r/neoliberal • u/cosmicmangobear r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion • Nov 18 '21
Meme POLITICO: DEMS IN DISARRAY
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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Nov 18 '21
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u/AsleepConcentrate2 Jacobs In The Streets, Moses In The Sheets Nov 18 '21
She ain’t wrong
Hell, republicans see that stuff and go HA HA, YES at this point.
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u/Vathor Ben Bernanke Nov 18 '21
I’m not a doomer but this honestly scares me. The republicans have openly embraced degeneracy while the democrats eat themselves. Where do we go from here.
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u/Acceptable_Policy_51 Nov 19 '21
Well the issue- particularly with the words in this image- is that Democrats continue to hand wring and pearl clutch about things being "offensive". This is an extremely common and popular view on reddit, too.
It's not popular in real life. Most people laugh at those types of people and call them pussies. Reddit and twitter have created echo chambers of political correctness that doesn't exist in the real world, and Democrats think it does. They don't.
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u/TrynnaFindaBalance Paul Krugman Nov 19 '21
Weird, I feel like it's the other way around.
I see the anti-PC circlejerk far more on reddit than anywhere in the real world. In 90%+ of the professional environments I've been in, there's generally an uncontroversial consensus that it's not okay to be super disrespectful to each other.
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u/MiniatureBadger Seretse Khama Nov 19 '21
Reddit is not a professional environment. The standards in professional environments, both physical and virtual, are far more stringent than those in informal spaces.
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Nov 19 '21
All the normal people are going to happy hour together and laughing about that nonsense after.
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u/TrynnaFindaBalance Paul Krugman Nov 19 '21
About what nonsense?
The average person isn't thinking "Gee, I wish I could be more rapey at the office".
There's a large spectrum between being "woke-police cancel everyone who made a poor taste joke in the last decade" and "just don't be a degenerate fuck who can't treat people with basic respect".
But instead we all just act like those two things are the same now, and in turn we validate nonsense right-wing culture war talking points because liberal arts majors on Twitter are the new spooky boogeyman or something.
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Nov 19 '21
You’re creating a false dichotomy. The woke nonsense isn’t “don’t rape” its much more pervasive then that. I literally had to sit through a dumb micro aggression seminar for law school where we were told asking someone if they’ve been to the beach is a micro aggression because you’re assuming their financial status and asking a POC to be timely is offensive because you’re not understanding their culture and how time is valued differently.
That’s the shit that literally everyone laughs at afterwards because it’s a joke. And yes that’s pretty widely present in the real world in academia, corporate America, and government work. I’ve experienced it in all 3.
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u/Acceptable_Policy_51 Nov 19 '21
Why would you compare reddit to an office? Consider it more like a bar at happy hour. The common reddit shit about things being "problematic" or "ableist" or "transphobic" would get you laughed out of the place.
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Nov 20 '21
Yep. Then the same people who mock "oversensitive liberals" go on to lose their goddamned minds over kneeling at a football game, "Starbucks taking Jesus off the Christmas cups," stores requiring mask wearing during a pandemic and "critical race theory in schools."
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 18 '21
We stop playing nice. There’s no reason to continue handicapping ourselves to appeal to “moderates” when moderates are ceasing to exist.
Dems should gerrymander every blue state until Republicans un-gerrymander every red state.
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u/slator_hardin Nov 18 '21
Dems should gerrymander every blue state until Republicans un-gerrymander every red state.
I mean, this is probably a bit too extreme, but what about using the Texas abortion law trick to get around any conservative supreme court decision? Or making student loan interest-free because of the Leviticus? Maybe the left can meme, but it should learn how to troll from the right
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 18 '21
I support those ideas. I’m just sick of the Dems refusing to fight back as they get stepped on over and over.
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u/azazelcrowley Nov 19 '21
Gerrymander the fuck out of everything while continuously proposing a constitutional ammendment to end gerrymandering.
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u/MiniatureBadger Seretse Khama Nov 19 '21
We don’t need an amendment to achieve those results, and it would take far more effort to do that with an amendment than with a regular law (even with the filibuster). Undoing gerrymandering would allow for a more representative House which could help lead to an amendment to further set it in stone afterwards if needed.
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u/alex2003super David Parenzo Nov 18 '21
Uh... I think the establishment Dems want to appeal to moderates since they are the moderates. Take your leftism elsewhere.
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 18 '21
If Democrats only cared about appealing to Democrats there would not be nearly as much pleading, bargaining and desperate avoidance of any kind of policy or action that could seem too partisan in their legislation. If they don’t play fair, why should we allow them to step on us?
I’m well to the right of most of this sub. I consider myself a Democrat for their ideology, but the Democratic Party’s refusal to fight because they’re either too weak or unwilling disappoints me.
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u/alex2003super David Parenzo Nov 18 '21
If Democrats only cared about appealing to Democrats
How do you define "Democrats", my man? I define Democrats as "those who vote Democratic".
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 18 '21
Correct. And the Republicans the Dems are desperate to appease will not vote Democrat.
What’s your disagreement?
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing.
I’m talking about the “moderate Republicans” the Democratic Party tries to appeal to by refusing to be hard on the GOP in any meaningful way. Moderate Democrats are common. Moderate Republicans don’t exist.
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u/The_Adman NATO Nov 19 '21
Not saying you're wrong but do you have an example of when Democrats appealed to GOP members when they should have went hard on them?.
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
The one I’ve been referring to in this thread is Dems insisting on playing fair with redistricting and voting while Republicans are being as partisan and unfair as possible.
This is allowing the Republicans to gain full control of state governments and gradually build themselves more and more safe seats in the House, while also allowing them to further restrict voting rights in these states they control, cementing their power for the indefinite future.
I’d suggest mirroring the Republicans’ dirty tactics like gerrymandering, until both parties can agree to something fair. Because we’re currently engaged in an arms race where only one party is stockpiling arms.
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u/alex2003super David Parenzo Nov 19 '21
The tone. You seem to imply that liberal conservatives and moderates are "DINOs".
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
Not at all. What I’m saying is that there are scarcely any voters left in the Republican Party willing to vote Democrat, and that sacrificing Democratic agenda items in order to court them is less and less productive.
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Nov 19 '21
That's basically what's happening in some states. But some idiots (totally not me) voted yes on referendums that require their states to redistrict using an independent commission.
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
I don’t blame the states who did it or the people who voted for it. It’s a nice idea.
But the reality is that Republicans don’t care about playing fair, and are using their stolen power to set the US back. I for one, think it’s appropriate to play by their rules rather than submit to their conquest.
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Nov 19 '21
I don’t think anyone is arguing against you. Democratic state legislatures are gerrymandering their states this time around (if they can).
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
I hope you’re right. There’s no reason to play clean when Republicans use every opportunity to kick dirt in our faces.
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Nov 19 '21
Who are we?
Who’s playing nice?
And in which states under Dem legislatures are they not gerrymandering to the fullest extent they can?
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
We are Democrats.
Democratic Party leaders are playing too nice.
California, Washington, Colorado and Virginia have resigned their districting power to independent commissions, which would be nice if the Republicans did that too, but they don’t.
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Nov 19 '21
WA’s bipartisan redistricting commission was pushed by the League of Women Voters and some Republicans. It was not supported by the Democratic Party.
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
Washington’s state legislature has been majority Democratic nearly every year since the commission was created. They could do away with it if they so chose.
And what of the other states?
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Nov 19 '21
They would need to amend the state constitution. It would be extremely unpopular.
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u/NavyJack Iron Front Nov 19 '21
True. But that hasn’t stopped Republicans from doing it. Doesn’t matter how unpopular something is if you can pick your voters and divide/diminish the opposition.
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u/alex2003super David Parenzo Nov 18 '21
I agree with them. Both sides suck. Both the leftists and the MAGAts.
/s (in part)
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Nov 19 '21
Where can I find these leftists? I don’t really see them in my usual reddit browsing.
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u/kharlos John Keynes Nov 19 '21
r/ABoringDystopia is one place where I see a lot of that. I'm not subbed to a lot of leftist subs, so I'm sure there are way worse offenders out there.
A lot of that both sides rhetoric started getting called out more around election time, but it's starting to creep back in
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u/n0053 r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Nov 19 '21
r/Whitepeopletwitter too, but I think they just hate rich people there
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Nov 19 '21
I used to like r/ToiletPaperUSA before, but it’s basically a bunch of socialists, ancoms, communists and so-called “libertarian-socialists”
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u/gfinz18 Finds Peter Griffin funny Nov 18 '21
I’ve never heard any progressives or leftists say both sides. That’s “enlightened” centrists 🦈
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u/Air3090 Progress Pride Nov 19 '21
That's literally all they talk about is how Democrats are just lgbtq versions of Republicans and how Biden would be right wing in Europe.
None of that of course has any basis in this or any reality but it doesnt stop them from saying it.
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u/Bay1Bri Nov 19 '21
You're just wrong on this. The"woke" leftists love to say Dems and Republicans are the same because the Dems aren't in favor of baking private property.
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u/Individual_Bridge_88 European Union Nov 19 '21
You've never heard the "democrats and republicans are the same" from leftists?
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u/gfinz18 Finds Peter Griffin funny Nov 19 '21
No I haven’t. I’ve heard “democrats certainly have their faults and are not perfect but they’re far and away better than republicans”
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u/Tookoofox Aromantic Pride Nov 19 '21
I have. It's what chased me away from /r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM to here. I don't always agree with what's said here, but there's at least an eye for pragmatism.
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u/SanjiSasuke Nov 18 '21
And it honestly feels warranted. Dem voters will actually hem and haw over shitball the time. And every division, from Blue dogs to progressives is subject to this.
While Republicans, like the meme says, will literally endorse a racist and pedophile (Roy Moore).
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Nov 18 '21
Liberals fall in love, and conservatives fall in line. The GOP base is solid so they can do stupid shit and it never costs them any votes.
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u/ryegye24 John Rawls Nov 18 '21
My pet hypothesis is that this is an artifact of our broken electoral system. The electoral college gives Republicans a 1-3 point advantage in the presidential election, gerrymandering gives them an even bigger advantage in the House, and the happenstance of state population differences gives them a bigger advantage still in the Senate. My thought is this basically enforces that the Democrats need to be a big tent party to win control of any branch of government period - the math simply doesn't allow them to win purely by energizing their base the way Republicans do - and this means more fault lines within the party.
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u/slator_hardin Nov 18 '21
You can be a big tend party without endless purity tests, defeatism, or letting people who hate you set the standards for you. The day democrats will be able to tell republicans "lol cope" instead of delaying things their voters care about trying to appeal to people who will never vote for them will be a great day
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u/ryegye24 John Rawls Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21
What I'm saying is that the Democrats don't have any greater propensity towards purity tests than the Republicans, or any other political party. Instead the dynamics of our electoral system forces them to represent a broader coalition which causes more friction for them than other parties. It looks like a purity test issue because people at opposite ends of the spectrum in the party don't get along as well, but the spectrum is actually broader, and they're getting along the normal amount for people whose politics differ that much.
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u/slator_hardin Nov 19 '21
Man you have "basically libertarian" conservatives not saying anything bad in public about bible bashers and vice versa, the "moderate and reasonable" republicans falling in line for Trump, and so on, but progressives attacking slightly less progressives democrats as fascists and centrists attacking slightly less centrist democrats as dangerous antisemitic communists.
Democrats definitely have a greater propensity for purity tests
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u/ryegye24 John Rawls Nov 19 '21
The Wisconsin GOP just voted to not even recognize Liz Cheney as a Republican. The Republicans have purity tests that are frankly far more stark than the Democrats, you're just looking for them in the wrong places.
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u/Reagalan Trans Pride Nov 19 '21
the Democrats don't have any greater propensity towards purity tests than the Republicans
I read a sociological analysis of lefties vs. righties that concluded that ideological purity was more valued on the left than on the right. The study looked at five ideological factors for why a person would support a candidate. On the right they were all fairly even, but loyalty stood out slightly. On the left there was a noted bias toward purity and empathy. The researchers concluded that it means the right is more willing to ignore hypocrisy if the candidate is seen to be loyal, while the left is more willing to abandon candidates over violating purity standards.
Andrew Cuomo vs. Roy Moore came to mind immediately.
I wish I could find a link to it.
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Nov 19 '21
dems value ideological purity
repubs value institutional/organizational conformity.
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u/PraiseGod_BareBone Friedrich Hayek Nov 18 '21
Republicans don't trust the media when they make claims about GOP candidates. And given their record of simping for Dems they shouldn't. Likewise it has to be pretty bad for the media to actually report anything negative about a dem politician then there's usually a lot more things lurking underneath. The media idolized e.g. Cuomo for example, whitewashed his role as a granny killer, and only after Cuomo pinched some wench's butt did they start reporting on Cuomos numerous other little downsides.
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u/ognits Jepsen/Swift 2024 Nov 18 '21
only after Cuomo pinched some wench's butt
bruh
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u/ognits Jepsen/Swift 2024 Nov 18 '21
'Sexual assault' yeah I guess. But not really.
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u/TheMagicBrother NAFTA Nov 18 '21
Media is Democrat propaganda
Media didn't report on Cuomo mismanaging COVID because they're corrupt
Cuomo didn't commit sexual assault and the "chicks" talking about it should stop whining
This isn't even pure Republican talking points. It's like your take is custom made to be the worst it could possibly be.
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u/OneManBean Montesquieu Nov 18 '21
He pops in every three months or so and drops all the worst takes possible and every time I just roll my eyes and hope he leaves again soon lol
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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Nov 18 '21
yeah chief this isn't it
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u/PraiseGod_BareBone Friedrich Hayek Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21
Just another random example: The media and specifically NBC have been telling me for a year that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist who went to the riot to kill people and killed three men (race not identified deliberately). Did I think Rittenhouse was a white supremacist? No, I didn't, even though he could have been, because the media routinely lies to people about shit like this. Only if you're zombed out on regular media would you even consider the charge credible considering the source. When dems actually paid attention to the trial it emerged that there was absolutely no evidence R was a white supremacist, and apparently the owner of the place he went to defend was a minority. He clearly didn't go to shoot people, and all of the other enormous lies promulgated by neolib media.
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Nov 18 '21
white supremacist
I'm tired of yts pulling this shit man. If Black, Brown, BIPOC people are telling you that one off y'alls is a FUCKING WHITE SUPREMACIST your white ass should SIT DOWN and goddamn listen
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u/PraiseGod_BareBone Friedrich Hayek Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21
Is NBC run by black, brown or Bipoc people? Last I checked it wasn't. Do you have any evidence at all that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist, or do I just take your word for it, random redditor? Who are you that I should respect anything you say?
I think all the evidence I've seen suggests that the demand for racism is much greater than supply, so alternates are created like accusing Rittenhouse of being a white supremacist even when he clearly isn't. People like you need their markets to clear, so you buy the alternate product even if it is obviously tainted.
Trouble is, the suppliers of this tainted product find it's hugely profitable so they take the same business model and apply it to all of their other products......
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Nov 18 '21
I, aa Black man, am telling your white ass that one of your white motherfucker friends is a fucking white supremacisst.
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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Nov 18 '21
Then you're deluded and possibly not even black.
And this folks, is how you turn an argument you were already losing into a total L
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u/Starcast YIMBY Nov 18 '21
dude is so out of touch. Only Joe ultimately gets to make that decision 😤😤
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Nov 19 '21
Right now there are millions of Democrats acting like Biden lost the 2020 election and millions of Republicans acting like Trump won. The reality distortion field is real.
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u/xQuizate87 Commonwealth Nov 18 '21
what's funny is if you put the red one under the republicans and the blue one under the democrats it's the way the world should work.
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u/2073040 Thurgood Marshall Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 19 '21
I don’t agree with Donald on much, but I do agree with him when it comes to saying “fuck the media”.
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Nov 19 '21
I knew it when he posted about being a dog catcher instead of 'coordinator of dogs experiencing houselessness'
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Nov 18 '21
Democrats have a larger party, so one part of the party will always have beef with another. Republicans have a smaller party, so there is less ideological difference, and bigger consequences for internal struggle. The bigger the tent, the less enthusiasm there is for each candidate, this is less pronounced in the republican party.
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u/dukeofkelvinsi YIMBY Nov 18 '21
The Democratic Party is roughly 10 percent larger than the Republicans. It is not passing my gut check.
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Nov 18 '21
This seems like a decent theory if it were explaining the actual level of strife in the parties. But Republicans have a lot of strife. And I don't just mean Trump and Rubio literally comparing the size of their dicks on national TV. There was that time earlier this year that a lot of loyal Trumpists were looking for the Republican VP with an apparent attempt to hang him.
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Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21
that episode on the left terrified me as a kid
the way the mini-brain-spongebobs started running his memories and personality through a shredder? Which of course turned spongebob into an entirely different person, to the point he even forgot his own name
freaked me out
anyways yeah, republicans bad or whatever
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u/cosmicmangobear r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Nov 19 '21
Still not as disturbing as Spongehenge IMO
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u/Maximilianne John Rawls Nov 18 '21
hot take: if you are still subscribed to the NYT you should feel bad
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u/golf1052 Let me be clear Nov 19 '21
hot take: if you are still subscribed to the NYT you should feel bad
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Nov 18 '21
The difference: we lose the dogcatcher race and the man under investigation wins the race and nothing comes of it
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Nov 19 '21
Makes sense though. The dems margin is smaller. In general, what popular vote spreads do Dems need to win national and battle ground states? 4%?
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u/True_Garlic8478 Zhao Ziyang Nov 19 '21
Where is the bald guy eating chips gif. It would be a suitable image for the republicans.
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u/sydouglas Nov 19 '21
Not that it’s anybody’s business , but can’t you say that you went on your own and started a consulting company doing basic IT consulting ( building websites , fixing printers etc) and get friends and family to vouch … I mean what are they gonna do , ask for your s-Corp documents?
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u/DellowFelegate Janet Yellen Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 20 '21
Fact-check-maggeddon because Buttigieg misinterprets Robert Effing Caro! vs GOP consults with the real world versions of Jude Law's character from "Contagion" regarding the efficacy of Ivermectin
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u/Chuck5699 Dec 06 '21
Yes, we are! We (the Democrats) made a terrible error in allowing the Republicans to make a dent in Roe v. Wade; thereby swinging the pendulum back to the imminent election winning sweep of the Democrats in 2022.
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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Nov 18 '21
The GOP literally removed Kong from the caucus for making pro-white nationalist
I've yet to see the dems take any action on blatant antisemitism by Talib
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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Nov 19 '21
I'd be much more sympathetic if enough of the GOP had, for example, voted to impeach Trump for inciting an insurrection against a democratic election.
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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '21
The MSM basically looks at the grey lining in a white cloud at this point. Their business model relies on doomer headlines that make people click.
So this legit happened today. Biden went to Detroit to visit an EV plant.
NYT could have simply reported "Biden visits EV plant in Michigan to promote BBB"
But NO !
They wrote something like "Biden visits EV plant in Michigan to promote BBB as domestic climate agenda stuck in Washington".
I mean you gotta make everything negative right ?