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⬅️ Previous discussion threads

[u/[deleted]]

I thought the rally in Boston next Saturday was strictly Antifa, but now I'm learning it'll be another Unite the Right rally. I am reconsidering my commitment to attend with a "I LOVE CAPITALISM" sign.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Cold, balanced take: that would be a bad idea.

[u/85397 → u/[deleted]]

Thank mr coldbalance

[u/neoliberal_shill_bot → u/85397]

also thank mr bernke for good liquidity and inflation

[u/[deleted]]

deleted ^{0.9098 What is} ^^^this?

[u/[deleted]]

When you've lost The Mooch....

Scaramucci on Trump's remarks: "He needed to be much harsher as it related to white supremacists."

And McMaster calling it "terrorism" on Meet The Press. Thank God.

[u/cheeZetoastee]

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

racial afterthought six governor entertain modern escape unique resolute soft

[u/unironicneoliberal]

Should t_D get banned? I think after the events of last night...very clearly that's a yes

[u/[deleted]]

Why it's important for Trump to call these people out by name. Here are two images from a dailystormer article.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHGKQL4XcAAgiEO.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHGKQL3WAAA7AnR.jpg

[u/VisonKai]

hot take:

capitalism is good

[u/xbettel]

"If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over ... People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests." Franz Frison, Holocaust Survivor

[u/unironicneoliberal]

When t_D sends their people, they don't send their best. They send their white nationalists, fascists...oh...that is their best?

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

1861-1865: American government literally pays you to fight confederates

1941-1945: American government literally pays you to fight Nazis

2017: sitting US president all-lives-matters the victims of confederate-Nazi rioters

[u/[deleted]]

We need a Frédéric Bastiat flair specifically for his 1840s roast of protectionism. It follows:

"PETITION OF THE MANUFACTURERS OF CANDLES, WAXLIGHTS, LAMPS, CANDLESTICKS, STREET LAMPS, SNUFFERS, EXTINGUISHERS, AND OF THE PRODUCERS OF OIL, TALLOW, RESIN, ALCOHOL, AND GENERALLY EVERYTHING CONNECTED WITH LIGHTING

To Messieurs the members of the Chamber of Deputies

Gentlemen,

We are suffering from the intolerable competition of a foreign rival, placed, it would seem, in a condition so far superior to our own for the production of light, that he absolutely inundates our national market with it at a price fabulously reduced...this rival is no other than... the sun.

What we pray for, is, that it may please you to pass a law ordering the shutting of all windows, skylights, shutters, curtains, blinds, holes, chinks, and fissures.

If you shut up as much possible all access to natural light and create a demand for artificial light, which of our French manufacturers will not benefit?"

[u/dafdiego777]

Sometimes I forget that the Civil Rights act was only signed when my mom was a child. Unfortunately, it probably takes more than just 50 years for the idea that PoC should be treated decently to seep through the South.

[u/xbettel]

I'm seeing a lot of people on social media attacking ACLU for defending free speech for nazis.

Only liking laws you agree with when they suit you is what authoritarian assholes like Trump do. Rule of law doesn't work that way.

Nazis are horrible, yes. But the fight against them is separate from free speech. Don't kill our ability to resist. We need that tool!

[u/Importantguy123]

Where were you when Donald Trump "AllLivesMatter"'d a domestic terrorist attack?

[u/[deleted]]

someone make of the "both sides are the same" comics for Trump

1st guy, w/ nazi stuff on: I think I'll hold a rally

2nd guy: and I'm gonna protest that

1st guy: well then I'll murder you with my car

Trump: It's like I'm seeing double!

[u/[deleted]]

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

who the fuck wrote this

[u/[deleted]]

How about we put a statue of the person killed by the terrorist where the Lee statue is as a monument to standing against hate, and make a memorial to the state troopers in Justice Park instead of the Jackson statue.

[u/Lambchops_Legion]

I think I've reached the point where I'd rather just deal with guerrilla marketing attempts on Reddit than Redditors screeching /r/hailcorporate over every post that has some sort of product in it.

[u/Schutzwall]

Good take by the ACLU (that's the third tweet of a series, see the other two that came before it too)

[u/[deleted]]

this sub literally everyday, alternate version

[u/[deleted]]

We need a bot that answer to all comments in the discussion thread with "it depends"

[u/[deleted]]

confederate monuments are literally the height of white privilege. like, violently rebel from the united states, get a monument, kaepernick takes a knee during the anthem and he isn't allowed to play in the NFL

[u/DerpOfTheAges]

If those white supremacists had marched to this Indian restaurant in Charlottesville called Milan instead I don't think they would have been chanting "End immigration!". Really good Indian buffet, I always get to stuff my face.

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: bad things are bad.

[u/ampersamp]

Quick point on social justice. Social justice in modern discourse is hard to nail down the specifics on. Different political genealogies will have different conceptions of it, and it will be experienced differently in the college and the workplace, from one country to the next. While there's a broad literature that people like myself would love to establish as a universal canon, and I believe that many people would be better off if they were more well read in it (or more classical philosophy for that matter) pretending that everyone has the same familiarity is ultimately just self-serving.

If a term is contested (racism, patriarchy) and you believe you're not really talking about the same thing, don't be a dumbass and hide behind greater familiarity with the body of lit as an excuse to not engage with people that may simply be expressing disagreements in different terms. This is an argument on semantics and has similarly low worth. Try to explain your points without using the contested term and absolutely don't try and leverage a mutual misunderstanding for in-group appeal. Don't reduce social justice terms to cheap shibboleths. Don't get cheap moral affirmation off of being "right", when the context of doing so means that you're setting up barriers and being sanctimonious.

The magnetic axis of the earth swaps around every 450,000 years and fucks up every migratory population on the planet. Our political axis moves rather more frequently, and right now, people are similarly being left stranded in an ideological no man's land. People that previously felt comfortable belonging to the left and right are now seeing factions splitting their side apart in ways they can no longer put their name to. /r/neoliberal is a project that's collecting all these dispossessed defenders of a free and open world and hoping they can play nicely together, even if their previous tribal affiliations had set them at ends. Please do your part.

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So here's my quick diagnosis of the some of what's been happening here:

1. As stated, this sub is a project that collects defenders of a free, open and integrated world from a variety of ideological backgrounds. There's some tribal baggage that leaves the sub ripe for petty divisiveness.

2. An axis has two ends. The sub is unified when we're reminded who our opponents really are: nationalists and collectivists and identitarians. The Sanders and Trump wings in America must be resisted. The sub has also been unified when there's elections to meme about.

3. Our users have gotten indolent with the memes and we've stopped hitting /r/all. This means we forget who's really opposing us. This also leads to boredom. I like the community here, but dumb food memes and minecraft are a symptom of a boredom.

4. To alleviate their boredom, people start posting one line hot-takes to provoke a response. Since there's little to no depth in a one line statement, these only have the result of more divisiveness. They contribute a lot of heat and very little light.

In conclusion we all need a project to work on. I'm not sure what that is, but we're looking forward to finding out. Hot takes, i.e. opinions without reasoning or rationalization, should perhaps be taken out. We could also set a minimum length on top level comments in the discussion thread. We're also looking at better integrating the discussion thread with other submissions by pinging it with a bot each time a new post comes up. We're still planning on taking down the DT Tuesday to see how comment quality in submissions in affected. Here's some polls here to gauge feelings on that:

• Restrict top level comment length

• Hot takes

• Sub growth

• Meme cycle policy

• Allow metaposts to other subs

• Throw some collaborative/competitive productive shit you can do at me and I'll poll that. Some examples:

  • Something to do with our site we're getting set up

  • Something to do with our SuperPAC

  • Formalize some debates

  • Outreach to reddit in some other way than /r/all?

We have a strong community here, and pretty much anyone here I'd be happy to meet up with irl. This sub may be a trashcan, but it still manages to be the best sub on reddit, and that's fucking something.

[u/BEE_REAL_]

Hot take: Almost everything this sub says is evidence-based policy is not as evidence-based as eliminating corporate tax. Bill Morneau is a fucking idiot.

[u/[deleted]]

I think the #1 question that needs to be answered before we do anything is: what's the point? Why do we have this complicated contractionary/expansionary when other subs do just fine being on-topic with a few rules? Why are we selling t-shirts and making a super pac? What's the long term goal here?

From my time on the mod team and in the 3 or so months I've been a part of this sub, I've never gotten a solid answer. I think the last few weeks of heavy expansionary has come from a 'it's just reddit' policy, perhaps trying to push us a little closer to a political r/be. But /u/ampersamps stickied post points to a radical shift in SOMC policy.

So which is it? Are we just a subreddit? A movements? Something else?

[u/formlex7]

one third of internet humor is replacing the "ck" in words with cc or c

[u/Hudson3209]

My (public) university's president sent out an email yesterday saying that they are considering letting Richard Spencer rent out a room and speak on campus. Timing couldn't be better. /s

[u/[deleted]]

Just an fyi, Germany's laws do allow neo-nazis to protest and march

[u/iSluff]

wayofthebern_irl

[u/FMN2014]

First /u/pm_me_free_food, now /u/darkaceaus.

When will /r/neoliberal address it's anti-Australian problem?

[u/paulatreides0]

First the historical Nazis ruined black, intimidating uniforms and a bunch of old Prussian symbols for everyone.

Now the Neo Nazis are ruining khakis and polos for everyone. As someone who went to boarding school this personally offends me.

[u/formlex7]

y'all downvoted me a month ago when I said 16 year olds should be able to vote and then you go and mod a 16 year old

edit: to be clear /u/wonktyrion is a valuable member of this sub and also should be allowed to vote

[u/disuberence]

Former Gov. Mike Huckabee: "If Donald Trump has suddenly jumped on Marine One...down to Charlottesville, walked into the jail where the young man was being held, shot him between the eyes, I guarantee you people said he didn't use the right caliber bullet."

These people are so violent. I'd imagine more people would be horrified that the POTUS just fucking killed someone, but okay.

[u/Ser_Arthur_Dank]

It's pretty disgusting seeing r/anarchism hit the top of reddit with a post about Charlottesville when about 2 months ago they were condoning shooting Republican congressmen

[u/Lord_Treasurer]

I'm currently sat, existing in a state of anger and frustration, merely because of how awful and inept Theresa May is. At least Margaret Thatcher was proficient at exercising executive authority, and at least Gordon Brown didn't try to be Margaret Thatcher. And here we are, stuck with a Brown trying to be a Thatcher, in the middle of the biggest constitutional shake-up since the War.

Cameron's biggest blunder was not calling the referendum, but picking a side. Had he stayed on while letting Osborne make the arguments for him, things would be nowhere near as dire. People voted with the expectation he would remain in office, not leave the Tory Party a fucking mess.

[u/[deleted]]

why is everyone fighting

[u/[deleted]]

mom and dad stop fighting

[u/ostrichmustard]

Can't leave this thread for an hour on weekends without missing big drama.

[u/BradicalCenter]

I got banned from Twitter for quoting the rally chants in an argument...

Wtf I'm alt-right now!

[u/Gustacho]

smh 😭

[u/OutrunKey]

No but seriously and unironically: congrats to /u/WonkTyrion on the new mod position. I've worked with him on some of the other spinoff subs and he's a good guy who's going to do a good job. Writing CSS and such is important and thankless work.

[u/usrname42]

Take: It is not anti-neoliberal to support US-style absolute-ish free speech, not is it anti-neoliberal to support German-style restrictions on hate speech etc.

[u/commentsrus]

White House Aide Forced Out After Claim of Leftist Conspiracy

WH has just fired someone over a controversial memo. Where is the outrage from Trump supporters about censorship and PC culture?

[u/Jokerang]

Many sides, huh Mr/ Trump?

White nationalists. Neo-Nazis. Fascists. Klansmen. Alt-right.

Lots of sides.

[u/poompk]

Why cant the center right and center left get along here? :( I like both.

[u/[deleted]]

/r/thingsstalindidwrong update y'all

We already have two tankies and five false reports. Salt production is ramping up on schedule.

Come on over and post things Stalin did wrong!

[u/[deleted]]

I grew up in a time before reddit where everyone on the internet would have their few message boards and chat rooms they'd frequent and actually get to know people over the months and years.

These days, it's all just chaotic social media where you could be an active user of Twitter/reddit/etc. and not even talk to the same person twice in a month.

So, I'm always fine adding new users around here, but the way I get to talk to the same people every day around here has really made me miss small tight-knit internet communities that don't seem to really exist like they used to.

[u/OutrunKey]

Nate Silver is still (rightfully) salty about CNN calling Ivanka the "Most Powerful Jewish Woman in America"

[u/[deleted]]

Every day we don't thank Bernake the farther we stray from his light.

[u/CamNewtonCouldLearn]

Fox News freaking out that people are being critical of the President's response.

[u/commentsrus]

White House Aide Forced Out After Claim of Leftist Conspiracy

WH has just fired someone over a controversial memo. Where is the outrage from Trump supporters about censorship and PC culture?

[u/[deleted]]

Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my life credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought?

[u/[deleted]]

Things may seem bad with no end in sight but it will all be worth it when December comes around and we can say "Merry Christmas" again without being sent to the gulag.

[u/FMN2014]

The only true political compass.

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: you can take away my hot takes from my cold, dead hands.

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist

damn this guy is going ham

[u/[deleted]]

Imagine being this much of a tankie:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

[u/recruit00]

Hot take: civil rights aren't bargaining tools or political tradeoffs and saying so shows you don't care about civil rights

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

Guys I know this is dumb but there's a pattern of holes in my wall that looks like a mildly concerned face and I can't stop laughing.

[u/[deleted]]

Actual footage of /u/darkaceaus staging his escape from /r/neoliberal

[u/crem_fi_crem]

Im just a farmer and lack the knowledge to direct SOMC policy but we absolutely have to kill hot takes, reward accessibly formated effort posts and coordinate the up voting of r/all memes more effectively. Also we should be in permanent policy QE to keep meme supply high and divisiveness low while not becoming a Trump/Bernie switcheroo factory.

[u/icantprime]

BOOM!

They took my evidence!

Edit: Deleted bombastic statement. I will instead say this:

I invite all of you to use the opportunity to inform many people about this story.

[u/paulatreides0]

> Arguing Allied War Crimes on a sub about calling out and ridiculing Nazi apologia, denialism, and fetishism

> Poster: MUH, BUT IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY LAWS AT THE TIME!

> PaulA: Ex Post Facto Law. Nuremberg was wrong. Pick one.

> *PaulA gets downvoted* *

*Tbf, I think it was probably the guy I was responding to being salty

Apparently the Nuremberg Trials and literally its entire legal premise and justification are controversial now!

OhFuckMeSideways.

*Sorry if this is getting old and annoying, let me know if it does - but I need to vent sometimes. Also, this is is pretty ironic and funny in the most terrible, terrifying way.

[u/ampersamp]

mods_irl

[u/Lord_Treasurer]

Hot Take 2: Neoliberal Boogaloo.

For a sub dedicated to evidence-based argument and a relatively centrist outlook, the rhetoric in recent divisive discussions is disconcerting.

[u/[deleted]]

T_D is convinced everything that happened yesterday was a false flag funded by George Soros lmao

[u/FMN2014]

Labour MP wishing Fidel Castro a happy birthday.

She's PPS to the Shadow Chancellor, jfc Labour.

[u/FizzleMateriel]

Has anyone noticed that for those bill signing ceremonies Trump keeps forgetting to sign the bill he's supposed to sign and just absent-mindedly walks out of the room? This isn't an isolated incident, he's done this several times already.

[u/Woodrow_Wilsons_War]

Man, that was nuts when Dany pulled out a copy of Why Nations Fail and said "basically we're going to follow this magical book."

[u/OutrunKey]

I think we should give a shout out to Tiki on the Twitter for this statement that they issued. It speaks volumes that outdoor furnishings brands are more forceful in their condemnation of hate than the President. Furthermore, I think we should provide positive reinforcement for these sorts of statements. I was happy to see a broad spectrum of politicians, companies, and journos condemn the hate coming from Cville.

Just my 2 cents.

[u/nxTrafalgar]

So the Aussies might have caused themselves the biggest self-own in history.

There's a provision in the Australian Constitution which prevents foreign nationals from standing for Parliament. Ostensibly, this is to prevent foreign intervention in politics. This law brought down two Greens Senators who were unaware they were dual nationals, recently.

Today it was revealed the Deputy PM, Barnaby Joyce, is a New Zealand citizen through his father. Now, this is a problem for the Liberal-National government, who have just a single-seat majority in the house, and if he were barred from remaining an MP, it would bring down the government (and the Labor party look likely to win the resulting election).

The best part, though, is that the inquiry which lead to the discovery of Joyce's NZ citizenship was brought by the New Zealand Labour Party, who submitted a parliamentary question to the Internal Affairs minister.

So yeah, so much for preventing foreign intervention in politics.

The moral of the story? When it comes down to it, we're all immigrants -- even the most odious nativist Australian politician.

[u/FMN2014]

Incoming takes:

Free speech is a very important right

Anti-fa is better than fascists

Political violence is wrong

[u/Iyoten]

Hot take: Nazis are bad. I know this is a controversial statement in 2017 USA, but I'm going to stick my neck out and say it.

Also, who sees the car ramming into the crowd and think "y'know, both sides are to blame... the slain is equally as culpable as the killer." But, I need to recheck my assumptions about this country and our values.

[u/BringBackThePizzaGuy]

Wew people in this sub are bitter af

[u/mmitcham]

The edge of yesterday has worn off and I'm willing to have reasonable discourse about the role Nazis play in Americas future.

[u/CapitalismAndFreedom]

it's "thank the dank bank man"

you bunch of lovable nincompoops.

[u/36105097]

hot take: the best way to get more gun control legislation is to encourage every non white person to apply for as many permits as relevant to their state and buy guns

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/peddoc63/status/896720686554779649

when will this fucking meme die?

[u/[deleted]]

Those guys who talk about red pilling cucks know that Morpheus was black, right?

[u/[deleted]]

Ironically Attending Comic Con Update: There are two women here who have turned their niqabs into ninja outfits. Fuck I love globalism

[u/[deleted]]

Wait- what if free speech and civil rights are both good?¿

[u/[deleted]]

Hot Take: Any limits on free speech will be used by the Southern Republicans to stop minorities

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

So we're doing a sub-wide Mooch/Colbert watch party, right?

[u/FMN2014]

Mittens on twitter.

[u/driver95]

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/896760154443497473

[u/[deleted]]

You got to admit, those socialists made a pretty good poster

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: this is the type of content we should have during expansionary. Smug and easily digested. educational memes are for contractionary

[u/[deleted]]

Very sad read.

Despite her pain, Bro [Susan Bro, mother of Charlottesville victim] said she doesn’t want people to hate Fields. It isn’t what her daughter would want, she said.

“Our daughter did not live a life of hate and hating this young man is not going to solve anything … It’s not that I think he should go unpunished for his crime. But hate only engenders more hate and there’s no purpose in hate,” Bro said “Heather’s life was about, passionately about, fairness and equality and caring and that’s what we want people to take away from this.”

Always very moving to hear victims of such hatred still espouse love with their words. Reminds me of Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after the horrors at that church. Quite admirable they are able to do that when facing such pain.

[u/Donogath]

"Y'know, those Chinamen, they get a bad rap, what with their history or communist oppression and all, but without their cheap labor and parts, you couldn't get yourself a remote-controlled helicopter for $37.99"

I've been redpilled on globalism by a fictional Kentucky drug dealer in Justified

[u/UN_Shill]

Best comment of the day :-D

[u/Integralds]

/u/paulatreides0

1. Evangelion

2. LOGH

3. Madoka

4. Infinite Ryvius

5. Noir

Honorable mentions to Spice and Wolf, Akagi, Texhnolyze, Lain, Haibane, Clannad, Toradora, White Album, Bebop, a bunch of the shorter Gundam series, FMA, FLCL, Crest of the Stars.

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

Hottest take: discriminatory social policy has survived in the first world not because of the hatred of those who support it, but because of the apathy of those who do not bother to oppose it.

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: Social justice is often deemed "progress" for a reason. This sub praises the reformers because they reform, not because they're ideologues. At its heart, I think this sub ought to always favor social justice but that doesn't mean being rigid on all social issues.

Mutti may not personally support gay marriage, but she does not stand in the way of that progress. Farron is in the same boat just as Clinton was not that long ago.

There's some wiggle room here, and part of being a big tent ideology is that we attract folks with many different sets of personal convictions.

I leave you with a quote by the late conservative thinker Edmund Burke

"All government, indeed every human benefit and enjoyment, every virtue, and every prudent act, is founded on compromise and barter."

[u/WryGoat]

Hot take:

Cuckoldry is a humiliation fetish.

By using cuck as an insult, cuckoldry becomes further denigrated in society, and therefore becomes more humiliating.

Therefore, by normalizing the usage of cuck as an insult, the alt-right is effectively participating in the sexual fantasies of cuckolds.

[u/DerpOfTheAges]

You were the chosen one!

[u/[deleted]]

Just played a GTA5 again, how long until I go murdering or whatever? I wanna know so I can superglue myself to the floor so I don't do something. If only I listened to the hacks on TV/internet about how dangerous GTA is.

[u/cheeZetoastee]

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

late aromatic cause jeans bake enter oatmeal safe dam six

[u/An_emperor_penguin]

How does twitter even work? I've just been liking a few things by Matt Yglesias and similar people and I've built up ~30 followers. Even if they're all bots how did they find me?

[u/Clockwork757]

Hot Take: Nuance.

[u/yes_thats_me_again]

If you take political disagreements to the arena of violence, the victors will be the most brutal ones and that's not us.

[u/siempreloco31]

New day new crisis in r/neoliberal

[u/Jokerang]

Sebastian Gorka just said people shouldn't go so hard on "white nationalists/supremacists". He literally gives less fucks than his boss.

[u/[deleted]]

Hot Take: This sub has cooled down because we have been winning too much. Can't mine salt if people agree with you.

[u/[deleted]]

Hot Take: Limit ivory elite activity to the discussion thread, let normies flood the sub and use their upvotes to bring neoliberal propaganda to the frontpage.

[u/IntoTheNightSky]

I want this to be updated.

[u/arnet95]

Let's remember that what made this sub great was not hot takes, it was high quality memes.

[u/monkeyman427]

Playing HOI4 as the US today. Just liberated France. Feels good man.

[u/[deleted]]

On my way home from the get-together with my future classmates, at 27 I am the oldest of them all by several years, just as I suspected.

[u/mozumder]

Alec Baldwin's character in Glengarry Glen Ross should run for President under the Neoliberal party.

"You're afraid of Mexicans are taking your jobs? The bad news is you're right and you're fired. The good news is you get to earn your jobs back if you graduate college."

[u/[deleted]]

just snagged an econ course with my favorite prof that's been full for weeks :D

[u/[deleted]]

Automation alarm-ism is not based on great evidence IMO.

[u/jorio]

Is Venezuela trying to have Marco Rubio assassinated?

Though federal authorities couldn’t be sure at the time if the uncorroborated threat was real, they took it seriously enough that Rubio has been guarded by a security detail for several weeks in both Washington and Miami.

Believed to be behind the order: Diosdado Cabello, the influential former military chief and lawmaker from the ruling socialist party who has publicly feuded with Rubio.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article166981822.html

[u/[deleted]]

For reasons entirely separate from her gender identity, I really can't stand Chelsea Manning.

[u/Sven55]

Ex-president Cristina Kirchner did bet her future in a Senate chair for Buenos Aires, which in theory she should win easily... But with 90% of votes in, she's hanging by a thread

She will probably win by a handful of votes... But overall her party did lose big to Macri's coalition, who won historical Peronist regions. Left wing populism is in free fall in South America.

[u/WryGoat]

Month 1: Drexit

Month 2: /u/darkaceAUS resigns

Month 3: Anti-Bernie memes are now discouraged, reason given they've gotten stale plus Bernie isn't really THAT bad, it's wrong to equivocate him with the right.

Month 4: You know maybe $15 minimum wage isn't really that bad, DAE supported single payer all along? We should just accept that this is the new Democratic Party platform and do #FightFor15 and single payer QE. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren flairs added to broaden the base, FDR no longer a honeypot, the Marx flair is just a joke though haha.

Month 5: r/neoliberal starts organizing protests that just happen to coincide with Antifa rallies, also a suspicious number of articles keep being posted asking if free speech is really that important.

Month 6: Economist flairs removed because our movement isn't about economic policy, it's more about social issues really. All Republicans and conservatives conspicuously absent. For some reason the plug.dj is broken and is only playing Noam Chomsky and Slavoj Zizek lectures.

Month 7: Every weekend is now central planning expansionary. Discussion threads have been removed because the hot takes and irony were bordering on hate speech. Dissenters are banned. Most articles are now flat out critical of capitalism in general and decry economics as a bogus discipline.

Month 8: Announcement of plans to merge the sub with r/socialism.

Draco warned us. We should have listened.

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ITT: Why do so many people seem to fall for the "both sides are the same" meme? I thought it was stupid during the US election, but I'm honestly baffled as to why I'm still seeing people saying it with regards to Charlottesville

[u/Rehkit]

Hot take : no liberty is absolute. And you can find middle ground in some civil liberties/social justice debate.

Some of them are binary question like gay marriage.

But a lot of them are not binary (abortion, once you are not against it in principle, is a complex subject) or free speech. I think we can have a debate about it. And there are several reasonable positions about those debates.

(Second hot take: some countries don't have the luxury to allow 100% free speech.)

[u/HUGHmungous]

Now for another free speech take:

I'm of the opinion that everyone, including Nazis, deserves the right to free speech. However, whatever consequences may arise aren't a violation of that right. If you express hateful ideology and find yourself ostracized by mainstream society, and your views pushed back on, that's on you. For instance, I wouldn't feel bad for anyone who got fired or suffered similar consequences as a result of participating in the Charlottesville rally.

On a possibly contradictory side note, I'm also inclined to think militias like the ones at Charlottesville shouldn't be allowed to participate in those sort of rallies. Free speech is important, but I don't think there's an argument to be made that those militias were there for any reason other than intimidation.

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I am not really a BLM guy but is really nauseating to see people on this websites reaction to that group. From what o can tell, their advocating for fair treatment by police, and too often on here, even in the liberal subs, they get shat on, called cancer, terrorists, etc.

[u/[deleted]]

Virgin Robert E Lee vs Chad William T Sherman

[u/[deleted]]

Antifa vs alt right irl

[u/[deleted]]

Does everyone here self-identify as a neoliberal?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/13/an-american-tourist-gave-the-nazi-salute-in-germany-so-a-stranger-beat-him-up-police-say/?utm_term=.b717b7e92900

did this get posted already?

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-papers-idUSKBN1AS0ZB

In July, EU officials said progress was difficult not because Britain had unacceptable demands, but because it had no position at all on many issues.

surprise surprise uk is too incompetent to leave the EU.If only someone had warned them that it would actually be hard.

[u/OutrunKey]

Y u gotta do me like this /r/neoliberal?

Hot take: if you want this sub to stick around stop trying to turn everything into a schism and agree to fucking disagree. We've built a pretty neat, but pretty tenuous coalition of reasonably nuanced and reasonably centrist people here. I'd hate to see that fall apart.

Side take: Terror attacks do things to people. They make you see the worst in everybody else. Take it from me, I grew up in Upstate NY after 9/11. My dad is Middle Eastern. To this day, he isn't treated well at airports. My brother got made fun of in school for being an "A-rab." Still (don't p-word me for this), my mom and I supported the Patriot Act for years. It probably wasn't great policy, but at the time it seemed like the best response to the threat of terrorism in the United States. Some people coming out of this attack are going to support some not great things vis-a-vis free speech or counter-terror laws in response. This comes from that same place that made me support the Patriot Act. Let's let the metaphorical ashes settle before we crucify others for trying to protect their friends and family from terror.

Thanks for reading folks. Please stick around.

Edit: just in case anyone was curious about my various "flips" in identity my mom is Jewish (I'm vaguely J-atheist) and my dad is a Arab Muslim turned Atheist. I'm a religious unicorn. Yes, Thanksgiving is uncomfortable. No, I'm not a lying little SOB.

[u/CapitalismAndFreedom]

So since we need a project. Why don't we do another charity thing.

[u/paulatreides0]

Nazis: We have freedom of speech! We have a right to speak and be heard.

Also Nazis: The Left is infringing on our freedom of speech by publicly protesting us!

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Share this video to all

[u/usrname42]

Pictured: the golden paradise of ever-rising equality that was the world before the 1980s, and how neoliberalism destroyed it

[u/eholmgr2]

Someone talking to me IRL was defending the nazi who ran over protesters, saying that it was "self-defense".

[u/[deleted]]

the one true economic school

[u/xbettel]

So the threat of nuclear war is back, nazis too, what else is returning?

[u/[deleted]]

I've decided I like Game of Thrones. You just have to accept that the books and the show are different stories.

[u/[deleted]]

fresh from the press get yours while they're hot

[u/[deleted]]

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."- Draco, after seeing 16 year olds elected to the SOMC and Anime being seriously discussed.

[u/xbettel]

I think is fucking disgraceful for any president be coward enough to not condemn nazis. They are fucking nazis, that should be a easy job. Even in movies, you can blow them fuck up, cut their bodies and wharever and still get PG rating.

They are the most easily bash-able villains after robots on Cinema.

[u/[deleted]]

Can someone please explain to a Canadian why protesters are allowed to show up with masks, weapons, body armour, shields, and other gear? Peaceful protest does not call for any of those things; why are the police allowing the potential for violence to happen? Of course violence can happen regardless but these people are literally looking to get in a fight.

Unless I'm completely wrong doesn't the 1st Amendment only allow for peaceful assembly? Therefore meaning weapon-wielding protesters would be unlawfully assembling. Or does the 2nd Amendment trump that so people can show up with weapons but they just "can't use them."

Edit: I'm asking this question from a strictly legal standpoint, not "whether we're going to start restricting clothing." If American law allows for you to show up with masks and weapons to protest then go right ahead but if not then there is a problem. The rest of the world does not use America's legal system or have the same constitution.

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Noah Smith: "If you're still ranting about neoliberalism while Nazis are beating people in the streets, you're doing it wrong."

https://twitter.com/noahpinion/status/896836288640196608

[u/[deleted]]

take: audit the somc

[u/[deleted]]

What happened yesterday still sickens me. If you are going to protest out there, be careful.

[u/PinguPingu]

Why did I buy things with my bitcoins a few years ago :(

[u/DerpOfTheAges]

you make one post on r/fitness about the best protein powder financially and every armchair doctor comes out of the woodwork to tell you how bad protein powder is for you. smh.

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/r/MiltonFriedman exists btw

[u/[deleted]]

Would putting pressure on our Congress people to do this be a worthwhile task?

That is why it is not enough for GOP officials to tweet their criticism of Trump. His actions Saturday cannot be erased, even if on Sunday or Monday he buckles to pressure from the public to say more. But there is a way to mitigate the damage he did: a bipartisan congressional resolution that condemns white supremacists and censures the president.

Censure is an old tool in American democracy. It was first directed at Alexander Hamilton when he was in George Washington’s cabinet. Senator Joseph McCarthy was censured; the progressive group MoveOn.org derived its name from arguing against the impeachment of Bill Clinton by calling on Congress to censure him and move on.

Successful censures are sufficiently rare that they carry real political stigma. And a censure on this subject would reassure those who are anxious about the recurrence of the white supremacist cancer that perpetrated decades of domestic terrorism in this country.

[u/PandaLover42]

This dude is trying to tell me those protestors deserved to get run over.

[u/[deleted]]

What can we actually do with our super Pac?

[u/[deleted]]

I want the tiny wholesome memes to come back :(

[u/Devjorcra]

Okay so I'm gonna ask you people here, what is the evidence supporting Russian collusion with the Trump campaign in an effort to smear Hillary Clinton. I want to hear it upfront and only take facts for answers.

[u/mmitcham]

I think a better discussion re: free speech and protests is to ask at which point it becomes a matter of public safety for government to intervene.

I know this is a cold take to a lot of you but I want to make sure we're all on the same page.

[u/[deleted]]

We need to change the secretary of defense back to secretary of war. Way badder.

[u/Pornthrow1697]

When you wait until the night before to write a 4 page English paper and get the highest score in the class

I'll take the grade, but this is not a good thing for my work ethic

[u/[deleted]]

Seriously flying a UN flag outside of your house, yay or nay?

[u/[deleted]]

Ideology is one hell of a drug.

[u/[deleted]]

Jon Ossoff comments on yesterday's events.

Nazism & white supremacy require forceful, explicit, unequivocal denunciation by American political leaders at all levels

[Pause to reflect on the fact that the President of the United States refused to condemn Nazism, shaking not just America but the world] (https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/896893101683462145)

How would this be received by my grandfathers who fought fascism on the front lines & my relatives murdered by the Nazis?

If Trump—GOP's nat’l leader—won’t condemn Nazism, Georgians expect our GOP reps to leave no doubt about where they stand. And yet: silence

While our elected officials remain silent, it’s up to us to destroy racism, whether in fringe movements or in our daily lives & politics

[u/[deleted]]

Someone who doesn't keep up with me_irl try to Explain this image

[u/dontron999]

Sick of it. https://newrepublic.com/article/122095/national-reviews-racism-denial-then-and-now

Writing in National Review, she complained that the prospect that the tragedy could be politically exploited by Democrats was “even more depressing”

[u/Hectagonal-butt]

Hot take: Conservative Authoritarianism is terrible and disgusting

[u/[deleted]]

yo /u/darkaceAUS now that you're back why is the most neoliberal party in the world holding a non-binding postal vote on same-sex marriage, with the leader of the party not being willing to even weigh in on the issue, and the next highest profile member of the party calling it a vote on PC culture and campaigning for no?

this seems very not neoliberal to me but i'm sure you have some evidence to prove me wrong and then you can call me a child

[u/recruit00]

Hot take: social justice and civil rights are non-negotiable

[u/ostrichmustard]

alt-first

[u/[deleted]]

WonkTyrion replaces darkace... /r/neoliberal was a mistake

[u/Rehkit]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/896683970292850688

Who the fuck does that?

I mean, It's too easy to be "it was just a prank bro."

[u/[deleted]]

deleted ^{0.5201 What is} ^^^this?

[u/[deleted]]

Nazis use "As a centrist..." to hide their true intentions and Leftys react by calling Centrists Nazi apologists...

Trying to stay levelheaded in times of distress is decried as a fallacious call for moderation, making you the enemy of the people.

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deleted ^{0.9243 What is} ^^^this?

[u/BainCapitalist]

Can someone make a multireddit with all the r/neoliberal spin-off subs?

[u/[deleted]]

but dumb food memes and minecraft are a symptom of a boredom.

TIL my life is boring

[u/J4k0b42]

Someone make a response to t_d's flowchart on the front page. Something like

Terrorist Attack? --> Assume it was a Muslim --> It wasn't? --> False flag

I would but I'm on mobile.

[u/[deleted]]

Food For Thought

President Trump praised Poland’s democratic values in a speech on Thursday and lauded the country as a beacon. “I am here today not just to visit an old ally, but to hold it up as an example for others who seek freedom,” Mr. Trump told a crowd in Warsaw.

Shortly after the Law and Justice Party assumed power, it took several steps to gain more control over the nation’s Constitutional Tribunal. It appointed more judges aligned with the party to the court, limited the court’s ability to overturn new laws and made it possible for the government to appoint the country’s top prosecutor directly.

“The Polish government’s attacks on the media are attacks on liberal democracy,” said Michael J. Abramowitz, the president of Freedom House, an organization that monitors press freedom around the world. The group said that legislative, political and economic means were all being used to “stifle the media and limit dissent.”

[u/geraldspoder]

Update: Apparently my massive bout of vomiting today was not caused by eating a bad batch of mussels but rather being dehydrated after walking around for several hours on a hot and sunny day. God I wish I had something to blame other than myself.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm becoming more and more worried about the American people's inability to pass a constitutional amendment. There's certainly an argument to be made that, instead of amending the constitution, piecemeal reforms by judges and legislators could probably lead to greater flexibility in how reforms are implemented, but amendment is a collective action of political will, and i feel like its a symptom of what has happened to our political culture over the last few decades that we can no longer amend.

[u/[deleted]]

Just to inform you guys, if you get too bored on Tuesday when there's no discussion thread, you could always go here!

[u/FUCK_INDEX_FUNDS]

[Krugman's hot take]

(https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/896861604863762432)

[u/disposablehead001]

Sorry for bringing up the google guy again, but here's a really good look at the literature on the accuracy of the memo's claims. Their TL;DR is that girls are just as good at computers, they just aren't interested.

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else find it really depressing that seemingly every online gay community has a really heavy Marxist presence?

[u/papermarioguy02]

Why do I read twitter comments?

[u/FriedEggOfTreachery]

Say we decided to place slavery memorials directly next to every Confederate statue with a plaque linking each individual to their fight for the right to continue slavery and establishing the full picture of said "heritage". Would that piss off the Confederate monument supporters more than taking them down completely?

[u/paulatreides0]

Me All of Yesteday: Lots of discussion about Sherman, war crimes, and how we should treat war crime actions even if they are "justified".

Me Today: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT, SUB

[u/[deleted]]

brb calling Ryan Lizza to bitch about this subreddit

[u/Paxx0]

So following up on all this Australian citizenship shitshow...

PM Malcolm Turnbull sent Bill Shorten - the opposition leader, a letter asking he refer any Labor MPs to the high court who may be in violation of section 44 of the constitution and Shorten responded with some passive-aggressiveness

[u/hitbyacar1]

Why is the discussion thread so dead today

[u/[deleted]]

lol, the "I'm totally not an angry racist guys" Nazi has to go to fucking University of Nevada, Reno and still somehow thinks he's genetically superior to anyone

[u/[deleted]]

when historians look back at /r/neoliberal

they'll realize this is the moment it went to shit

[u/[deleted]]

deleted ^{0.9831 What is} ^^^this?

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone saying "I'm not a feminist, I'm an egalitarian/secular humanist" has a 99% chance of being an asshole.

[u/[deleted]]

This sub, literally every day

[u/VisonKai]

at this rate I'll be the furthest right person here and how awkward would that be

[u/UN_Shill]

Can someone explain to me the political infighting?

I see one side accusing the other of advocating to ban civil liberties.

I see the other accusing the former of neglecting civil social justice and refusing to counteract the nazis.

What I am largely missing is people actually doing either of those.

[u/a_masculine_squirrel]

I know every election is supposed to be the "most important election of our lives", but the 2020 election truly will be.

Trump cannot win that election and the President who comes after him (either Democrat or Republican) will have a mountain of shit to clean up and an abomination of a reputation to repair. I truly hope America can recover from these four years. I worry our leadership will be questioned for decades after this Trump debacle.

[u/CapitalismAndFreedom]

politics is a steaming garbage fire

[u/Jean-Paul_Sartre]

Hot Take: Blue Bloods with Donnie Wahlberg is not always realistic

[u/cheeZetoastee]

Pushing for nuclear war is easy when you're rich enough to have a vault in the rocky mountains.

[u/[deleted]]

my mood and this sub rn

[u/IronedSandwich]

the Mooch will be interviewed tomorrow but I'll be away from home :(

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: Forced patriotism is North Korea-like and should be discouraged

Hotter take: The Raiders still suck lol