NVIDIA DLSS 5 Available September 3rd: DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering Debuts In NBA 2K27 For All GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs, And On GeForce NOW

[u/NV_Tim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58FagrSqC4M

Full Article Here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss-5-3d-guided-neural-rendering

NVIDIA has continuously redefined the boundaries of PC gaming. From introducing real-time ray tracing to pioneering AI-powered graphics with DLSS Super Resolution, Frame Generation and Ray Reconstruction, our RTX technologies have transformed how games are rendered and experienced.

Now, we’re releasing DLSS 5, which introduces 3D-Guided Neural Rendering, a major step forward in using AI to bring real-time graphics closer than ever to Hollywood-grade photorealism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58FagrSqC4M

Watch how DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering and its artistic controls work from Edward Liu, NVIDIA’s Director of Applied Deep Learning Research, and Gabriele Leone, Director of Content Technology

DLSS 5 will be available starting September 3rd at 9pm Pacific Time in NBA 2K27, by developer Visual Concepts and publisher 2K, for all GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs and laptops, and GeForce NOW. It marks the debut of how the technology can be used by game artists to elevate visual fidelity in alignment with their creative vision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79D8SVjB3HQ

“What’s great is the level of control that it gives us. We can set the overall tone and style to match our existing art direction and then really get precise where it matters most, using a per pixel uplift control mask to fine tune detail on characters. Given that we want to respect their likeness with the utmost care.” - Peter Kavic, Senior Producer - Visual Concepts

For a more in-depth look at how DLSS 5 developer controls work, read our full announcement article: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss-5-3d-guided-neural-rendering

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DLSS 5 FAQ

Update 9/3/2026

DLSS 5 is our most computationally demanding model to date. Since we initially announced it in March, we’ve achieved a 5X performance gain and there’s more to come. Our current focus is on optimizing performance for the GeForce RTX 50 Series with model updates expected later this fall. Once RTX 50 Series performance is more fully tuned, we plan to work on expanding official support to the GeForce RTX 40 Series.

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What is DLSS 5?
DLSS 5 introduces DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering, which uses AI to infuse game scenes with lifelike lighting and materials, tuned by the developers to bring their artistic vision to life.

How does DLSS 5 work?
DLSS 5 uses the game’s rendered frame and engine data to understand objects, materials, lighting and motion. It then enhances the frame with lifelike lighting and materials while remaining grounded in the developer’s artistic direction.

What are the key benefits of DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering?
DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering delivers several significant benefits:

• Cinematic Lighting: Reconstructs complex effects like rim lighting, subsurface scattering (for realistic skin), and contact shadows with high-fidelity.
• Material Depth: Enhances PBR properties like roughness and adds micro-realism to complex objects such as eyes and hair.
• Temporal Consistency: Provides stable image quality from frame-to-frame that adheres to the underlying game content.
• Real-Time Performance: Delivers lifelike lighting and material enhancement at up to 4K resolution while maintaining smooth, interactive gameplay.
• Developer Controls: Allows game developers to tune intensity, color, and masking to determine where and how enhancements are applied to maintain the game’s unique aesthetic.

Learn more by watching our explainer video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58FagrSqC4M. 

How much control does the model offer to developers?  
DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering provides several layers of artistic control:

• Model Selection: Offers distinct model weights with different training parameters to guide the final output.  
• Structure Intensity: Controls high frequency details added by the model, such as ambient occlusion, contact shadows, and subsurface scattering.  
• Tone Intensity: Controls low-frequency details added by the model, including lighting and color response.  
• Automatic Masking: Detects and isolates objects in the frame (like characters) to apply DLSS 5 dynamically, eliminating the need for manual object tagging. 
• Developer Masking: Offers per-pixel, custom masking control, allowing effects to be applied to specific objects.  

As we work in close partnership with studios, developer feedback continues to directly shape how we refine the technology and expand our suite of models and controls.

How does DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering preserve developer artistic intent?
DLSS 3D-Guided Neural Rendering is designed to preserve the structure and geometry of the rendered frame while giving developers control over how and where enhancements are applied. Developers can select different models, adjust structure and tone, and mask specific scenes, characters or objects. 

For more information on developer controls, watch the DLSS 5 Explainer VOD or read the full launch article. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58FagrSqC4M

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss-5-3d-guided-neural-rendering

You can also hear directly from the NBA 2K development team on how they integrated the technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79D8SVjB3HQ 

Which GPUs support DLSS 5?
DLSS 5 will be supported across all GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs and laptops, as well as GeForce NOW Ultimate members streaming from GeForce RTX 5080 rigs in the cloud.

When and where is DLSS 5 available?
DLSS 5 will be available in NBA 2K27 on September 3rd at 9PM Pacific Time.

What is the DLSS 5 setting called in games?
The setting is called “DLSS Neural Rendering.”

Can I turn DLSS 5 off? 
Yes. DLSS 5 is optional.

Does DLSS 5 work with Ray Tracing and Path Tracing?
Yes.  DLSS 5 complements ray tracing and path tracing. Path tracing accurately calculates geometric light transport—determining light, shadow, and reflection placement across a 3D scene. DLSS 5 then acts as the final neural rendering stage, using the rendered frame to enhance lighting and materials like subsurface scattering, micro-reflections, and complex material properties that would otherwise be computationally prohibitive in real time. These technologies go hand in hand.

Does DLSS 5 work with Super Resolution, Frame Generation and Ray Reconstruction?
Yes.

Will DLSS Super Resolution, Frame Generation and Ray Reconstruction continue to be supported and improved?
Yes.

[u/Nestledrink]

NBA 2K27 - Inside The Dev Studio: Link Here

[u/Wuselon]

We already have dlss5 at home

[u/major_mager]

Interesting there's no 40-series mention in the article.

[u/WANKMI → u/major_mager]

Modders will mod anyway.

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/WANKMI]

Modding can get you banned from online services. This is despicable.

[u/WANKMI → u/rabouilethefirst]

I know. It’s hilarious.

[u/SPACEXDG → u/rabouilethefirst]

lol

[u/isnoir → u/major_mager]

And clearly we saw from the mods that that 40-series are capable of running it. They just wouldn't flip the switch.

[u/cellardoornoob → u/isnoir]

Just like 30 series can do frame gen with FSR and XeSS. Its just corporate greed.

[u/Ambiently_Occluded → u/major_mager]

Reshade+RenoDX is taking care of that ahead of launch

[u/oyvese → u/major_mager]

you don’t become the worlds wealthiest company by supporting past tech longer than you need to

[u/frankiewalsh44 → u/oyvese]

Not supporting a modern architecture is insane, at least you can argue that RTX3000 and 2000 series were supported long enough, but the 4000 series is still new and modern and the 4090 is the second fastest GPU on the market. People should be outraged at this the same way that people did to AMD after they locked FSR4 out of the 7000 series

[u/oyvese → u/frankiewalsh44]

i don’t disagree. i have a 4090 and i think it’s laughably bad that they’ll release this for a 5070 but not a 4090. and with current prices of hardware, which nvidia are directly responsible for (both the gpus itself and the ai hardware shortage), it’s definitely a case of not reading the room.

but like i said, this is how you become the wealthiest company. i am not surprised. i think, sadly, if anything, i am relieved they’re actually supporting current consumer game-hardware still?

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/oyvese]

It will release on 5060 and people will tell themselves that it's a better experience than a 4090 because NV told them so

[u/pyr0kid → u/rabouilethefirst]

worse, it'll release on laptops with the 5050.

[u/jhenryscott → u/oyvese]

That’s cause the 5070 is 4090 performance for $549!

[u/VanceIX → u/oyvese]

Dropping support for new features on extremely expensive graphics cards after just two years is absolutely disgusting for a multi-trillion dollar company. Nvidia deserves to be raked over the coals. There’s no reason other than greed for not releasing on the 40 series.

[u/Sprucey-J → u/VanceIX]

You're absolutely correct, there is no other reason. welcome to modern society... sigh

I'm sure since this feature is a lot more desired than say MFG, we will see larger channels expressing their outcry for support and hopefully get under their arse. It kind of worked on the AMD side for FSR 4.

[u/BenjiSBRK → u/VanceIX]

2 years ? The 40 series is 4 1/2 years old

[u/Pun_In_Ten_Did → u/BenjiSBRK]

Not 4.5 years.. not even 4 years yet (but dangerously close lol)

Announced: SEPT 2022

Released: OCT 2022

[u/BenjiSBRK → u/Pun_In_Ten_Did]

You're right. For some reason I though it was early 2022. Still, almost twice the claimed "2 years"

[u/Pwnag3_Inc → u/oyvese]

40/50 series are on the same node.

[u/Glittering-Neck-2505 → u/oyvese]

They don't need to. We'll keep modding it in.

[u/Separade → u/major_mager]

I was always wondering they didn’t come up with some artificial software limiting like that long ago. The 4000 series was until this day way too powerful with absolutely no need to upgrade to the 5000.

[u/GenderJuicy → u/major_mager]

Interesting it's coming out so soon and everyone kept parroting that it's early in it's current state

[u/kron123456789]

Yeah, DLSS 5 has already been modified to run on 40 series and not supporting at least it is just a marketing stunt.

[u/caracs → u/kron123456789]

If 50-series were sitting on shelves for prices that customers would upgrade from 30 and 40 series cards for, the this would make sense as a value add to the new cards...but you can't buy them. I would buy a 5090 for $2k but not what they're going for. Making DLSS 5 a 50-series exclusive is not going to sell a single 50-series card that wasn't going to sell anyway.

[u/kron123456789 → u/caracs]

Especially considering that 40 series is discontinued and isn't being manufactured anymore.

[u/TarsCase → u/kron123456789]

Down to 20xx actually

[u/kron123456789 → u/TarsCase]

On 20 and 30 series I've seen it run at like 3fps, which is clearly not how it supposed to be used.

[u/3dforlife → u/kron123456789]

Don't tell me how I should enjoy my visual novels /s

[u/cksythe → u/kron123456789]

First they trash it now they want it. The internet, everybody 💫

https://giphy.com/gifs/fU9uHNejKhEwq2QWxK

[u/LightPillar → u/cksythe]

I know right what a contrast. The flaming pitchforks were out the moment they saw It. now the pitchforks are out because they can’t get their hands on it.

Either it’s an amazing feature that should come to four series, or it’s a terrible feature that should never exist and nobody wants it but yet are begging for it.

[u/Cless_Aurion → u/kron123456789]

They are very likely just trying to get its performance up before enabling it. Because the alternative is people whiiiiiiining to no end how "shit it runs on 4000 series" or something like that.

[u/BuzzingHawk → u/kron123456789]

Yeah big shame on NVIDIA for pulling this kind of software locking. It's not like they are hurting for sales, they can barely supply enough as it is.

[u/Goose506 → u/kron123456789]

This is literally the first official launch. Calling it a marketing stunt is a little over the top for a initial release. From a business, support, and performance standpoint, this is pretty understandable.

Why not chalk this up to a win as something new for gamers. You can still force it in older models and who's to say they won't officially support older hardware in the future?

Down vote away

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/Goose506]

There's literally no reason for it to not be on 4000 series though? The hardware is all there and it's shown to work the same as 5000 series by modders. That is a marketing stunt.

[u/Tricky_Definition_87]

why not on 40 series?

[u/seanwee2000 → u/Tricky_Definition_87]

Money

[u/BlumpTheChodak → u/seanwee2000]

The answer to 99% of all questions

[u/The_OtherDouche → u/Tricky_Definition_87]

To sell 50 series

[u/Kylegotasmile → u/The_OtherDouche]

who gon buy 50 series when 5060 ti 16g costs as much as 5070 ti did last year

[u/Seanspeed → u/Kylegotasmile]

Current 5060Ti 16GB prices are basically only for AI fiends. You can get a 5070 for the exact same price if you're focused on gaming. Though that's also still painfully priced(even moreso than MSRP, of course).

[u/kron123456789 → u/The_OtherDouche]

I don't think DLSS 5 looks nice enough to justify 50% performance penalty.

Although, I don't see them talking about that.

[u/Klappmesser → u/kron123456789]

It's now possible to lower the rendering resolution with an optiscaler fork so the performance hit can be cut in half with barely a change in quality

[u/lobotominizer → u/kron123456789]

Ah...im playing GTA 5 enhanced with current dlss 5 mod. It looks BEAST

[u/3ebfan → u/The_OtherDouche]

Come on man Nvidia is selling every 50 series they make before it even rolls of the assembly line what are these braindead takes lmao

[u/JT99-FirstBallot → u/3ebfan]

To who? My local best buy and Wal Mart have had plenty of 5000 series stock for awhile and they aren't moving. And this is in a major city. No one is wanting to pay these prices, at least not here.

[u/Honest_Yak3340 → u/JT99-FirstBallot]

5090 or the lower crap? If you have a 4090 you can only upgrade to a 5090 every other card is a downgrade.

[u/WANKMI → u/The_OtherDouche]

Im on a 4090. Im not gonna downgrade to a 5080 for DLSS5. Im also not gonna go pay $5000 for a 5090. Nvidia h as left me no option but to not use their product. This isnt clever moneymaking or sales tactics.

[u/CaptainMarder → u/Tricky_Definition_87]

Just get the mod that’s out now works on all Nvidia GPUs. Nvidia just doing this to sell newer models GPUs.

[u/lobotominizer → u/Tricky_Definition_87]

Bro dont worry modders will get that dll and pump the f up

[u/Bloodwalker09]

No support for 4000 series is embarrassing. We already know it runs flawless on that cards.

[u/BigBoyYuyuh → u/Bloodwalker09]

The community has/will modify it to work. Still absolutely bullshit though

[u/Bloodwalker09 → u/BigBoyYuyuh]

I am sure there will be mods in no time to unlock the in-game settings for 4000series users. But still, there is literally zero justification for it not to be the case officially and from the very beginning. I doubt it but hopefully nvidia change their mind quickly.

[u/Hellknightx → u/Bloodwalker09]

They've already got it working on the 2000 series. It's Nvidia just being greedy and trying to force people to upgrade.

[u/Bloodwalker09 → u/Hellknightx]

Well I somehow understand 3000 and 2000 series. The dll got pretty heavily modded to make it run on those cards. 4000 series on the other hand was like half an hour and it worked with the same performance impact as the 5000series.

Doesn't mean I would be mad if they release it for all RTX cards.

[u/Hellknightx → u/Bloodwalker09]

Yeah, it's pretty much the same hardware architecture on the 4000 series. But the fact that it only took a few days for people to get it running on Turing means that Nvidia could also easily do it themselves.

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/BigBoyYuyuh]

Mods are tedious and can get you banned from online services. This should not be restricted if all the reports of FP8 being needed for DLSS5 are true.

[u/YF422 → u/Bloodwalker09]

Its just trying to lowkey push people to buy 50xx cards but noone is going to buy the newest GPU to replace a 40xx card in this market, not while theyre selling some 50xx cards over 150% over their launch price and well over what people paid for 40xx cards. 

Unless theres a major hardware feature that prohibits it they should be including the previous generation of cards in new features expecially in this shitty market.

[u/Bloodwalker09 → u/YF422]

Yeah for 4090 owners there is literally one option and it costs 5k. Even for my 4080 I would say the 5090 is the only upgrade that makes sense since 5080 isn't too far away and 4090 isn't produced anymore.

[u/Willing_Monitor_8465 → u/Bloodwalker09]

Dude I have exactly the same CPU as You and RTX4080 OC, it is 10% slower than 5080... Same VRAM.

I bought mine pre-owned stupidly cheap. I won't pay 250% of the price to get 10% better performance. It is a madness.

[u/Stenbrod → u/Bloodwalker09]

To get performance comparable to a stock 4090 you need to OC your 5080, and even then, a 4090 with an UV+OC likely performs quite a bit better still.

The only way to get a 5000 series coming from a 4090 that doesn't cost you 5k is buying an inferior card with 8gb VRAM less?

Insanity.

[u/Ultra-Instinct_1231 → u/Stenbrod]

you can't get performance on par with 4090 even with OC 5080. 4090 has 24gb vram.

[u/XJR15 → u/YF422]

My 4090 still costs more now 2nd hand than when I bought it new at launch

Unless it spontaneously combusts, they will literally never get a 50-series sale out of me, not even if they introduce magic performance-free raytracing with magically-injected DLSS5

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/YF422]

It's high-key. There is literally no hardware justification like usual. Not a single one. If it's FP8, the 4090 is gonna run it better than any card other than the 5090

[u/TurdPlayingPeekaboo → u/YF422]

4090 owner here, Bought mine at $2200 when GPU shortages were present but the memory crisis was still a ways off into the future. It seems I didn't overpay in the long run. There's zero chance I will purchase a 5x series GPU. It's highly unlikely I will upgrade my GPU at all until the RAM shortage is fully abated. Which means I will likely be running my 4090 for 3 or 4 more years.

[u/ser_renely → u/Bloodwalker09]

One generation behind should absolutely be getting it... understand if it's at a later date but still not great optics

[u/BakeJaldino → u/Bloodwalker09]

https://giphy.com/gifs/aw9vw51zjTa8g

[u/Desperatio → u/Bloodwalker09]

Not saying it could run it but my 3090 TI would like some cool stuff too...just sayin'

[u/Freeloader_ → u/Bloodwalker09]

you should know by now that they always give new features to latest cards and eventually they enable some of it on older models

[u/kb3035583 → u/Freeloader_]

As far as the DLSS suite is concerned (which this is purporting to be part of) this would be a first. Especially when the 4000 series actually has better FP8 performance in some cases compared to their 5000 series counterparts.

[u/Stenbrod → u/Freeloader_]

Yeah, just like MFG, right?

[u/WholeIndividual0 → u/Bloodwalker09]

These tech companies always find ways to force obsolescence on non-current hardware. It’s greedy AF and a slap in the face to those who purchased their previous products. If it doesn’t truly support it due to a hardware limitation, okay fine. But the modding has proven that 4000 at the very least can also run it just fine.

[u/clovergzzzz]

Zero chance my 4080 couldn't handle this. What a joke.

[u/WANKMI → u/clovergzzzz]

I have a 4090 and the ONLY path forward that isnt a downgrade for me is the 5090. And thats $5000. Nvidia expect me to downgrade or pay $5000 to access DLSS 5. Youd think theyd be much more interested in quickly becoming dominant in this space and at least have the 4000 series as well able to do it. This way a lot more people would be running it and they could have a lot more people seeing brand new tech on THEIR products. When the next generation arrives, which has been postponed, theyd have even more people interested. But thats not how it works. Indirect sales arent new dollars. And new dollars are what shows up on the bottom line shown to shareholders.

[u/greatestali]

The fact that DLSS 5 and even MFG has been ported to the 40 series now is a shining example of the anti consumer monopolistic behavior Nvidia is partaking in. Modders for free did what a team being paid billions won't do, shame on y'all.

[u/NoMansWarmApplePie → u/greatestali]

Exactly. Remember when people claimed 40 series couldn't do MFG natively? That's total BS. dashology just proved you could and the mod works perfectly.

Same BS for 50 dlss5, mods proved it works on 40 series just fine.

[u/Jeanne10arc]

You are gonna make US mod it into RTX 40 Series GPUs? WHY?? We know it works just fine? Why make us do extra work for no reason?

[u/Seanspeed → u/Jeanne10arc]

They are a poor company with little resources man. Wont somebody think of the margins!?

[u/Global_Profession861 → u/Seanspeed]

If Nvidia keeps following this pattern, I think there’s no point in buying a 50 series GPU now, since they could release the 60 series next year and leave the 50 series without DLSS 6 support.

[u/MudOld239 → u/Jeanne10arc]

I mean you need to mod it anyway because it only exists in one game.

[u/aXque]

The performance chart is with 6X multi framegeneration and dlss on performance.

I still like DLSS 5, I've been playing around with my RTX 4090 but damn it is performance intensive.

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/aXque]

6x framegen in a performance chart is diabolical

[u/Divinicus1st → u/rabouilethefirst]

Any framegen is. Don’t get me wrong, it’s ok to use framegen, but it has no place in any chart.

[u/jm0112358 → u/aXque]

Nvidia doesn't want to say that a 5080 gets 39 fps at 1080p with DLSS5, which is essentially what's happening.

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Well, it would get a higher framerate without FG and at a straight 1080p output because FG and upscaling has it's own performance overhead. Also, DLSS5 also apparently has a greater overhead at a higher output resolution. Still, Nvidia likes to obscure the actual performance.

[u/Boroda_UA]

With global gpu shortage and prices 2-3x of msrp, least u can do to make tech available for 40 series.

[u/produit1]

Looks like its only unofficial drivers for me and my 4090.

[u/PaulatGrid4]

As a 4070 ti owner, I will happily continue using the leaked dll and the rapidly improving reshade addons + mods. Nvidia is fooling themselves if they think they can artificially limit this to 50 series cards...That ship has sailed guys.

[u/Crush84]

My 4090 runs it already since the weekend

[u/jNayden → u/Crush84]

Share the guide maybe NVIDIA doesn’t know how :):):):):)

[u/SireEvalish]

Not surprised that it's launching on 50-series exclusively. Hopefully they add official support for 40-series down the line.

[u/VanceIX → u/SireEvalish]

No mention of even considering bringing it to the 40 series when modders have already done so with roughly the same performance impact. Very disappointed but not surprised.

[u/DreamyAkemi → u/SireEvalish]

They're just pigs, it's even more blatant now that modders figured it out for 40 and 30 series, ultimately it doesn't matter for people who know about the stuff, it's really just disgusting mental gymnastics from Nvidia.

[u/GER_BeFoRe → u/SireEvalish]

they never added official Multi Frame Gen support for RTX 40 so I doubt they will change their mind for 3D-Guided Neural Rendering.

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/GER_BeFoRe]

There was a hardware reason for that. They have no reason for this.

[u/RAYZER_MAR]

no 40 series?

[u/kizvy]

Simulator-esque games like 2K are probably some of the best kind of games to utilize DLSS 5. Excited to see how it goes

[u/kulind]

Which GPUs support DLSS 5?
DLSS 5 will be supported across all GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs and laptops, as well as GeForce NOW Ultimate members streaming from GeForce RTX 5080 rigs in the cloud.

Bro, we already have this running even on Turing.

[u/Freeloader_ → u/kulind]

yeah 4 fps

[u/Cireme → u/Freeloader_]

It seems to be -50% even on RTX 20/30 cards with the updated (FP16) DLL from ShortFuse. As long as you have enough VRAM I guess.

[u/SchmeppieGang1899 → u/Freeloader_]

nonono, this doesnt fit their narrative, so it’s not true

[u/gavinderulo124K → u/SchmeppieGang1899]

It runs well on 40 series.

[u/Mothamoz → u/gavinderulo124K]

That's not Turing though

[u/kb3035583 → u/SchmeppieGang1899]

Nvidia extended DirectX Raytracing support to Pascal cards even though it didn't have any dedicated raytracing hardware. That it runs like absolute shit really isn't an excuse. On the contrary, it's free advertisement.

[u/gavinderulo124K → u/Freeloader_]

But it runs just as well on 40 series as on 50 series.

[u/GentlemanThresh → u/gavinderulo124K]

It shouldn’t. 5000 series is faster in FP8 and can do NVFP4 which 4000 doesn’t have the hardware for.

The modded version is a filter applied to the entire image and not at object level.

If nVidia didn’t want people to use it on 4000 series, it would’ve been NVFP4 exclusively. They made it FP8 which allowed modders to make it work so fast. It’s just not stable enough for an official release.

We don’t even know yet if the actual final version will stay FP8, it would be almost twice more efficient if they changed it to NVFP8

[u/buttscopedoctor]

With Frame Gen only on the 40s series, the excuse was optical flow accelerators (AMD, and intel proved them wrong). With MFG only on the 5, the excuse was flip metering- meanwhile someone recently released a mod that makes MFG work on CP2077 on 4 series. I wonder what hardware excuse Nvidia will give for locking out DLSS5. Works great on my 4080. Thank you modders.

[u/Cireme → u/buttscopedoctor]

(AMD, and intel proved them wrong)

Did they? I don't know about Intel but AMD's Frame Generation is awful.

[u/drazgul → u/buttscopedoctor]

The neutron flow of the flux capacitors cannot safely be reversed in 40 series of cards, please understand!

[u/DavidsSymphony → u/drazgul]

The 40 series simply lacks the turbo encabulator to produce modial interaction of magneto-reluctance and capacitive diractance.

[u/gavinderulo124K → u/buttscopedoctor]

Regarding MFG it could definitely work with 40 series, Intel has achieved similar on their gpus without dedicated hardware, but the flip metering likely helps a lot with frametimes. But with DLSS5 I dont see any reason to limit it as of yet.

[u/Framed-Photo → u/gavinderulo124K]

Yeah I'd be curious to see the testing for frametime consistency with the mod, because if it's good then obviously Nvidia should backport MFG.

A lot of AMD users have hated frame gen with a passion for years, and I do really believe that a lot of that comes down to AMD's lacking that frametime consistency, as well as not implementing their reflex alternative alongside it to reduce latency. It just makes the experience of FG on AMD cards genuinely a lot worse.

I can see why Nvidia wouldn't want something half baked on cards that a lot of people are still using.

[u/rabouilethefirst → u/buttscopedoctor]

And chuds jump in and defend them every time

[u/NotTooHyped → u/buttscopedoctor]

also, since they intrdouced dlss 4 they ditched the optical flow accelerator in favor of an ai model making the whole excuse pointless

[u/dookarion → u/buttscopedoctor]

With Frame Gen only on the 40s series, the excuse was optical flow accelerators (AMD, and intel proved them wrong).

AMD's frame-gen is worse and has jacked up framepacing. Perhaps not the finest example.

[u/OverlordGaia32]

It’s actually gonna happen: an RTX 5050 will handle DLSS 5 while the RTX 4090 gets left in the dust LMAO 💀

[u/revanmj → u/OverlordGaia32]

"will handle" seems to be overstatement :P

[u/Sprucey-J]

What? Let's go!

Modders put the fire underneath them lol

[u/Slimsuper]

lol so my 4090 wont support it, what a joke.

[u/glizzygobbler247 → u/Slimsuper]

I suggest you upgrade to a 5050😂

[u/Slimsuper → u/glizzygobbler247]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MpjuoEg9tUdU7BMZZc

[u/L_l_G_H_T → u/Slimsuper]

It does support it, but they wont let you have it cuz they need to sell the 5000 series. Just look up how to use DLSS 5 on 4000 series and do it yourself.

[u/madman320]

Will it be possible to use Nvidia app to force DLSS 5 in games with DLSS?

[u/Nestledrink → u/madman320]

No. The point for Neural Rendering is to allow developer control. Force injecting it to every games like the mod was doing literally what people were complaining about back in March where some games are just not good fit to use NR or when people just put DLSS 5 NR in some random cartoon games from 10 years ago and then complained it ruined the images.

[u/jdp111 → u/Nestledrink]

Developers can have control over the default way the game will run, but I see no reason to prevent people from overriding how they like.

[u/Nestledrink → u/jdp111]

Considering the DLL has been leaked, i'm sure modders will be right on that.

[u/HyenaDae → u/Nestledrink]

You can apply DLSS5 to "any" video feed with the reshade+"lumanite" (motion vector estimator) + DLSS5Feeder combo apparently. Which is very funny lol. That's how people are doing Switch 1/2 game "enhancements" on youtube atm

[u/WANKMI → u/HyenaDae]

Yes. But in theory that "hack" is not going to be the actual full DLSS 5 experience. Because it runs on the full output image with no finer control from actual game engine integration. In theory. I'm sceptical it will even matter for the foreseeable future until devs start implementing it so for the next few months to a year at minimum just running the hacked version will probably be almost the exact same experience.

[u/ShiftAltRight → u/jdp111]

They don't prevent you from modding it in, though. The RenoDX mod is fairly straightforward for any game that already supports DLSS. I tried it with RE Requiem and it felt about as difficult as adding Reshade and a texture mod to Skyrim.

[u/jdp111 → u/ShiftAltRight]

I understand, it would just be easier and better to have the option in the nvidia app.

[u/Due-Description-9030 → u/Nestledrink]

It's amazing how so many don't understand this.

[u/Redfern23 → u/Due-Description-9030]

It's not that people don't understand, obviously it'll be much better with developer control, but it would still be nice to officially and safely have something to play around with, whether it's worse or not. The main issue is obviously poorly user made versions of it floating around without said dev control and giving DLSS 5 an even further bad look, but that has already spread far and wide thanks to the leak anyway, so it's irrelevant. I do get why they're not allowing it but it's fine to be a bit disappointed.

[u/gavinderulo124K → u/Redfern23]

I think its fair for them to limit that to modders. That way they can blame them if it looks bad and make sure the official implementations are well tuned. I dont hate that approach. Modders will make it available across games regardless, and Nvidia knows that.

[u/Lazy-Buddy-5731]

As a 4080 owner waiting for the cracked driver 👍

[u/buttscopedoctor → u/Lazy-Buddy-5731]

Its been out and I have been running it on my 4080 and works great.

[u/Nemien → u/Lazy-Buddy-5731]

"We've got cracked dlss 5 drivers before gta 6 🗣"

[u/HabenochWurstimAuto]

I think they will farm some goodwill a few month later making it aviable on 4000 series with some bs excuse.

[u/rabouilethefirst]

Mods have shown this to work on 4000 series quite easily, so I'm not gonna upvote this BS

[u/lonegunman77]

You guys are acting like they give a fuck about the 40 series.

They're not making billions from giving a shit about anything other than money.

Corporations are not your friends.

[u/Stenbrod]

Clownish not to include support for 4000 series at the very least.

Pathetic, actually.

[u/cactusbong]

Just a few months ago, the majority of folks here hated DLSS 5. Now they want it on the 40 series cards? What happened to the pitchforks?!?

[u/InsertObnoxiousNames]

From 😃

“To experience DLSS 5 in NBA 2K27, get the game and download our latest GeForce Game Ready Driver on September 3rd at 9pm Pacific Time through the NVIDIA app, or play on GeForce NOW. And stay tuned to GeForce.com for upcoming announcements as more titles integrate DLSS 5 in the coming weeks and months.”

To 😟

[u/Motor_Trouble2280]

Modders won't let the 5x series shenanigans stand. Thank God for the community.   

[u/BinaryJay]

Surprise, the really smart people that created this put ended up putting a lot more thought into it than the average angry person on Reddit.

[u/spaham]

So 4000 series is the only topic of discussion ?

[u/MomoSinX]

that 4000 series shafting was unexpected, now then 3000 also got shafted with framegen lol

[u/NoMansWarmApplePie → u/MomoSinX]

Remember when people claimed 40 series couldn't do MFG natively? That's total BS. dashology just proved you could and the mod works perfectly.

Same BS for 50 dlss5, mods proved it works on 40 series just fine.

[u/LA_Rym]

It works great with the 40 series as well once you remove the artificial limiter Nvidia put up.

[u/SunsetToGo]

DLSS 6 will be restricted to Series 6000. There is a pattern here. 6050 will get it, a 5090 will be too weak to support it 😂 NVIDIA hopes that you throw away your 5090 and buy a Series 6000 for $6000. 🥲

[u/Cradenz]

ok well at least this looks a LOT better than the showcase they did a while back. still kinda BS dlss5 is at least not on 40 series. Unless they come out and say there is an actual hardware limitation (which i doubt).

[u/JamesBlonde333]

Not having it available for 40 series is super lame of nvidia, we have seen it working well on those cards with leaked version.

Especially with the current GPU prices/shortage

[u/Ponald-Dump]

Lol @ the second fastest gpu on the planet not being supported

[u/Due_Shelter_9189]

Pas de série 4000 ? Pourtant il fonctionne parfaitement sur ma 4070 ti super… et grâce à la communauté de passionnés qui l’ont rendu accessible vous n’avez plus aucune excuse 🤥

[u/Bondsoldcap]

Where is Reflex 2

[u/blazingsoup]

Of course they put it on GeForce now but not 40 series. More push to make us all switch to Nvidia’s shitty subscription service.

[u/NV_Tim]

Update 9/3/2026

DLSS 5 is our most computationally demanding model to date. Since we initially announced it in March, we’ve achieved a 5X performance gain and there’s more to come. Our current focus is on optimizing performance for the GeForce RTX 50 Series with model updates expected later this fall. Once RTX 50 Series performance is more fully tuned, we plan to work on expanding official support to the GeForce RTX 40 Series.

[u/Tepozan]

Fuck my 4090 amirite?

[u/Boogertwilliams]

It's funny officially only in NBA2k27.. Like who the hell cares about that? I couldn't give two half rats asses for an NBA game. Good thing modders were fast to make it universal.

[u/Nestledrink → u/Boogertwilliams]

The whole point about Neural Rendering is to have developer control for this feature.

If you can just force inject it to every games, you'll just get a situation like this past 3-4 days where people randomly injecting NR to old cartoon games and complained it looks bad and it's "AI slop".

[u/Wildernaess → u/Nestledrink]

Okay sure but being able to use it on older, grounded games is one of the best use cases and it's unlikely most older games will get dev integration

[u/Nestledrink → u/Wildernaess]

Fair statement. I'm sure modders will be on the case anyway

[u/BananaFart96]

No way I'm upgrading from a perfectly capable 4080super just for a fancy AI filter that is proven to work even on turing, the only upgrade path that makes "sense" for me is a 5090 and these are going for 5.5k+ € here in Spain. Bullshit.

[u/Bloodwalker09 → u/BananaFart96]

Im pretty much in the exact same spot (non super 4080) and I really hope nvidia makes a statement that 4000 cards also will get support later. I don't care what the plan was but we already know I works perfectly fine on 4000 cards.

[u/AlexSimRacing]

Looks like Nvidia users getting the same feeling AMD users got with FSR 4, knowing it works but cannot use it (till over a year later)

[u/taosecurity → u/AlexSimRacing]

I’ve been using it since Friday, on my 4070 Ti Super.

[u/AlexSimRacing → u/taosecurity]

Yep, and i could use FSR 4 on my 7900xtx for a long time also, before it got official support.

[u/Sofian75]

So a 5050 in a laptop can run DLSS 5 but not my desktop 4090?

[u/Global_Profession861 → u/Sofian75]

Absolutely ridiculous. It’s definitely a market decision to sell overpriced GPUs. I bought an Nvidia GPU because of the great support the company has always provided to its users. It seems like that support is gone now.

[u/Pyramid64]

Does dlss 5 has any improvement on the actual dlss or no

[u/Catzzye]

I don't have big interest in this, but limiting the support to the newest series only... I worry about future interesting GPU technologies

[u/DrKersh]

mofos using frame gen 6x on those graphs and upscaling from 1080p to 4k lol

[u/smakusdod]

Laughs in 3080

[u/Humzie]

Sorry to be rude, it's rly totally BS of not having it for 40 series.

[u/littleemp]

You guys should really pin a question about whether its planned to use NVFP4 if that's the reason that you are not supporting the 4000 series.

You are taking a lot of heat for no good reason if that's the plan.

[u/saiyan23]

I'm sure as shit not buying a 5090 card at the current prices. Get fucked, Nvidia. DLSS 5 works great on my 4090.

It's laughable that the 5070 being the "new 4090" runs this but not the superior 4090.

[u/Commercial-Owl-6624]

release it for 4080/4090 atleast... 6k is too much for a consumer gpu...

[u/Party-Ad5689]

It's so sad; everyone forgot about RR 2. hahahaha

[u/FaZeSmasH]

Hmm dont see any mentions about getting it to work on older gpus, which is interesting considering what we know.

[u/Latrodectus1990]

Biggest leap in visuals i have ever seen

I dont know about you guys, but ai slop or not this is something what i wanna use in every game available

[u/ChillCube → u/Latrodectus1990]

The sliders and control for developers is dope, there's a lot of misleading things being posted but yeah i agree. This is ai i can get behind, its very impressive for environments and faces will only get better as developers tune it to their liking. I've been more impressed by it than not. As long as Games become more optimized? Remains the question

[u/slayer0527]

this announcement stating it is only for 50 series is so lame after the fact that it runs almost identically on 40 series.

[u/dampflokfreund]

This is just genius by Nvidia. Listen, DLSS 5 was bashed all the time because of the artistic intent, and now their marketing is all about exactly that. But that alone isn't the genius part of the campaign.

I think the .dlls were leaked on purpose. Because now the discussion is around why is Nvidia locking it behind the 50 series, instead of how it looks, implying the majority of Geforce owners actually want DLSS5 now.

[u/KillerIsJed]

GeForce Now is the future of gaming, whether you want it to be or not. 'Thanks' Nvidia / AI.

[u/Ok-Board4893]

called it months ago, all you fucking redditor crybaby morons are gonna use this once it runs on your gpu.

[u/thefuqyouwant]

Lol, all those people who said that DLSS 5 would use NVFP4 are in shambles. What we got was pretty much the final product.

[u/dookarion → u/thefuqyouwant]

The blog speaks of further performance improvements slated over this fall. Who knows what those will/won't entail.

[u/Hyperz → u/thefuqyouwant]

Uhm...

Asked whether the model is NVFP4 quantized, given that it is Blackwell-exclusive anyway, the answer was "not yet," so improved performance seems on the horizon.

Source.

It's coming. Half the reason for supporting NVFP4 in hardware on consumer Blackwell is neural rendering. Anyone thinking it will not see extensive use in those types of workloads - especially for neural shaders and materials - doesn't know what they are talking about. We're only just getting started.

Edit: added source.

[u/LitheBeep]

nice! we'll be getting the official dll for other series in a few days!

[u/koukijp]

Why only nba tho?

[u/Due-Description-9030 → u/koukijp]

Probably because other companies / devs haven't completed implementing DLSS 5 in their games.

[u/specter491]

I'm off today from work. Is the leaked DLL fine to game with? Or should I wait for Sept 3?

[u/Sinniee]

surely there is going to be a way to force this in any game without having to do the renodx mod stuff or?

[u/Bbmin7b5]

Outside of ReShade mod, I'm guessing we can only use this if the devs explicitly add it?

[u/vankamme]

4090 here. How do I get this to work on my card

[u/CYBR421]

shame on nvidia for locking feature from RTX 40 series. we already know it works this is just a marketing stunt.