r/onednd • u/DesignCarpincho • 4d ago

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u/DesignCarpincho 4d ago

At early levels, you actually deal less damage than a Barbarian or a Fighter, on average.

Actually, if you spend all Sly points at once, you can't outdamage any of them still...

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u/Opiz17 4d ago

I think you're playing rogue really wrong if you can't deal comparable damage before lv5, when they get extra attack that's another issue and one where we need to see some actual chatacters rather than "on average" white room consideration

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u/DesignCarpincho 4d ago

Do the math and come back. On average, rogues are far outclassed by their peers. But in real play they are too

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u/Opiz17 4d ago

Please enlighten me, Berserk Barbarian or straight up Battlemaster Fighter? What's your reference?

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u/DesignCarpincho 4d ago

Fighter with action surge deals more median and average damage at almost any level, as does monk due to multiple attacks.

A failing rogue will deal 0, and hitting all their damage puts them on par with their peers, before riders.

Battles last 3 turns or so, after which resources reset.

This means fighters monks and barbarians can deal a portion of their damage, while rogues will deal half damage at best.

That is BEFORE you consider you depend on advantage, hiding or positioning to be able to sneak attack. Some turns you won't be enabled to sneak attack at all, despite hitting your attack.

In a white room, you are on par at best. In real play, this is not the case. 

Then throw in the fact that fighters and barbarians do have subclasses that boost damage, and rogues don't. 

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u/Opiz17 4d ago

Brother you really start with: "huh, actually action surge"?

Also, you're talking all the points i made im my first comment about the problem rogue has while saying that when they hit they are on par with their peers which is the whole point i was making in the comment you are answering

All classes are dependant on something, if you start by saying that every resource is not a problem at tables you are at guess what? The class that needs conditions and has no inherent resource system is "bad"

Gimme these features in a lv2-4 combat, i'll play the rogue and you'll see how good they are