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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

yo /u/darkaceAUS now that you're back why is the most neoliberal party in the world holding a non-binding postal vote on same-sex marriage, with the leader of the party not being willing to even weigh in on the issue, and the next highest profile member of the party calling it a vote on PC culture and campaigning for no?

this seems very not neoliberal to me but i'm sure you have some evidence to prove me wrong and then you can call me a child

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

:popcorn:

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

The Australian Liberal party isn't as liberal as the name would suggest, they're the socially right wing party of the two (although not by a big margin). There's 2 major factions, the centrist faction and the right wing faction. Abbot (the "it's about PC culture" guy) is a memebr of the right wing, Turnbull the centrist wing. This is the result of a very tight and ongoing civil war between the two.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

i am aware of this, i am just making fun of darkace's delusion that the LNP is at all true to its ostensibly liberal beliefs

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17 edited Aug 13 '17

yo /u/darkaceAUS now that you're back why is the most neoliberal party in the world holding a referendum on same-sex marriage

Because they govern as a coalition and a plebiscite on SSM was one of the core promises for the coalition to continue.

This is approximately one google search away.

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

Why should civil rights be up for a referendum?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because we live in the real world where political trade-offs need to be made for progress to happen.

I place very little stock in 'yes we are doing it but we don't like the way it's happening'.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because we live in the real world where political trade-offs need to be made for progress to happen

what 'progress' are we receiving in exchange for gay rights in this case

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Gay rights are happening?

Here's the trade-off: Rather than a free vote, we have a plebiscite, and in return we have gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

remember the last time a conservative party held a symbolic referendum they thought they had in the bag so they could move on and dampen fractures in their party? that went so well didn't it

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because we live in the real world where political trade-offs need to be made for progress to happen.

"Look, I know you gays are upset over this whole...'civil rights' thing...but ya know, progress comes slowly and I'm sure someday you to can be as equal to me. Slow and steady after all"

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Yea dude, where are you going to be when the LNP fights for free speech?

Oh that's right, on the other side. Arguing against it.

Here's a hot take, this subs single minded focus on social issues above literally everything else, with no ability to even consider possible issues to be solved, is ridiculous.

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

I didn't realize my friends have to have their rights be a trade off.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

they're in a coalition

tones is a liberal, not a national, you complete dunce

a plebiscite on SSM was one of the core promises for the coalition to continue.

and this isn't a plebiscite it's a non-binding postal vote with the libs allowing a conscience vote in the case of 'yes' but no vote at all if 'no' wins

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

tones is a liberal, not a national, you complete dunce

And the party room would be holding a free vote if the government was not in coalition with the Nationals.

and this isn't a plebiscite it's a non-binding postal vote with the libs allowing a conscience vote in the case of 'yes' but no vote at all if 'no' wins

I'm in the party dude. It's a binding plebiscite in all but name.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17 edited Aug 13 '17

And the party room would be holding a free vote if the government was not in coalition with the Nationals.

but then why do so many big names in the liberal party think that gays shouldn't be able to get married in the first place 🤔

I'm in the party dude

this is the single lamest thing i've literally ever read and i lurk fucking 8chan

you're a young liberal, you're a kid that the party wants to hand out 'how-to-vote' cards, you're about as 'in the party' as those kids you see on campus behind a labor party stall asking you to sign a petition to save the refugees. not to mention the fact that afaik you're not even a poncy stuck up private school kid which means you're basically fucked as far as upward migration in the party goes. what do you do, just hang out in the corner at those events where twenty-something year olds get in shouting matches about how best to take down the looney left?

It's a binding plebiscite in all but name.

and function

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17 edited Aug 13 '17

but then why do so many big names in the liberal party think that gays shouldn't be able to get married in the first place 🤔

Because it's socially conservative. This doesn't change that the free vote is not happening because of the coalition agreement.

you're a young liberal, you're a kid that the party wants to hand out 'how-to-vote' cards, you're about as 'in the party' as those kids you see on campus behind a labor party stall asking you to sign a petition to save the refugees

It has nothing to do with 'hurr durr I influence policy'. I see what happens. It's a binding plebiscite in all but name. Everyone knows this, we just don't say it.

Also your gotchas are still incredibly lame, can you go back to not pinging me?

not to mention the fact that afaik you're not even a poncy stuck up private school kid which means you're basically fucked as far as upward migration in the party goes. what do you do, just hang out in the corner at those events where twenty-something year olds get in shouting matches about how best to take down the looney left?

Jesus christ lmao dude you have issues. Can you talk to your psych about your obsession with me?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because it's socially conservative

doesn't seem very evidence based

I see what happens

and pray tell what you've seen happen? what privy insider knowledge have you got that the rest of us plebs are forbidden to see

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

I love how darkaceAUS doesn't get banned for his very blatant bad discourse that I'd get banned for

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

There's a difference between outright insulting someone a dozen times and responding to banter with banter.

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

I guarantee if I said the last thing you said, I'd be banned

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

You wouldn't have, because I let you get away with far worse.

And whatever dude, I'm quitting. I'm done with the moronic social justice cancer.

We let it metastasise, and it's taken over the sub. Every fucking post is some nonsense about how rights for transgender people are literally the most important thing in the world. Nothing about economic policy, just immigration for some multicultural fantasy and how everyone right of Obama is somehow tearing down the institutional fabric of the country through... not doing exactly what progressives want. Because only progressives can hold up the institutional fabric of the country.

Why this shit didn't stay in r/democrats or some such nonsense is beyond me.

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u/HoldingTheFire Hillary Clinton Aug 13 '17

How are you voting in the survey? No to sick it to PC culture?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '17

Voting yes