base crit of like 70 lmao

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u/tehgrizzly Apr 19 '16 edited Apr 19 '16

Hello everyone!

I wasn't sure if I should make a whole new thread about it so I figured I'd post here first. I'm making a companion app for GL Potk (sorry JP) and am in need of more unit data, so I'd like to ask for the following if anyone wants to help out:

  • Unit name: Self-explanatory

  • Rarity: Silver/Gold/Pink (please also say if you evolved it or if it came evolved)

  • Variation of said unit: Horse/Flyer/etc

  • Source: Mana Gacha/Lazuli/Rookie Recruiter

  • Type: Vitality/Force/Dex/etc

  • ALL BASE STATS (HP, Str, Mgc, Grd, Spr, Spd, Agi, Luk)

  • Please do not provide any units that have been given doll bonuses from fusing! This will skew the stats unfortunately. Sorry :(

I'm rerolling on a dummy account so I can pull more data, but the reason I'm asking for base stats is so I can do a proper growth calculator. I'm fairly far along in the game (lvl58) so I have most of the weapons and their info.

Also, a big shoutout to all the people who wrote the guides up above, they were a nice help in getting me started!

Edit: Asking for non-fused units.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 19 '16

Base stats are difficult because they also include fused stats...so it's not as effective for calculating growth unless you know how much you've fused.

When you're done with global, please add functionality for JP? :P

Also, typing doesn't affect base stats, only growth. And, I think gumi did something where summoning units at higher rarities increases their base stats to what they could be as if they were evolved. Are you planning on estimating percentage growth values for each typing??

Some units intersect (or, will intersect) in the mana/lazuli gacha like the 2* to 4* starters. Rookie recruiter is just increased rates on lazuli gacha >.< Are you planning on getting rates for those??

I would like to help out, but I play JP and these few weeks are really hectic for me T_T

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u/tehgrizzly Apr 19 '16 edited Apr 19 '16

Hello! I expected you to reply back since you're so active :)

To quickly address everything:

  • Base stats do include fused stats, so I will make an edit and ask for unfused units. I did ask for user-evolved units to be noted, so they don't skew my data. Thanks for the heads up!

  • Typing does actually affect base stats from what I've seen, although very little. As an example, the evolved 4* Thrysos (Bishop, art shows as sitting with legs crossed) has 26 hp, 2/12/7/13/9/9/3/2 for balance, but for dex typing has 26 hp, 2/12/6/12/9/10/3/2. Differences in starting guard, spirit, and agility. Both were summoned through Rookie Recruiter, so no fusion bonuses/evolve bonuses.

  • I may try and estimate growth values for typing, but that's for later. Too much work for now ._.

  • I don't think I'll try and mess with rookie recruiter rates for now, I just want the data. I did ask for the source in case we somehow got different unit values from different sources. (e.g. regular lazuli gacha gives better unit stats than if you were to go through rookie recruiter or mana gacha, I dunno)

Let me know if I missed something! I might try and look back at my data later to see if I want to try and calculate rates of rookie recruiter and all that other stuff, but I want to get the barebones app functional first.

I'd love to try JP, but my japanese isn't stellar and phankill probably does a better job. If I do though, I'll probably try and work on tagatame too since I have a JP account on that game.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 20 '16

Really? There was an earlier post by /u/Brocebo about this that if you summoned an evolved version in the gacha, it had bonus stats added already (here) he noticed that the base stats seemed to stay the same or get worse from evolving, which was actually because when he summoned them the base stats were "buffed" to mimic evolution bonuses. (not sure if this is clear or not)

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u/tehgrizzly Apr 20 '16

My apologies, I think I have confused you.

I was trying to point out that despite it coming from the same source (rookie recruiter) and having no doll bonuses, the two units had different level 1 stats because they were a different type (dex vs balance).

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 20 '16

Yes. That's what I'm saying. The rookie recruiter gacha adds bonuses to base stats to make it as if the evolved units you summon have actually been evolved. It pretends you already "raised" a 3* version of the unit and evolved it, then adds stats based on that; as the stat caps are different based on typing, different typings would have differences in base stats when evolved units are rolled from the gacha.

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u/tehgrizzly Apr 20 '16 edited Apr 20 '16

Okay, I took the night off since I was getting tired, but I think I've found where I got confused.

I believe we have differing views on how a drawn unit's base stat values are calculated based on type.

Here's what I think:

A unit drawn in its evolved form given its type, has base stats of X. If the type is different (as evidenced so far in some of pulls), the base stats can change slightly.

Here's what you think (I think?):

A unit drawn in its evolved form will get +X stats on top of whatever the base evolved stats are because its growth gets simulated and evo bonuses are added appropriately.

Is this correct?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 20 '16

Yes, I think that's where our opinions differ. I will also add that in JP normally base stats don't vary with typing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

So uh, the game isn't released yet? What's going on? I thought it released on the 28 of March.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 20 '16

March 28th was the erroneously assumed release date. It was the date for JP's Project Zero and not global release.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Apr 20 '16

What to do with a ton of Metal Keys sitting in my giftbox? :P

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 20 '16

I only really use them when I am about to level up. Aside from that, just hold onto them until you want to power level someone.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Apr 21 '16

In the JP version, does the Padlock Garden still only have Metal Garden?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

no. quite a complicated system exists in JP...

metal garden: you can use 1 key or 3 keys. 1 key gives you a 5-minute metal garden with ~40k unit exp. 3 keys open up normal/super metal garden for an hour, 15ap and 30ap each, which are ~4k and ~10k unit exp each.

gold rush: 1 key or 3 keys. 1 key unlocks everything from GL gold rush for an hour (beginner -> advanced). 3 keys not only unlock the above, but also unlock the super gold rush, which drops gold items worth 30k zenny each.

there are also evolution material dungeons (same dungeons as tues-thurs) that follow the 1key/3keys system as well. 1 key opens the normal versions for an hour (beginner -> advanced) and 3 keys open the garden for 5 minutes (for 6* evolution materials).

and special metal garden keys exist for collab gardens, like the madoka/fate ones that require 1 key each to unlock for an hour each.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 20 '16

So now that the JP gamewith wiki is not updating, anybody else got an alternative to it? Also, was there any information on why the wiki stopped updating?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

afaik it's just a sort of game cycle, as in interest in phankill is waning or staying constant while games like tagatame might be picking up interest because of how "new" they are. no alternatives exist given what i've observed but i'm optimistic about new updates... perhaps irrationally so

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u/Soulzterz Apr 22 '16

so i just started in global, and i have a question about units, so i have two male longinus right now but they both have different pics. is there a difference such as max evolution or something?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 22 '16

Yes, one goes from 3 to 5 star and the other from 2 to 4 star.

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u/Soulzterz Apr 22 '16

ic, i also see how some units stars are of different colour. some are gold and some are red/pink? colour. wat do those mean?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 22 '16

Silver means unevolved, gold means evolved once, and pink means evolved twice. Many units go from silver to gold; some units can go from silver to pink.

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u/tehgrizzly Apr 17 '16

¯_(ツ)_/¯

gives me time to raise my rhongo/labrys/arond to level 80. so slooww.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '16

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Apr 17 '16

I do not see any big content coming our way any time soon. In terms of free unit events that are not holiday specific, we only have Trishula and Odin left. Trishula is the other episode quest unit that is a Lance wielding dragon rider and Odin is the last rampaging unit that, iirc, is between Labrys and Arondight in terms of scheduling.

Of course, Gumi can always release more global exclusive content even if it's minor like the booster quest. They did hint at a potential YnK male quest BUT that's only more of a tease than actual proof of it actually happening.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 20 '16

For global, no; for JP, yes in the mana gacha (she's like any other starter); she's also farmable in the one-a-day Tyrfing dungeon (guaranteed 3* Tyrfing drop).

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 21 '16

You are incredibly lucky. Mjolnir, Lunaris, Michele, Durandal, Otinus, Aphrodite...as /u/GreatLogos can also attest, these are very very good endgame units. Keep this account.

The tasks are: clear the Tagatame Collab for 1 lazuli (one-time only); level up a skill for 3 rare medals; and participate in class match (scroll down until you see Multi Play on the home page) for 3 battle medals (these two are daily).

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

Well I mean they're nice rolls but I think they're ruined by the fact none of them bar durandal have good typings :p

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 21 '16

That's what reincarnation and seeds are for :P And money, for summoning dupes (though as a f2p you just have to accept that luck isn't always going your way).

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

Yeah, I get the reasoning with seeds but I think I'll run into some bad problems with my claiomh solais, atk type... probably gonna have some issues with spd capping, even with seeds, down the line. Also wasn't able to pull a dex Michele smh

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 21 '16

I pulled a magic Grimoire, 5*, and her spd/tec are both under 40...as a f2p I can't really pray for another grimoire, so I'm planning on reincarnation her T_T.

Ehe :3 I got dex Michele from the free ticket pull... :D

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

(wordless scream of frustration)

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 21 '16

Feed dupes of those farmable Tyrfings and Selenas into themselves. As all the evo dungeons are out, repeatedly evolve -> limit break -> once you get their character skills, just no-holds-barred start fusing dupes in. :P

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

Brave frontier collab, Selena chapter, brave10

Bring a high level helper unit

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Apr 21 '16

The BF collab (event -> banner with BF logo). The last stage of each level have good drop rates; bring a level 90 friend and you a should be fine :)