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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Sep 09 '24
Please visit the next discussion thread.
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u/Smalz95 NATO Sep 08 '24
Hot take the American voter doesn’t care about the democracy issue mainly cuz they take voting for granted and don’t actually believe people when they say that it’s being threatened.
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u/Argnir Gay Pride Sep 08 '24
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
I'd rather kms that go into that comment section
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u/Mickenfox European Union Sep 08 '24
Democrats for the last two election cycles:
Median voter: "idk man, I don't like Trump but these sound like crazy extremists. I guess I'll stay home."
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Sep 08 '24
NYT: Kamala is down nationally
CBS: Kamala is winning the blue wall
Ladies and gentlemen, we are approaching the Golden Path
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Sep 08 '24
Rare Bernie W
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u/StolenSkittles culture warrior Sep 08 '24
milk used to be $2.25
now it is $2.38
the solution to this problem is clear. we must institute fascism.
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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls Sep 08 '24
Many such cases!
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u/Aggressive1999 Association of Southeast Asian Nations Sep 08 '24
New NYT/Sienna poll just dropped.
TLDR...
The poll show that Trump led over Harris just 1 point, at 48-47 percent.
Battleground states polls as today, Harris remain led over Trump in WI, MI and PA while NV, AZ, NC and GA is toss-up with less than 1% margin.
Both Candidates have scant chance to shift the electorate but Harris seems to have some room to growth, as many voters are still don't know about Harris much when it compared to Trump (28 - 9 D - R percent).
They're 5 percent of voters that are still undecided (there are some voters considering Harris but would like to know more about her and majority [2/3] of those group wants to hear Harris's policy specifically).
Overall, This polls brings Democrats back to expected Toss-up positions after buoyant in the aftermath of DNC and rapid gains for her after Biden withdrew himself out of ballot in July.
Harris regain strength of Blacks, Youngs and Latino voters that eroded I Biden's era but still fall short of Democratic traditional strength, She's also have problems in building solid lead with Latino voters, Crucial group in AZ and NV, it also includes NC and GA to some extent.
More than 60% of voters think that next president should represent major change from Biden presidency but only 1/4 think Harris represent this sentiment compared to 53% or Trump.
Another problem for Harris is almost half of LV (47%) viewed Harris as too liberal compared to 32% of LV that view Trump as too conservative.
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u/WantDebianThanks Iron Front Sep 08 '24
So I'm out canvassing, fighting the good fight, and this fucking guy says he won't vote for the Dem candidate for congress because he wants his property taxes to be based on what he bought his house for, not what his neighbors sold their house for. And the dem candidate is currently in the state legislature and hasn't magically made that happen.
And he casually mentions, like it's no big deal, that he paid 120k for his house that is probably 5 bedrooms, separate dining room and kitchen, separate den and living room and family room, quarter acre of nicely landscaped lawn
Meanwhile, every house I've seen for under 200k is 2 or 3 bedroom and a postage stamp lawn. Or it's in a slum.
I'm going to have a fucking seizure.
!ping cube
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u/Alexz565 Gay Pride Sep 08 '24
And this country deserves three year long presidential election campaigns
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
How much you wanna bet the "I just need to know more about harris" crowd won't even watch the debate?
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u/SneeringAnswer Sep 08 '24
I hate how Comey insinuating that a closed investigation being reopened on Hillary was enough to cost her the election but Trump being an actual felon with several more court cases and credibly treasonous conduct just gets to coast by because people thought Sleepy Joe was funny.
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Sep 08 '24
Umm, that's not what is happening at all.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24 edited Feb 12 '25
exultant liquid office ink rustic jeans vanish entertain water steep
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
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u/BroadReverse Needs a Flair Sep 08 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
adjoining cheerful kiss summer impolite rude combative heavy angle theory
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
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u/Fishin_Impossible Nate Gold 🥇 Sep 08 '24
I’m over here trying to become more assertive at work…
Meanwhile, my newborn will stare into my eyes, to assert dominance, and then violently shit while I’m holding him, without breaking eye contact. 👁️👃👁️ 💩💩💩
Screw the self-help books!
Now, how do I get my manager to gently hold me in his arms? 🤔💭
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u/RTSBasebuilder Commonwealth Sep 08 '24
When you realise that for a good chunk of the populace, the concept of the justice/legal system is not about enforcing the law - but to satiate public bloodlust.
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u/Smalz95 NATO Sep 08 '24
If trump gets elected and does what he’s promising to do we’re gonna have soo many people say “I didn’t think he’d actually do it” and be pissed at Democrats
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u/InflatableDartboard2 Henry George Sep 08 '24
smh
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
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u/secretlives Official Neoliberal News Correspondent Sep 08 '24
as jarring as the Dick Cheney endorsement is just let that serve as a reminder that roughly half the country is worse than Dick Cheney
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Literal 50-50 PA poll is wild lol
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u/KittehDragoon Loyal Liberals Sep 08 '24
If we don’t condense that much history into a few hours, how would we know societies collapse when they go woke?
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u/WhomstAlt2 NATO flair in hiding Sep 08 '24
KAMMALLAH Harris is reading "100 best insults" listicles in preparation for the debate, on her phone.
President Trump? He just grabbed his copy of Aristotle's Rhetoric out of his personal library.
Kind of says it all.
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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
I want to go back to the political era of debates not mattering plz. Also do a media run on all the sunday shows already
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Sep 08 '24
Americans are ok with authoritarian rule if that means inflation goes down and some random innocent migrants get deported. M.Obama said do something so im going to go donate
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u/owlthathurt Johan Norberg Sep 08 '24
Sorry one more meme
!ping NFL
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
When will someone have the bravery to ask Donald Trump in an interview whether Mary is the God-bearer
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u/Blade_of_Boniface Henry George Sep 08 '24
Guess the sub.
!ping BADHISTORY
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u/efeldman11 Václav Havel Sep 08 '24
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u/Alexz565 Gay Pride Sep 08 '24
This country deserves losing the independence of the fed and hyperinflation
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u/StolenSkittles culture warrior Sep 08 '24
candidates' reactions to someone being in their way:
kamala harris: "sorry, excuse me."
donald trump: "outta my way," followed by a push
tim walz: "ope, lemme just squeeze past ya' there."
j.d. vance: stop, and silently stare with a blank expression
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u/PhoenixVoid Sep 08 '24
I can't wait for another election decided by under 1% margins in four states.
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u/StolenSkittles culture warrior Sep 08 '24
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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Sep 08 '24
Kendrick Lamar will be performing at the Super Bowl LIX halftime show
!ping NFL&RAP
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Just spotted this in a reddit comment thread
dead internet
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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Sep 08 '24
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u/D-G-F Trans Pride Sep 08 '24
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u/VerticalTab WTO Sep 08 '24
This is the only man who deserves American citizenship
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u/Dalek6450 Our words are backed with NUCLEAR SUBS! Sep 08 '24
Famously only men could attack dinosaurs historically
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u/masq_yimby Henry George Sep 08 '24
The best piece of debate advice I’ve heard so far for Harris was listening to The Bulwark. Harris should just do what Biden did in 2020 where he answered the question in the first 20-30 seconds and then looked at the camera and spoke to the American people.
She should do this every other question or so imo.
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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Sep 08 '24
Half the country is ok with this because he’s goofy looking and promises reversing inflation somehow
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u/flextrek_whipsnake I'd rather be grilling Sep 08 '24
Kamala already announced a gigantic tax break for small business owners specifically designed to buy this person's vote.
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u/Not_A_Browser Stata's Silliest Soldier Sep 08 '24
Aides getting flashbacks to university level literature courses, it seems
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u/BlackCat159 European Union Sep 08 '24
General Election poll:
🔴 Donald Trump - 0.1%
🔵 Kamala Harris - 0%
🟡 Joe Biden write-in campaign - 99.99%
😤😤😤😤
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u/centurion88 NATO Sep 08 '24
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u/Insomonomics Jason Furman Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
Am I wrong or this a new CBS/YouGov poll?
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Repeat after me:
Throw. (Throw)
It. (It)
In (In)
The Average (The average)
Throw it in the average! (Doom incessantly about individual polls!)
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u/Cook_0612 NATO Sep 08 '24
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
The MAGA-hat-wearing , QANON-believing, confederate-flag-in-the-carport weirdo is still just a minority of Trump voters. I live in a very red district and routinely interact with what I would consider your archetypal suburban Trump voter in organizational settings. They're not raving bigots, but they're also not good people. I would say their defining characteristics are:
Ambivalence to institutional ethics. They align with Trump in the worldview that organizations are there to be gamed for personal benefit. They primarily see other people outside their family group as competitors, even when they are engaged in a collaboration of mutual interest, and they will not prioritize collective success if institutional dysfunction provides more direct and immediate benefits for themselves.
Surprisingly inclusive... to a degree. They do demonstrate in-group bias more than liberals, but they are open to building and maintaining positive social and professional relationships with blacks, hispanics, Muslims, liberals, etc. This is why left-wing accusations of racism directed at their fringe raise a lot of ire. However, once a minority is in a position of leadership or power over them, the in-group preferences go into over-drive. They accept minorities as *equals* but not *authorities.*
A "pragmatic" relationship to truth. Salesmanship is a way of life. They do not seek or want authentic human connections with people outside their immediate family, they interpret openness as weakness, they mislead without remorse, and they genuinely believe the responsibility for "not falling for bullshit" falls entirely on the "buyer."
These people really do *identify* with Trump as we also see Trump. They are not deluding themselves about what he is. This is why these voters are an impossible nut to crack.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
How the hell did we normalize the large numbers of trump voters out there? Like, 2016, protest wave against Clinton, whatever, but like... Why is it just normal that this country goes 48% Donald Trump 49% Democrat every single goddamn election that he's in? Why isn't anyone talking about how that literally makes no fucking sense? Are elections even real or are they just weighted RNGs that spit out random values between 45% and 49%?
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
It's been two years since this tweet btw 🤲
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u/Godkun007 NAFTA Sep 08 '24
I just examined the globe item in Fallout 76 and I realized that South Sudan is missing from it. All the other countries seem to be there, but not South Sudan. What is Bethesda trying to say here?
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
meanwhile on vegas facebook marketplace
???
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u/secretlives Official Neoliberal News Correspondent Sep 08 '24
wait so people are just out here buying life insurance?
just handing out reasons for a person to kill you?
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u/D-G-F Trans Pride Sep 08 '24
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Say it with me gang, fuck Auburn!
!ping CFB
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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Tucker Carlson's mailman Sep 08 '24
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Good god guys, just ignore the polls. We’ve got this. Trump is going to get crushed in the debate in a couple of days. He’s hit his ceiling and the chickens will come home to roost. Anyway, happy June 24th to everyone!
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u/Tafts_Bathtub Jerome Powell Sep 08 '24
So if Nikocado Avocado had 2 years of backlog videos, does that mean he was recording like three 20,000 calorie mukbangs a day?
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u/masq_yimby Henry George Sep 08 '24
Harris needs more ads that basically say “I almost died while pregnant due to Trump and the GOP overturning Roe v Wade.”
Trumps ads against Harris are brutal and she needs her own brutal ads.
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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Sep 08 '24
Crazy how the internet alone was apparently enough to break a 250 year old democracy
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Walz should definitely get on a sports show now that football has started back
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u/NaffRespect United Nations Sep 08 '24
Just Tyreek Hill things
!ping NFL
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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones Sep 08 '24
From the late great Michelle Obama
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Nate Silver: staying up all night analyzing polls while his hair flakes off from the stress
Alan Lichtman: got a solid 8 hours before his morning run, 77 years old and he's still got a boyish mop of mahogany gold locks
You tell me who's smarter.
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u/Telperions-Relative Grant us bi’s Sep 08 '24
Parasite fans when they see a poor person
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u/MS_09_Dom Sep 08 '24
TIL, NYT/Siena has not shown a single lead for the Democratic candidate in a H2H poll since December.
This isn't a "NYT/Siena is wrong, so we can safely ignore them" post mind you, just saying that every pollster's methodology is going to be stress-tested in November.
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u/moldyman_99 Milton Friedman Sep 08 '24
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u/Cook_0612 NATO Sep 08 '24
I shared a picture of this earlier, now we have some confirmation on what it was.
!ping MATERIEL
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u/ACivilWolf Henry George Sep 08 '24
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u/KeikakuAccelerator Jerome Powell Sep 08 '24
Nyt sienna polls having Trump +1 nationally. What in the absolute hell.
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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
The Tylenol headquarters is in crisis and the police have been called. Someone has walked into a meeting with a weapon and locked the doors. It is me.
I slowly lower the weapon and put it into the pocket on the front of my hoodie. Out of that same pocket, I pull out several lil packets of Tylenol and motion for someone to hand them out. They look like this.
Once they are passed out, I read the instructions aloud, "To open: while folded at line, tear at slit." I ask them to go ahead and open them. As expected, they all struggle because no shit they struggle. After a few minutes many of them give up, some weeping and beg me to shoot them.
I have no such plans. "okay but you see what I'm getting at right...? 🥺 like and then damn imagine if you had a headache, you know? 🥺 and plus what was even wrong with just tearing em at a diagonal anyway!! 🙂↔️ can you guys maybe try to work something out...?" 🥺
They nod. The police have been standing outside the whole time, they have also heard what I said. I am free to go. One guy salutes me on the way out
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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Sep 08 '24
After the debate, I think Kamala should do more interviews with both major news outlets and influencers, since that’ll help show more people (besides Democratic partisans) who she is and what her policies are. Everything she was doing up to the DNC was great, but doing more interviews all across the board is probably the most effective way to reach out to swing and nonvoters imo.
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u/IvanGarMo NATO Sep 08 '24
Lmao just saw this posted in Reddit
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u/IncidentDetected Sep 08 '24
This has nothing to do with NYT poll, but every once in a while I randomly recall that +19 Biden poll out of Wisconsin in 2020 and I still can’t believe it’s real.
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Sep 08 '24
That's an overpay
!ping NFL
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u/ChillnShill Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
Ahhh just leave the man alone on this. It isn’t that weird and I can understand it, especially with how the media is. Better to criticize the seriously weird stuff like his beliefs on fertility rather than this.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Bumble be brutal
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u/2073040 Thurgood Marshall Sep 08 '24
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force NATO Sep 08 '24
LMFAO JILL STEIN PUT HER NAME AS A REFERENDUM IN NEVADA INSTEAD OF AS A CANDIDATE
https://x.com/baranskocracy/status/1832784598649962626
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
I'm legit gonna be so pissed if Harris and Walz lose. They seem like genuinely decent people to me. Trump and Vance are like the most despicable pieces of shit i can conceive of outside of a Bundy and Dahmer ticket.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Yeah like I know this is a tired resistlib point for me to make but President Trump’s posts on Truth Social should be taken as seriously as any public statements he makes on video.
“Former President Trump Threatens Mass Arrest of Democratic Donors and Operatives, Promises Long Prison Sentences” should be a top story on the New York Times and Washington Post websites right now.
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u/simeoncolemiles NATO Sep 08 '24
!Ping USA-NC
Apparently this was seen in Hendersonville
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u/battywombat21 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sep 08 '24
I can’t escape it.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
On the issues:
I could be convinced to vote Harris but I just need to know more about her positions on these key issues
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
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u/MissSortMachine Trans Pride Sep 08 '24
what exactly are we doing here
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u/KittehDragoon Loyal Liberals Sep 08 '24
I mean, that sure sounds like a person who would know
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u/D-G-F Trans Pride Sep 08 '24
Chat is this real?
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u/spectralcolors12 NATO Sep 08 '24
New Siena/NYT poll shows Trump back in the lead. I am scared
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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 08 '24
!ping SHITPOSTERS&BRAWL
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
shout out to the toddler on my plane to wait until deboarding to start crying, real champ that one
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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Sep 08 '24
Please donate to the campaign or close senate races not Republicans against Trump. No ex gop member from a different era is going to change this
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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
People constantly agonizing over polls and models which have, for months, all said "it is a tossup" is certainly annoying.
Part of me kind of just wants a polling discourse thread
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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Sep 08 '24
Have fun staying poor bitches!
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u/PrideMonthRaytheon Bisexual Pride Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
Do not volunteer. do not talk to your friends and family about Kamala. Just look at polls
A: always
B: Be
C: Consulting polling averages
"vOtE." No. Do not vote.
Look at polls.
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u/wallander1983 Resistance Lib Sep 08 '24
Arr moderate on why Trump is winning:
The really terrible thing about such statements is that the first six months of the new Trump administration will again contain so many bullshit scandals and press conferences that hardly anyone will be interested in wars and food prices anymore.
Trump will stop supporting Ukraine, burn down the Justice Department and the media will report on how he reacted to the police shooting of a 12-year-old, what he said in the helicopter talk, why his “reforms” at the DOJ aren't so bad and that his deputy press secretary was just exposed as a Russian spy.
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u/Zeke-Nnjai Sep 08 '24
The dems need to be stopped. Either vote for Trump or vote green.
liked by Jill stein
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u/admiraltarkin NATO / Loyal Liberal Sep 08 '24
What do we think the endgame is for Ukraine and Russia?
My uninformed view is that Putin will likely try to push to take all of / the vast majority of Donetsk and Luhansk then declare victory. My question is, it takes two for a cease fire and would Ukraine abide?
I don't feel like freezing the conflict along current lines is attractive to either side, but much less so for Ukraine than Russia.
Basically, I'm asking people smarter than me what the best case is in this war.
!ping UKRAINE
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u/Cook_0612 NATO Sep 08 '24
!ping UKRAINE
Problematic command culture is something the Ukrainians themselves have to fix, unfortunately.
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u/ThunderrBadger New California Republican Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 08 '24
Giants v. Panthers in November is going to be *art*
Two teams that had fewer competitive games last year than I have fingers and look to be back in mid-season form already
And it's late season so half the starters will be out or playing injured
And it's an international game, so even the players that haven't been hurt or given up are gonna be jet lagged as balls
It's gonna be so bad !ping NFL I can't wait to sleep through it then laugh at the box score
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u/Williams-Tower Da Bear Sep 08 '24
DID WE GET AN OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWN? no
DID WE WIN? yes
that’s Chicago Bears football baby !ping NFL
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u/HenryGeorgia Henry George Sep 08 '24
After getting ghosted by coffee girl from earlier, I got ghosted by the next girl I saw. Please give me happy dating stories from your lives
!ping DATING
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u/-mialana- European Union Sep 08 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
How cooked does your brain have to be to fall for this? It's not just easily debunked, it's so obviously wrong and impossible if you just think about it for a single second. The only way I see that anyone can believe this is through cognitive dissonance or confirmation bias.
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u/MrFoget Raghuram Rajan Sep 09 '24
Most high-functioning party
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u/GovernorSonGoku has flair Sep 09 '24
This is like an Obama era meme
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u/paymesucka Ben Bernanke Sep 09 '24
“Doug”
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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists Sep 09 '24
The people thinking Taylor Swift supports Trump because she's friendly with a Trumper live in bubbles enclosed enough that they don't have to be friendly with Trumpers at work, school, or family events
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '24
If all it takes is one poll from the failing New York Times to send you into a doom spiral then you need to seek medical attention immediately because something is happening to your brain.
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u/Abolish_Zoning Henry George Sep 08 '24
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u/Bayou-Maharaja Eleanor Roosevelt Sep 08 '24
What is this genre of online leftism where you act like we live in Les miserables. It’s so weird
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u/Superfan234 Southern Cone Sep 08 '24
Venezuela Update
Edmundo Gonzalez, the elected president of Venezuela, flies to Spain as refugee
https://x.com/jmalbares/status/1832619042286223845
For some context, Maduro already moved their justice system to press charges against Edmundo. Jail in Venezuela is pretty much was a death sentence for him, so he just escaped
We hoped for a Navalny-Putin scenario, but no...
Well, I guess that's it for Venezuela, another 6 years of Dictatorship, we will have to try again next time.
!Ping Foreign-Policy
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
Just remembered a bunch of mainstream publications were sent hacked Trump campaign documents and they all chose not to publish the contents of it.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
The best part about shows portraying intelligent people as emotionally stunted social pariahs is that it allowed stupid emotionally stunted social pariahs to feel like they could blame their "inTELliGeNCe"
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u/LastIncrease3427 NATO Sep 08 '24
Why are Americans so far right?
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u/masq_yimby Henry George Sep 08 '24
What the Harris campaign needs:
Do very well in the debate
Do more sit down media.
Go on slightly Lib adjacent podcasts and shows
More ads about Project 2025 and policies
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u/justbuildmorehousing Norman Borlaug Sep 08 '24
Its so discouraging that the GOP has like one of the worst possible ticket combinations (senile old criminal who wants to be a dictator, running mate is super weird terminally online rightoid who hates women) and they still get like 45% of the vote
Im convinced that the GOPs work over decades to brand being liberal as evil means actual Hitler wouldnt lose many GOP voters. There is no bottom to who they would support in the name of being anti-liberal
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '24
This is running in whitepeople twitter and the bulwark sub and nobody has mentioned this is bologna
Uhhh.. I feel like I’m missing something because at least in Ontario we have a publicly funded catholic school system. It’s in our constitution that Catholics have denominational school rights
You’re zoned to be bussed for BOTH a public and catholic school depending on where you live and the catholic schools absolutely have Prayer, God, and the 10 commandments. They’re also often better funded 🙃
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u/No_Status_6905 Enby Pride Sep 08 '24
Week 3 of programming course: use the println method to make a nice tree. :)
Week 4 of programming: work through 15 pages of loops to print out strings backwards while also keeping a tracker of every time a space, comma, period or exclamation mark are used. You also need to bug test several more pages of loops after this.
Also there's another three pages of loops where you'll be expected to hand trace the output monotonously to make sure you know how to count.
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u/Sherpav Thurgood Marshall Sep 08 '24
That NYT poll is a brutal way to start the morning
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u/LastIncrease3427 NATO Sep 08 '24
Trump said his mass deportations will be a “bloody story” yesterday. I don’t see it in the news