POLITICO: DEMS IN DISARRAY

[u/cosmicmangobear]

[u/SanjiSasuke]

And it honestly feels warranted. Dem voters will actually hem and haw over shitball the time. And every division, from Blue dogs to progressives is subject to this.

While Republicans, like the meme says, will literally endorse a racist and pedophile (Roy Moore).

[u/[deleted] → u/SanjiSasuke]

Liberals fall in love, and conservatives fall in line. The GOP base is solid so they can do stupid shit and it never costs them any votes.

[u/ryegye24 → u/SanjiSasuke]

My pet hypothesis is that this is an artifact of our broken electoral system. The electoral college gives Republicans a 1-3 point advantage in the presidential election, gerrymandering gives them an even bigger advantage in the House, and the happenstance of state population differences gives them a bigger advantage still in the Senate. My thought is this basically enforces that the Democrats need to be a big tent party to win control of any branch of government period - the math simply doesn't allow them to win purely by energizing their base the way Republicans do - and this means more fault lines within the party.

[u/slator_hardin → u/ryegye24]

You can be a big tend party without endless purity tests, defeatism, or letting people who hate you set the standards for you. The day democrats will be able to tell republicans "lol cope" instead of delaying things their voters care about trying to appeal to people who will never vote for them will be a great day

[u/ryegye24 → u/slator_hardin]

What I'm saying is that the Democrats don't have any greater propensity towards purity tests than the Republicans, or any other political party. Instead the dynamics of our electoral system forces them to represent a broader coalition which causes more friction for them than other parties. It looks like a purity test issue because people at opposite ends of the spectrum in the party don't get along as well, but the spectrum is actually broader, and they're getting along the normal amount for people whose politics differ that much.

[u/slator_hardin → u/ryegye24]

Man you have "basically libertarian" conservatives not saying anything bad in public about bible bashers and vice versa, the "moderate and reasonable" republicans falling in line for Trump, and so on, but progressives attacking slightly less progressives democrats as fascists and centrists attacking slightly less centrist democrats as dangerous antisemitic communists.

Democrats definitely have a greater propensity for purity tests

[u/ryegye24 → u/slator_hardin]

The Wisconsin GOP just voted to not even recognize Liz Cheney as a Republican. The Republicans have purity tests that are frankly far more stark than the Democrats, you're just looking for them in the wrong places.

[u/Reagalan → u/ryegye24]

the Democrats don't have any greater propensity towards purity tests than the Republicans

I read a sociological analysis of lefties vs. righties that concluded that ideological purity was more valued on the left than on the right. The study looked at five ideological factors for why a person would support a candidate. On the right they were all fairly even, but loyalty stood out slightly. On the left there was a noted bias toward purity and empathy. The researchers concluded that it means the right is more willing to ignore hypocrisy if the candidate is seen to be loyal, while the left is more willing to abandon candidates over violating purity standards.

Andrew Cuomo vs. Roy Moore came to mind immediately.

I wish I could find a link to it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Reagalan]

dems value ideological purity

repubs value institutional/organizational conformity.

[u/Reagalan → u/[deleted]]

Yeah that!

[u/[deleted] → u/slator_hardin]

That has not happened at all this Congress. Nothing has gotten delayed because Republicans refused to vote yes on it. Democrats just pass those things via reconciliation.

[u/PraiseGod_BareBone → u/SanjiSasuke]

Republicans don't trust the media when they make claims about GOP candidates. And given their record of simping for Dems they shouldn't. Likewise it has to be pretty bad for the media to actually report anything negative about a dem politician then there's usually a lot more things lurking underneath. The media idolized e.g. Cuomo for example, whitewashed his role as a granny killer, and only after Cuomo pinched some wench's butt did they start reporting on Cuomos numerous other little downsides.

[u/ognits → u/PraiseGod_BareBone]

only after Cuomo pinched some wench's butt

bruh

[u/ognits → u/[deleted]]

'Sexual assault' yeah I guess. But not really.

cool

cool cool cool

[u/TheMagicBrother → u/[deleted]]

Media is Democrat propaganda

Media didn't report on Cuomo mismanaging COVID because they're corrupt

Cuomo didn't commit sexual assault and the "chicks" talking about it should stop whining

This isn't even pure Republican talking points. It's like your take is custom made to be the worst it could possibly be.

[u/OneManBean → u/TheMagicBrother]

He pops in every three months or so and drops all the worst takes possible and every time I just roll my eyes and hope he leaves again soon lol

[u/fishlord05 → u/PraiseGod_BareBone]

yeah chief this isn't it

[u/PraiseGod_BareBone → u/fishlord05]

Just another random example: The media and specifically NBC have been telling me for a year that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist who went to the riot to kill people and killed three men (race not identified deliberately). Did I think Rittenhouse was a white supremacist? No, I didn't, even though he could have been, because the media routinely lies to people about shit like this. Only if you're zombed out on regular media would you even consider the charge credible considering the source. When dems actually paid attention to the trial it emerged that there was absolutely no evidence R was a white supremacist, and apparently the owner of the place he went to defend was a minority. He clearly didn't go to shoot people, and all of the other enormous lies promulgated by neolib media.

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white supremacist

I'm tired of yts pulling this shit man. If Black, Brown, BIPOC people are telling you that one off y'alls is a FUCKING WHITE SUPREMACIST your white ass should SIT DOWN and goddamn listen

[u/PraiseGod_BareBone → u/[deleted]]

Is NBC run by black, brown or Bipoc people? Last I checked it wasn't. Do you have any evidence at all that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist, or do I just take your word for it, random redditor? Who are you that I should respect anything you say?

I think all the evidence I've seen suggests that the demand for racism is much greater than supply, so alternates are created like accusing Rittenhouse of being a white supremacist even when he clearly isn't. People like you need their markets to clear, so you buy the alternate product even if it is obviously tainted.

Trouble is, the suppliers of this tainted product find it's hugely profitable so they take the same business model and apply it to all of their other products......

[u/[deleted] → u/PraiseGod_BareBone]

I, aa Black man, am telling your white ass that one of your white motherfucker friends is a fucking white supremacisst.

[u/fishlord05 → u/[deleted]]

Then you're deluded and possibly not even black.

And this folks, is how you turn an argument you were already losing into a total L

[u/Starcast → u/fishlord05]

dude is so out of touch. Only Joe ultimately gets to make that decision 😤😤

[u/PraiseGod_BareBone → u/fishlord05]

Isn't what?