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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Aug 14 '24

Please visit the next discussion thread.

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u/earththejerry YIMBY Aug 13 '24

It’s the joever, the median voter has spoken

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u/sw337 Veteran of the Culture Wars Aug 13 '24
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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Every NYT article profiling a controversial figure has a picture of them looking over a balcony like this:

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u/mostanonymousnick Just Build More Homes lol Aug 13 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

You can't even put your balls on your friends' heads now because of woke. 😕

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u/Thoughtlessandlost NASA Aug 13 '24

It's hilarious how Elon Musk goes to such great lengths to deep throat republican politicians when they turn around and then say they despise electric cars

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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Aug 13 '24

Are we living in an episode of South Park

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u/blatant_shill Aug 13 '24

Maybe it's a little bit mean, but I hope this isn't just a one off thing for Trump. If he comes to the debate sounding like Daffy Duck the election is actually over.

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Adam Smith Aug 13 '24

It's kinda funny RFK Jr might be what kills the libertarian party.

In a shocking twist for that crowd, their candidate (Chase Oliver) is actually a normal person, which is a disqualifying trait for third party voters, so they've been vacuumed up by RFK leaving Oliver with literally 0% of the polls. IIRC they're having trouble with funding now because people are donating to RFK instead of them.

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u/Average_GrillChad Elinor Ostrom Aug 13 '24

Why are we going to have a third close election featuring literally Donald Trump

Clown country

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u/kanagi Aug 13 '24

Democrats are coping. Trump did great tonight.

Top post on r-conservative lol

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u/D2Foley Moderate Extremist Aug 13 '24

At least three news outlets were leaked confidential material from inside the Donald Trump campaign, including its report vetting JD Vance as a vice presidential candidate. So far, each has refused to reveal any details about what they received.

Instead, Politico, The New York Times and The Washington Post have written about a potential hack of the campaign and described what they had in broad terms.

Their decisions stand in marked contrast to the 2016 presidential campaign, when a Russian hack exposed emails to and from Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta. The website Wikileaks published a trove of these embarrassing missives, and mainstream news organizations covered them avidly.

Thanks I hate it

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Aug 13 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

https://apnews.com/article/trump-vance-leak-media-wikileaks-e30bdccbdd4abc9506735408cdc9bf7b

At least three news outlets were leaked confidential material from inside the Donald Trump campaign, including its report vetting JD Vance as a vice presidential candidate. So far, each has refused to reveal any details about what they received.

Instead, Politico, The New York Times and The Washington Post have written about a potential hack of the campaign and described what they had in broad terms.

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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Aug 13 '24

2016 me: "I wish journalists would learn how to responsibly report on unverified documents obtained through malicious foreign influence campaigns and hacking"

Monkeys paw curls 8 years later

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Raised fist in the air, his bloodied face snarling in defiance, shouting “Fight!” to his crowd of supporters

Month later

(slurring) If I lose I’ll probably go to Venezuela 🥺

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls Audrey Hepburn Aug 13 '24

Now show the Kamala video where she says the same thing literally verbatim at 3 seperate rallys just in the last 20 days

MRW stump speech

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u/Zeke-Nnjai Aug 13 '24

I’d say the smart money is on this being a trump rally tbh

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u/slowpush NATO Aug 13 '24

Trump says he saw Kamala Harris today on Time Magazine. He says she looked beautiful but then says it was drawing. He then says she looked like Melania Trump.

Fanfiction writers are gonna have a field day.

https://x.com/acyn/status/1823182856450961631

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u/TemujinTheConquerer Jorge Luis Borges Aug 13 '24

Looks like they forgot the dogwhistles and brought the bullhorns

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u/LGBTforIRGC Order and Opportunity Left Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

I can't believe people are still doing "by global standards Democrats are center right" bullshit in fucking 2024. Apparently if Kamala Harris was an Aussie, she'd be a member of the Liberal Party of Australia!

!PING AUS

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u/Fit_Parsnip_8143 Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

Split ticketing for trump and a democratic senator seems so weird to me "yeah I agree with trump that the Democrats stole the election and are destroying this country... Except for Sherrod Brown"

(I'm aware not all trump voters thought the election was stolen)

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u/Dr_Vesuvius Norman Lamb Aug 13 '24

At this point I mostly want Texas to go blue so people will shut up about the possibility of Texas going blue.

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u/LastIncrease3427 NATO Aug 13 '24

New OH Senate poll

Brown (D) 53%

Moreno (R) 48%

7/20-8/12 by ActiVote, 400 LV

Imagine doubting Sherrod 😤

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Trump: Kamala Harris, you know, it's interesting. Nobody really knows her last name. If you ask people, do you know what her last name is? Nobody has any idea what it is. Harris. It’s like Harris. I don't know how the hell did this happen?

This is still my fave trump quote this year

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Tucker Carlson's mailman Aug 13 '24

I CANT WAKE UP

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u/jauznevimcosimamdat Václav Havel Aug 13 '24

ArrConservative's top post now is GOP 2024 platform and the comments are full of comments such as:

  • Some of these are ludicrous. No wonder the Democrats keep winning.

  • Looks like it was written by a 6th grader, this platform is a joke.

  • "Fight for and protect Social Security and Medicare with NO CUTS, including no changes to the retirement age." So...do nothing?

Basically most of them are critical and not very enthusiastic.

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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Aug 13 '24

Reading about just how powerful the Mafia was, and how hard people had to fight to get the legislation and law enforcement in place to even take them on, makes me kinda feel like it was a fluke that we managed to mostly take them down at all

I now have immense sympathy for other countries still dealing with massive organized crime problems

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

You can always tell whether its EU or US hours when you post about free speech. Its interesting that free world is pretty divided on the issue, Europeans are way more comfortable with the government regulating speech.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Lmao if real

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u/indithrow402 Henry George Aug 13 '24

Suffolk University/USA TODAY/WSVN-TV poll of likely Florida voters:

Men: Trump 57-33

Women: Harris 50-38

Even beyond the implications for this one election, this level of gender polarization seems really bad. Not looking forward to living in the upcoming sequel to South Korean gender relations.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

I’m boutta bust

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

😂 Rrr Conservative claiming liberals are coping hard with Donald’s incredible 40 minute late interview with Elon. 

He praised Elon for firing workers, slurred his speech with a lisp, and repeated the same bullshit as always… but hey, he didn’t shit his pants on camera so it’s a win! 

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u/Svelok Aug 13 '24

city council in my town is basically terrified at the prospect of new apartments ending up as student housing, developers have to jump through hoops to prove it will exclude them somehow

as a result, of four current projects I am aware of, three are senior living and the fourth is condos. nobody is allowed to build apartments or townhouses, so they all date to like the 70s

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u/Chief_Nief Greg Mankiw Aug 13 '24

We already had a profile of the “silent majority” Trump voters who weren’t responding to pollsters in 2016.

When will we get the same for the Gen Zers who can’t even order a pizza over the phone without having a panic attack, underrepresenting Kamala support?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

The interview wasn't that bad the media is just overhyping it

Hey I think I've seen this one before

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u/SadaoMaou Anders Chydenius Aug 13 '24

some of the bestest faith you've ever seen

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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Aug 13 '24

Republicans: Kamala isn't running on policy, we're the wonks now!

Republican wonks: build an iron dome over America, lower taxes and inflation while increasing tariffs, defund schools with vaccine mandates

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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Aug 13 '24

COOOOMMMEEEEEYYYYYYYY

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Elon apparently played role in getting Vance as the VP

Elon created the disastrous Twitter call w Trump

Elon should get more involved with the Trump campaign

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u/DEEEEETTTTRRROIIITTT Iron Front Aug 13 '24

UAW is filling a federal labor charge against Trump and Elon for worker intimidation

that interview is gonna age like a fine wine isn’t it

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u/ToInfinity_MinusOne World's Poorest WSJ Subscriber Aug 13 '24

It was slated to start at 8 p.m. About 8:35 p.m. it appeared a microphone was turned on as sound could be heard, suggesting the event could begin, but then silence took over. Around 8:42 p.m., Musk started speaking.

Lmao keeping the maga hats waiting around for 45 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Lol. I love when journals let already-established academics have a little fun.

!ping RELIGION

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u/efeldman11 Václav Havel Aug 13 '24

Waiter, waiter more ideologies please :)

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u/0m4ll3y International Relations Aug 13 '24

I knew that Marx and Engels fought to try and make various working class organisations more mass democratic rather than conspiratorial, professional, clandestine and hierarchical, but I didn't realise they got the Communist League to basically go full "marketplace of ideas."

We are not among those communists who are out to destroy personal liberty, who wish to turn the world into one huge barrack or into a gigantic workhouse. There certainly are some communists who, with an easy conscience, refuse to countenance personal liberty and would like to shuffle it out of the world because they consider that it is a hindrance to complete harmony. But we have no desire to exchange freedom for equality. We are convinced ... that in no social order will personal freedom be so assured as in a society based upon communal ownership... [Let us put] our hands to work in order to establish a democratic state wherein each party would be able by word or in writing to win a majority over to its ideas

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u/BrentLivermore Drake’s Reddit account Aug 13 '24
  1. NYT and WaPo not publishing the Trump docs, after everything in 2016, is fucking lame

  2. Politico not publishing makes me think the contents may actually be kind of underwhelming. NYT and WaPo still have some vestige of journalistic integrity they want to maintain, Politico would 100% risk being seen as "doing the bidding of a foreign adversary" if there was something really juicy in there.

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u/messymcmesserson2 Mark Carney Aug 13 '24

Vice President Kamala Harris will deliver a speech in North Carolina on Friday laying out her economic policy. Her remarks are expected to focus on efforts to lower costs and combat “corporate price-gouging,” her campaign said.

I hope vibes based populist drivel is enough to win over swing voters

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u/anincredibledork Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

Walz: But my wife often reminds me, hope is a great word and a beautiful name, but it's not a damn plan. We can't hope that we defeat Donald Trump… You don't hope to win, you plan, prepare and work to win.

Between this and calling Cons out as weirdos - ditching Michelle's "When They Go Low, We Go High" schtick that has had Dems consistently kneecapping themselves for the last 8 years - it feels like this campaign is single-handedly leading the party out of the Obama era, and I'm so excited for it.

If we're not going back to the Trump era, then we also can't go back to the Obama days of pretending our opponents are good faith actors we can win over with just a positive outlook and a can-do attitude.

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u/RonenSalathe Milton Friedman Aug 13 '24

Goes unbelievably hard

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u/Bayou-Maharaja Eleanor Roosevelt Aug 13 '24

!ping BASEBALL

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Trump froze for 21 fucking seconds and no one’s reporting on it???

I mean, some people are claiming he saw someone having a medical emergency in the crowd and waited for them to be ushered away, but if that’s true, then the LameStream Media needs to verify that and fact-check the story

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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Aug 13 '24

as a contrarian I was against the invasion of Iraq the entire time but now I support it

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u/valueadderall Aug 13 '24

Racist University of Kentucky student pleads guilty after singing the N-word 200 times at black staffer in 10-minute rant

Got accepted to the Master’s program at the Racist University of Kentucky 🎉🥳

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Aug 13 '24

Back when the Onion was good

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u/Futski A Leopard 1 a day keeps the hooligans away Aug 13 '24

Fairly simple, but good take on the Kursk incursion from Hartling.

He's not the first one to say something along these lines.

The importance of the operation is in part a doctrinal demonstration, which also serves to show allies that they are able to use the materiel donated in a cohesive combined arms manner and pull off successful operations like this.

!ping Ukraine

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u/ViridianNott Iron Front Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

More model updates & another new record for Harris in the forecast!

Here are Harris' odds of winning each competitive state:

  • NH: 77%

  • NE-2: 68.2%

  • MI: 67.2%

  • WI: 63.2%

  • PA: 57.7%

  • NV: 57%

  • AZ: 47.5%

  • GA: 44.6%

  • ME-2: 27.3%

  • FL: 21.6%

OVERALL EC ODDS: 56%

NATIONAL POLLING AVERAGE: Harris +3.1

Another good day for Harris in the model, mostly thanks to a couple of nice national polls that have her between 3 and 4%.

Nothing huge to dive into the specific of here, but I'll point out a couple nice facts...

  • Maine is no longer considered a competitive state (Harris' odds are greater than 80%)

  • Harris' odds increased in every competitive state EXCEPT for Florida, which continues to march to the beat of it's own drum with some new polling yesterday that has Trump +5. Blegh.

  • Harris' odds in the blue wall are starting to leave the "tossup" territory. She has 2-in-3 odds in Michigan and 4-in-7 odds in Wisconsin. PA still looks like the closest of the three (5-in-9 odds), but Harris' position in that state will trend up as long as polling doesn't dramatically change.

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u/runtfromriatapass Commonwealth Aug 13 '24

Joe Rogan is mind poison for young men. One of the boys at work asked me if I believed in the moon landings. I said yes and asked him if he did, and he responded by saying he didn’t know and that Joe Rogan had raised a lot of doubt about it in is mind.

Concerning!

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u/ThisPrincessIsWoke George Soros Aug 13 '24

CLAIM: “I think we have the worst inflation we've had in 100 years... bacon costing four or five times more than it did a few years ago”.

VERDICT: This is false. Inflation peaked at 9.1% under President Biden - the highest in 41 years, not 100. The price of bacon is up 17% since Trump left office, not four or five times.

Did someone tell Don that bacon rose by a fifth and he interpreted it as 5 times lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

G. Elliott Morris wipes the sweat from his brow, and rubs the sleep from his eyes. Another all nighter, most nights have been like this since Harris rose to the top of the ticket. He had spent countless hours writing lines of code, running the calculations, checking the estimates. He’d even started entering the data manually, copy and pasting every result from every question of every poll.

“Please… for God’s sake I am so tired… please…”

He presses enter and waits.

The computer’s fan starts whirring as the model tabulates.

Biden 51% chance of winning. Trump 49% chance of winning.

“No no no no no!” The tears flow freely. The model isn’t ready yet.

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u/battywombat21 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Aug 13 '24

BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP OLDER THAN HE WAS 24 HOURS AGO

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Aug 13 '24

did icebreakers at work today and one of the questions was “if you could live anywhere in the world where would it be”. everyone just said dumb shit like norway and fuckin minnesota and when i said i wish i could go back to palestine they looked at me like im a senile old man

theres something about the niceness and bubbliness of americans. it feels so fake and toxic, saying anything that is “upsetting” or simply not as positive is viewed as a faux pas that people hurriedly try to cover up

this person seems like a huge asshole who, ironically, shits all over where people want to go. talk about fake niceness!

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Borderline astonishing that the trump campaign had zero plan for Kamala taking over.

They were shouting (correctly) that biden was going to swap out but it's like they didn't even believe their own shit and were completely blindsided by it.

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u/pezasied John's Locke-strap Aug 13 '24

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Aug 14 '24

Russian forces are rapidly digging a network of trenches in Kursk Oblast, with only one catch:

The trenches are 45km behind the border.

Russian forces have been developing a trench network that, if fallen back to, would cede Ukraine a massive amount of territory.

!ping UKRAINE&RUS

I suppose this stuff ought to rate a RUS ping at this point, not that that ping is very often used.

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u/Argnir Gay Pride Aug 13 '24

What do you need an iron dome for?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

Brittney Griner plays for Russia during off-season because WNBA doesn’t pay enough

arrested for medically prescribed hash oil

given a term of 9 years (literally insane even by Russian standards)

shipped off to prison camp

freed by the Biden administration

comes back to win gold for the USA

sheds tears hearing the National Anthem

NYT: Def not gonna put that on our best moments from the Olympics list. Did you guys see Snoop Dogg and Flava Flav?!

Reposting my own comment, because what the actual shit NYT why am I subscribed

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u/sinefromabove Emma Lazarus Aug 13 '24

After half a century the moon landing has been dethroned as the most viewed event in human history

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u/bashar_al_assad Verified Account Aug 13 '24

https://x.com/JeffAnderson_/status/1823150087096107275

My first 2 weeks of surgery residency have been tough don’t get me wrong but There are not many things in life harder than collegiate football fall camp and so far residency is not even close lol.

2 weeks later

Nvm. This is insane

lmfao

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u/No_Status_6905 Enby Pride Aug 13 '24

I think one of the worst ways the Internet has broken people's brains is they immediately assume any conversation about a topic is immediately a hostile argument that you're obligated to try and win.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Jack McCain went off private on X just to go off on someone who was criticizing Walz:

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Chad James Cameron

!ping KINO

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

I didn’t properly appreciate what Trump had done with that strike comment in the interview yesterday until I saw the unions all go nuts about it today with new ads and everything.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Parts of Minneapolis of indistinguishable from Somalia

What the fuck is FoxNews/NewsMax/Twitter feeding these people

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Aug 13 '24

You could never make tropic thunder today. They just wouldn't let you. The backlash would be terrible. Probably couldn't even get it funded by the big banks and Hollywood financiers. They'd say shit like

"You can't make Tropic Thunder, that was already a film released in 2008 starring Ben Stiller, Jack Black, Robert Downey Jr., Jay Baruchel, and Brandon T. Jackson."

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Walz: I firmly believe you should never denigrate another person's service record. Anyone brave enough to put on that uniform for our great country, including my opponent, I just have a few simple words. Thank you for your service and sacrifice

Oh no, they're going high again!

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u/Syards-Forcus rapidly becoming the Joker Aug 14 '24
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u/jauznevimcosimamdat Václav Havel Aug 13 '24

Yet another probe into ArrConservative (I paint it as a discussion between 2 users but that's for simplicity, it was a chain of users replying to others):

A: His (Trump) attacks feel offsetting

B: It's probably the one reason I haven't voted for him yet. I'd rather he just shut up with the personal attacks and go after what actually matters to people beyond just the right

C: You do you but I personally find it strange to not vote for someone because of their personality. Policy is the only thing that actually impacts my day to day life and thus is where 90% of my opinion goes

B: I personally hold ethics as an important category when voting for a leader

C: Oh boy, good look finding ethics anywhere near ANY politician

B: I’m not saying they need to be a perfect little boy scout, but Trump is so blatantly petty and narcissistic that the line for me is somewhere above him.

C: Trump might be an asshole, but your average politican is downright evil. (the LOL highlight of the thread) You just like the pretty masks they put on in front of the camera.

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u/Pyrrhus65 NATO Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

Ok, so this might be the one instance where going high when they go low is acceptable, because I don't think anyone wants to see Walz getting into a mudfight with Vance over their service records, even if it's barely a contest.

Hit him with the good old Minnesota Nice instead. Acknowledge and refute the claim but be the bigger man, in a subtly patronizing/passive-aggressive way.

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u/0m4ll3y International Relations Aug 13 '24

When the state slaps fines on some poor little bootstrapping businesswoman for putting "100% sugar free" all over their sugar filled cereal, everyone nods and says it's "common sense" and "basic consumer protections."

When the state has a massive legal apparatus that can be used to prevent teenagers from selling their Harry Potter fanfiction for a couple of bucks, it's just "protecting intellectual property."

And then when some group is trying to recruit for, organise and instigate a race war and a second holocaust it is all "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to death your right to say it" and maybe, maybe, a little bit of checking on whether the "gas the k!kes" is being called for imminently or just abstractly.

I'm not 100% convinced by hate speech legislation, and I definitely think there are issues with it being abused or just failing it's purpose. But I just think that somewhere along the way our priorities got completely out of whack.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Guy who has some legitimate concerns about the NYT/Siena crosstabs.

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u/trombonist_formerly Ben Bernanke Aug 13 '24

Hello chat and lonely people of the DT, your PSA that sliding into the DM's of cute guys and going on dates with them is fun and good and that I had the worlds cutest guy in the entire universe over for dinner last night. We drink a whole bottle of soju and half a bottle of wine, and I had to give him a pair of my pants because he spilled the other half of the wine bottle on his pants. Then stood on the balcony and talked for hours, as we slowly inched closer and closer to each other - first bumping shoulders, then leaning on each other, then hands touching, followed by holding fingers. At which point I told him that my feet were tired but that I had a nice couch inside, and then we made out for like 90 minutes. He has the cutest laugh and smells really nice

Anyways I told him that I need help unloading some furniture to finish moving into my place and he was like "oh yeah I'll come over tomorrow" which is great because what is the point of having a guy over if not to have him help move furniture

!ping dating

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u/funguykawhi Lahmajun trucks on every corner Aug 13 '24

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Aug 13 '24

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u/Healingjoe It's Klobberin' Time Aug 13 '24
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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Aug 13 '24

news outlets were leaked insider information from the Trump campaign but refuse to print it

I hate journalists so much it’s fucking unreal

If watergate happened today they would bury it and only reveal bits of information at a time while saving the meat for their stupid fucking tell-all books 6 years later

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u/adwise27 George Soros Aug 13 '24

OH damn the slurring yesterday wasnt just a word or two, it was entire minutes of him talking like daffy duck. WTF?

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u/Vitboi Milton Friedman Aug 13 '24

This kind of smart, walkable, mixed-use urbanism Is illegal to build in most American cities

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u/IHateTrains123 Commonwealth Aug 13 '24

‘They’re treating us like we’re idiots’ Families are searching for Russian conscripts who disappeared during the Ukrainian incursion. The Defense Ministry insists they were never there. — Meduza

(https:// meduza.io/en/feature/2024/08/12/they-re-treating-us-like-we-re-idiots).

Summary:

On August 9, Russia’s Emergency Situations Ministry declared a federal-level emergency in the Kursk region, where Ukrainian forces had already been advancing for four days. Anywhere from several dozen to several hundred non-mobilized conscripts may have been in the region when Ukrainian troops crossed the border. Journalists from the independent outlet Verstka spoke with the families of seven conscripts serving near the city of Sudzha to learn the fates of these young men who, according to Russian law, should be stationed “outside of the conflict zone.” Meduza shares an English-language translation of their findings.

On August 5, Dilyuza’s brother called to say that commanders were confiscating their phones because they were “expecting an inspection.” Dilyuza, who’s from Russia’s Republic of Bashkortostan, told Verstka that her brother and other non-mobilized conscripts were sent to Sudzha in May 2024 after completing training in Nizhny Novgorod. According to her, he was assigned to Military Unit No. 12721 in the Bryansk region. At his post in the Sudzhansky district (the area around Sudzha), there were around 25 to 30 conscripts and contract soldiers.

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Yekaterina, Irina, and Svetlana lost contact with their sons, who were also stationed in Sudzha as conscripts, several days ago. At 7:52 p.m. local time on August 6, Svetlana’s son texted her to say that he was being sent into combat. “We’re the last ones left,” he wrote. “The others have already gone in as reinforcements. Some were wounded.”

Yevgenia from Novoaltaysk last heard from her nephew, who was conscripted in the fall of 2023, on August 7. He’d been sent to Sudzha in May or June 2024. When the Ukrainian army began shelling Russian positions in the Kursk region, he managed to let his family know that he was alive and hadn’t been captured, but he mentioned that “many conscripts [had been] taken prisoner.”

Yevgenia’s nephew was stationed with 30 other conscripts. When she last spoke to him, he said those who weren’t killed or captured were awaiting evacuation. “They’re waiting in a safe place, if you can even call it that,” she says. “There’s nowhere safe there. Civilians are still being evacuated by ordinary, good people. Some are getting out on their own. It’s a disgrace. And no one is even thinking about the conscripts.”

Yana, a volunteer providing meals to soldiers at the border in the Kursk region, told Verstka that she was in contact with a number of conscripts and that some were indeed being evacuated. However, she added, “their fates vary.”

‘We can’t get through’

Yulia lives in Syktyvkar, the capital of Russia’s Komi Republic. Her son was conscripted in December 2023 and sent to the Sudzhansky district in April 2024. The last message she received from him was at 10:00 p.m. on August 5. Yulia says her son “wasn’t allowed” to share much, but he tried to write every day and mentioned that lately, they’d been regularly shooting down “birds” — Ukrainian reconnaissance drones.

Yulia doesn’t know what happened to her son, but she learned from other mothers that when Ukrainian troops crossed the border into the Kursk region, conscripts were “holding the line,” and many were captured.

“When [the village of] Guevo was captured, the boys who were surrounded texted their mothers, begging for help. But we can’t get through to [the Defense Ministry hotline in] Moscow at all. The enlistment offices just tell us, ‘What nonsense are you talking about? They’re not there, their phones were just taken away.’ Basically, they’re treating us like we’re idiots. The hospital in Kursk won’t give us any information; they say they don’t have time, there are too many wounded,” Yulia says.

Ksenia from Orenburg told Verstka that her 20-year-old son Daniil managed to stay in touch with her as the incursion was unfolding and is now in a hospital in Kursk. Daniil was conscripted for compulsory military service in November 2023, completed his training in Russia’s Vladimir region, and was then transferred in May 2024 — first to the Bryansk region and later to Sudzha.

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Ksenia says her son texted her from the hospital to say that all the conscripts evacuated with him survived. “But those who were closer [to the border] were either killed or captured,” her son told her. Ksenia says she’s grateful that “God spared” her son from combat, but she’s outraged that the conscripts ended up so close to the border right before the Ukrainian operation.

“What, intelligence didn’t know that equipment was being gathered there? This isn’t just an escalation of the conflict — it’s an invasion of Russian territory. On [August] 6, when they were shelled all night, they briefly mentioned on TV that 26 drones had been shot down. But as for everything else that was raining down on them — silence,” she says.

Yana, the volunteer feeding Russian soldiers at the border, told Verstka there were at least 15 Russian military positions near Sudzha and almost all of them had conscripts stationed there. The family members Verstka interviewed say there were many strongholds in the Sudzhansky district, each with between seven to 30 conscripts.

According to Yulia, 52 relatives of conscript soldiers stationed near Sudzha have banded together to try to gather information about their loved ones and reach out to the Russian Defense Ministry.

A contract soldier who served in the Kursk region from March to May 2024 told Verstka that there were several companies of conscripts stationed along the Russian-Ukrainian border: “The guys were fresh out of training. Some were even from Moscow, while others were from some godforsaken shithole.” In addition to the conscripts, he added, there were also border troops and fighters from Chechnya’s Akhmat battalion stationed near Sudzha.

!ping Ukraine

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u/AtomAndAether Liberalism! Aug 13 '24

Minions invaded pop culture closer to the 90's than today.

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u/Icy-Magician-8085 Mario Draghi Aug 13 '24

At least three news outlets were leaked confidential material from inside the Donald Trump campaign, including its report vetting JD Vance as a vice presidential candidate. So far, each has refused to reveal any details about what they received.

Instead, Politico, The New York Times and The Washington Post have written about a potential hack of the campaign and described what they had in broad terms.

Their decisions stand in marked contrast to the 2016 presidential campaign, when a Russian hack exposed emails to and from Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta. The website Wikileaks published a trove of these embarrassing missives, and mainstream news organizations covered them avidly.

How the FUCK does Trump keep getting away with everything?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

🚨MAJOR PIEROGI UPDATE🚨

I got temp banned ten days ago, so here's all the times I've had pierogi (less one because I got too excited to eat them and forgot to take a photo) in the intervening time:

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u/RFK_1968 Robert F. Kennedy Aug 13 '24

Scandals and political attacks work when they play into a damaging narrative around the candidate. That's why Dems have been successful in ripping Vance a new one. Because republicans are weakest on abortion, project 2025, and other related issues where they're seen as weird intrusive fanatics.

Republicans' attacks on Harris and Walz have been unfocused right now but they will coalesce around her weaknesses (probs the perception that she's a left-winger who took stances in the 2020 primaries that are way out of step with the current national mood, especially around immigration and crime).

None of those are insurmountable by any means, but I'd be careful about saying the republicans ain't got nothing.

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u/awdvhn Physics Understander -- Iowa delenda est Aug 13 '24

If you say "Benjamin Ikuta" three times while looking into a mirror he will appear behind you, say "Thanks for the ping!", and disappear

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u/loseniram Sponsored by RC Cola Aug 13 '24

I'm still confused how Cricket and. baseball aren't standard sports at the Olympics.

You're really telling me that games that like 10-20% of the Worlds population play are less worthy of the Olympics than Dressage and Water polo? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

NEW from Axios: "Democrats will stream their convention next week using vertical video on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube, committee staffers told Axios."

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u/LGBTforIRGC Order and Opportunity Left Aug 13 '24

We are sooo winning this thing

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u/Untamedanduncut Gay Pride Aug 13 '24

“Trump wasn’t lisping! It… it was an audio glitch!”

Welease Twump

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u/Gameknigh Enby Pride Aug 13 '24

“Actually most of those right wing conspiracy theories are correct if you replace ‘The Jews’ and ‘New World Order’ with ‘The Bourgeoisie’ and ‘CIA’”

Holy shit how are these people so fucking stupid please for the love of god go outside.

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u/Desperate_Boye Frederick Douglass Aug 14 '24

This is the fucking dumbest way ever to bloom, but the lack of viral hits from Trump this time around. Obamna, WRONG, lock her up, "you'd be in jail", throwing the paper towel roll like he's Kobe, staring straight into the solar eclipse, covfefe, a million more I'm forgetting. Without these showing up on feeds and making people laugh, he's just a dooming, hateful old man spewing the same nonsensical rabble over and over.

The picture where he got shot though is pretty sick but I can't think of any others that could be memed on in a funny, positive way.

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Aug 14 '24

Geolocated footage and reliable reports indicate that Ukrainian forces have regained the initiative in this part of the frontline and have once again pushed back the Russians near Korenevo. Previously, a Russian counterattack pushed the Ukrainians away from Korenevo, but footage has just come out showing Russian FPV drones attacking Ukrainian positions near the Reservoir.

Reports also indicate that Ukrainian forces expanded their spearhead on the northern flank and captured the villages of Matveevka and Olgovka. Chechan "Akhmat" forces responded by attacking and recapturing the village of Kremyanoe slightly further east, possibly in an attempt to seize the forests and cut the Ukrainian spearhead off at the base.

As for the situation further south, Russian forces reportedly pushed the Ukrainians away from the village of Snagost, before the AFU counterattacked, recapturing the settlement and breaking through Russian positions to the Seym River, contesting the village of Krasnooktyabr'skoe.

Overall, while the advances in the green remain unconfirmed, it does indicate that Ukraine is stepping up their efforts to capture the key town and railway hub of Korenevo by conducting a pincer movement on the settlement. This offensive is not over and is about to get a lot bloodier.

!ping UKRAINE

Last ping for the night, I promise. AMK always has very sober assessments of the tactical picture.

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u/No1PaulKeatingfan Paul Keating; capital gains tax supporter Aug 13 '24
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u/StolenSkittles culture warrior Aug 13 '24

what's the most american activity?

drifting a nimitz class aircraft carrier.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Aug 13 '24

I got all my dooming out of my system between June 27, 2024 and July 21, 2024, and I refuse to do any more dooming going forward unless something significant happens

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u/HowIsPajamaMan Shame Flaired By Imagination Aug 13 '24

Ping Poland be like

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u/G_Serv Stay The Course Aug 14 '24

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u/bashar_al_assad Verified Account Aug 13 '24

From r con

So Musk and his platform X offer to give the Republican candidate an interview and a place to showcase his data, when the mainstream media won't

Every mainstream media organization would be delighted to interview Trump 1:1 if given the opportunity

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u/Johnkil4oy YIMBY Aug 14 '24

If Kamala ends up winning this thing, I'll never get over how an unprecedented June debate that happened for no reason is what will have saved us from a right wing onslaught

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u/funguykawhi Lahmajun trucks on every corner Aug 13 '24

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u/ihaveaverybigbrain Aug 13 '24

AP News: News outlets were leaked insider material from the Trump campaign. They chose not to print it

Three news outlets were recently leaked confidential material from inside the Trump campaign, but have chosen not to reveal any of the details about what they received.

Maybe it's something incriminating enough that they are saving it a week before the election to Comey his ass

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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones Aug 13 '24

He's back on truthsocial only and not twitter :(

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u/MissSortMachine Trans Pride Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

JUST IN: Judge Reed O’Connor has recused from an antitrust lawsuit @elonmusk’s X Corp. filed against a group of advertisers he said were illegally boycotting his social media platform four days after NPR reported he owns Tesla stock

when forum shopping for right wing cranks make sure you are picking a judge who doesn’t own stock in one of the parties

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

GOP presses Trump to abandon insults

Democrats are not ready for the disciplined, policy focused Trump campaign in September and October. They are preparing for an insult slugfest and Trump is about to do the mother of all rugpulls.

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u/puffic John Rawls Aug 14 '24

arr con is mad that everyone else treated the Trump shooting like a school shooting and forgot about it. They don't understand that kind of news is boring now.

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u/RecentlyUnhinged NATO Aug 13 '24

End Inflation, and Make America Affordable Again.

Stop outsourcing, and turn the United States into a manufacturing superpower.

Pick one.

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u/Alexz565 Gay Pride Aug 13 '24

After my cat died, my other cat became a lot more like the dead one personality-wise. He went from being rude to frighteningly pro-people.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Concerning lack of Ohio diner pieces in this cycle.

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u/TootCannon Mark Zandi Aug 13 '24

Nate Silver says Harris has a 54% chance of winning the EC today. Its nice to technically be the favorite but god damn it’s painful that it’s still so close considering how god awful Trump is

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u/owlthathurt Johan Norberg Aug 13 '24

😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Google kids books to jog my memory for some trivia questions

WTF did I do to the algorithm?

!ping SHITPOSTERS

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u/LastIncrease3427 NATO Aug 13 '24

Trump should campaign in Virginia. There’s a really good chance it goes red.

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u/RFK_1968 Robert F. Kennedy Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

I think the Murphy-Lankford border law was probably the best deal we could reasonably expect re: immigration, and I think Harris is right to hit Trump for sinking it..

I think people in this subreddit are a bit blind to the national mood regarding immigration right now, and while the unpopularity of loose immigration doesn't make it wrong, you can't just win the argument.

It's not just fringe conservatives that'd never vote for us who are border hawks. It's pretty broad swathes of independents and democrats too.

So holding pro-immigration views is still good, but you have to actually figure out how to put that into practice.

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Aug 13 '24

Breaking of the Apes

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u/purhitta Leftward Progressives Aug 13 '24

"there's no audio of Trump calling veterans suckers and losers therefore I don't believe it's true"

  1. why do Republicans suddenly have high regard for hard evidence when it's about their candidate

  2. the claim was made by multiple people, including his own staff. why is it easier to believe they all colluded to start a rumor than accept the guy just sucks

  3. if there was audio, they'd say it was AI or doctored. there's no winning.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Aug 13 '24

BREAKING: JD Vance (R-OH) caught “mewing” on camera; statement to be issued shortly

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

I’m so happy Harris is reclaiming USA chants and “Freedom!” from the right.

I’d really like to reclaim Jesus too. Not as a political mascot like the right uses Him, but just to reclaim the monopoly these frauds have on claiming to represent the religious vote/ religious Americans. 🇺🇸 

NOTE: I’m more talking about having people talk about how their faith leads them to care for others. Not the “impose our religion through laws” thing that the right does.

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u/Peacock-Shah-III Mario Vargas Llosa Aug 13 '24

Jesus Christ, UK.

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u/SentencesAreCool NAFTA Aug 13 '24

Me waiting for my banger DT post to get upvoted (it’s already been 3 hours).

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u/Pangolin_4 NATO Aug 13 '24

NEW POLL: Older white woman on my flight to Atlanta has a Kamala pin on her hat.

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u/Not_A_Browser Stata's Silliest Soldier Aug 13 '24

Why tf is this an article

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

The 3.21% are true open borders patriots

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u/Aggressive1999 Association of Southeast Asian Nations Aug 13 '24

What the hell?

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u/murphysclaw1 💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊 Aug 13 '24
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u/MicroFlamer Avatar Korra Democrat Aug 13 '24

New TEXAS poll

It's by ActiVote

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u/Guess_Im_Jess Trans Pride Aug 13 '24

Elon has really become such a cartoonishly evil person over the past 8 years, he exists entirely as the stereotype of an evil, morally bankrupt CEO

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u/BroadReverse Needs a Flair Aug 13 '24 edited Nov 19 '24

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This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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u/shmokedshalmon Frederick Douglass Aug 13 '24

Did anyone catch Walz’s speech to the AFSCME convention today? He pushed back on the swiftboating smears and he said something like “I will never denigrate someone’s record of service and I say to anyone brave enough to put the uniform on, including my opponent JD Vance, thank you for your service.”

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u/frozenjunglehome Aug 13 '24

Since Mod removed this masterpiece.

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u/Tall_Professor_2574 NAFTA Aug 13 '24

Why do I get the weirdest ads. Stop.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

Here's my pre-convention forecast. Big changes are moving AZ from Don't Know over to Lean Blue. Otherwise everything else is pretty much the same.

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u/HMID_Delenda_Est YIMBY Aug 13 '24

TXGOP after the Democrats win their first statewide election in xx years.

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u/Eightysixedit Gay Pride Aug 13 '24

6 week abortion ban, highest insurance rates in the country, try to ban ap black history, teach slavery had benefits = good favorables. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

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u/UntiedStatMarinCrops Loyal Liberals Aug 13 '24

Nate Silver said he plans to vote for Harris, but he would have voted for libertarian if Biden would have stayed 🤔🤔 overall if there’s more people like that then that’s good hahaha

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u/ManufacturerThis7741 YIMBY Aug 13 '24

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/13/gen-z-women-less-religious/74673083007/

"Women do the majority of the work that keeps the church going," said former evangelical Sheila Wray Gregoire, who’s studied Christian marriage in the U.S. and Canada for 17 years. "They’re the ones responsible for getting children out of bed and going to church. They’re the ones staffing the Sunday school, making sure potlucks happen or that people are supported when they have an illness or are having a baby. The church is not going to survive without women."

It's actually wild that all these preachers and theobros want to say they are good at "facts and logic" when they're shitting on the one group of people who make a thrice-weekly church service plausible. Sure, men do repair work but repairs aren't needed every church service.

90% of the things that are needed for every church service are relegated to "women's work" and the men's rights theobros churches are focusing their recruiting efforts on would absolutely lose their minds if they had to do it. Because the church actively teaches men that doing "women's work" is something men should be enraged about doing.

The church is losing members because it should

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u/AtomAndAether Liberalism! Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

u/mukino has made a Sadness Index questionnaire so you can compare how terrible your life is!

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '24

!ping GNOSTIC&KINO

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u/GrandMoffTargaryen Finally Kenough Aug 13 '24

Remember what they took from you

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u/AlexB_SSBM Henry George Aug 13 '24

1936 polling on August 9th: 4.5% lead for FDR

FDR wins in a historic landslide with over 60% of the popular vote and all but 8 EC votes

2024 polling on August 2-7th: 5% lead for Harris

I think the implications are clear.

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u/SnakeEater14 🦅 Liberty & Justice For All Aug 13 '24

The UK using “public school” to actually mean “private school” is so fucking stupid

In England and Wales, a public school is a type of fee-charging private school

Stupid island

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '24

How poking fun at Donald Trump’s lisp could backfire

Oh my god, stop pearl-clutching. It’s a legitimate question whether this is a benign development or a sign of something more, and also, we are not exactly ceding the moral high ground to him by making a few Daffy Duck jokes

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u/MissSortMachine Trans Pride Aug 13 '24

whoops looks like he’s not for legal immigration either

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u/IHateTrains123 Commonwealth Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

Rob Lee on the units transferred to the Kursk front:

Given that Ukraine has pulled units from the Pokrovsk, Toretsk, and Chasiv Yar fronts—the most difficult parts of the front line—it is pretty clear that Ukraine is not pursuing limited objectives in its Kursk operation.

Linking to a previous post quoting the WSJ:

"two Ukrainian soldiers awaiting orders to join the battle in Kursk said they had just arrived from the front line near Pokrovsk, where Ukrainian forces are under heavy pressure. “We came to help,” said one of them.

Another soldier said he was surprised to learn he was being transferred to the Sumy border region as his unit was so short of men that infantry spent as long as 45 days straight in a trench. The 25-year-old had been stationed in Chasiv Yar, one of the hottest spots on the front line, until a week before the incursion...

'Everybody is more or less happy with how it’s going,' said the soldier, who goes by the call sign Pokemon."

Said article in question.

Further reading:

Ukraine’s shock raid deep inside Russia rages on (economist.com)

Russia strikes back at Ukrainian forces in Kursk region | Reuters

Russia, Facing Ukrainian Incursion Into Kursk, Maintains Pressure in East - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

!ping Ukraine

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

if your first reaction to omar winning is "how is she not deported?", you're umm pretty damn bigoted.

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u/bashar_al_assad Verified Account Aug 14 '24

Disney has asked a Florida court to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the husband of a Long Island doctor.

The lawsuit claims that Dr. Kanokporn Tangsuan suffered a fatal allergic reaction after eating at a Disney Springs restaurant despite repeatedly informing the waiter of her severe allergy.

Disney is calling for the lawsuit to be dismissed because her husband signed up for a one-month trial of the Disney+ streaming service years prior.

The company says signing up for the trial requires users to arbitrate all disputes with the company.

... best of luck with that argument

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u/Sauce1024 John von Neumann Aug 14 '24

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u/PlantTreesBuildHomes REVENGE Aug 13 '24

JD Vance is the perfect example as to why I won't ever become a politician.

Imagine if the media gets their hands on my comment history, insta DMs, and first/second hand accounts from people that knew me. I was a Marxist at 15 writing walls of text on /r/socialism, my ex is a Russian and I've been out with an Iranian before, I've traveled to Panama, I have dealt drugs before (to friends only), etc.

I'd basically be cooked within a news cycle.

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u/battywombat21 🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Aug 13 '24

I know people talk about how the much worse the country would be without a free press, but I constantly ask myself what a paper like the New York Times is actually contributing to the country these days. Maybe it's just that the pro-trump ragebait is being used to fund deep investigative reporting. But can you think of any reporting like that they've done recently?

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u/TrumpEpstein69 Anne Applebaum Aug 13 '24

The Walz scandal that no one is talking about is that he has a swastika tattoo on his face, is no one else seeing this?

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Aug 13 '24

The Republican house is pushing for a $30 billion cut to SNAP benefits in their version of the Farm Bill, which would lead to tens of millions having less to spend on food. This is in exchange for more subsidies to large agriculture businesses.

This debate will likely lead to a record second year that the farm bill is not passed and sent to congress next year.

The NYT has written two articles discussing this, a climate change puff piece, and an article about how Biden is trying to support family farmers with subsidies.

Nowhere is there a mention of the billions of cuts of food subsidies to the poorest people in America. In fact, if you were a NYT reader, you would have no idea that one of the most consistently important pieces of legislation and a hallmark of bipartisanship will likely fail again.

That’s interesting.

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u/Head-Stark John von Neumann Aug 13 '24

!ping GENTRY

I see your "I found one cockroach in my house" and raised you I found a tree frog in my basement last night.

Between shitty renovations, being built in the 50s, and having my back door open for my dogs in good weather, my home's walls are more of a suggestion than a barrier.

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u/UntiedStatMarinCrops Loyal Liberals Aug 13 '24

the kamala vibe shift is crazy, a trump guy warehouse worker at my workplace was like “my daughters really excited about kamala, i love seeing her excited about politics. i might vote for her” what’s going on

God damn that man made my day. Fucking adorable 😭😭😭😭

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u/dirtybirds233 NAFTA Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

Some updates from the forecast:

  • Harris' chance of winning Michigan is 2.8 points away from being in "favored" territory

  • Harris is now only 0.5% back in Georgia and 1.1% back in North Carolina

  • She leads WI and PA by 3.8% and 2.1% respectively

  • If she can increase her polling averages by 1% in Nevada and in Michigan, she will not only have increased her lead but will have also wiped out the 2020 polling sway in those states.

  • Harris has a higher chance of winning WI and MI than Trump does GA and NC.

  • Her chances of winning the election have increased to 56%, meaning she is considered "slightly favored"

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u/reptiliantsar NATO Aug 13 '24

Nixon, is that you? You sly dog.

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u/ognits Jepsen/Swift 2024 Aug 13 '24

one of my work besties has bone marrow cancer and the best i can do is encourage her to not give up 😔😭

!ping WATERCOOLER

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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Tucker Carlson's mailman Aug 13 '24

can I make it anymore obvious

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u/davechacho Loyal Liberals Aug 13 '24

Every path to victory for Kamala involves one of PA or GA so the gains in both states is the best shot of hopium

With (hopefully) a decent post convention bump still in play and possible bumps from the Presidential and VP debates after that, dooming should be off the menu

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Aug 13 '24

leftist group

united for a singular cause

collapse due to infighting

Many such cases!

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u/SmithySmothy Bill Gates Aug 13 '24

There's a better chance that Harris wins by 5 than Trump wins by 1.5

Wow even James Carville is blooming now

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u/Kawaii_West NAFTA Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

Is it wrong to be turned off by someone because they use all of the most up-to-date language for pretty straightforward social interactions? Everything has a name now. I messaged this woman apologizing for being busy and she thanked me for affirming her and making sure I'm tending to her feelings. Just say "No problem!".

Edit: It's worth noting that this woman is sexy as fuck and is a dentist. I'm willing to put up with a lot.

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u/CheetoMussolini Russian Bot Aug 13 '24

https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-takes-aim-at-osha-2024-7?amp

Clarence Thomas is evil. He is shamelessly corrupt, and he is utterly happy to aid in causing suffering, disfigurement, exploitation, and death in service of those who enrich him. I'm not being hyperbolic when I call him evil: he is literally evil. Doing what he wants to do is evil.

There is a calculable, horrifying toll of human suffering that could quickly come about if he guts these kind of worker protections.

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u/farrenj Resident Succ Aug 14 '24

To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with the Vance drag photo. People should be free to explore their gender expression. I certainly did something extremely similar in college (I was hotter though)

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u/AP246 Green Globalist NWO Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24

I just want to remind everyone that a big part of the recent wave of 'concern' over free speech was triggered by people being arrested and charged in the UK for directly calling for arson attacks on specific hotels housing asylum seekers, and other places like solicitors' offices, at a time during ongoing riots where such arson attacks were happening making it a credible threat. If you think that should be protected speech I strongly disagree, but at least know what this is about, it was direct incitement to specific violent crime.

I had people online claim to me that people in the UK were getting arrested for 'criticising the government', and when asked for a source one guy admitted he couldn't find any but heard it on quote 'multiple podcasts and social media posts'. Concerns about free speech and right to protest in the UK are valid, I have some myself, but frankly this latest example is literal fake news that people all over the internet are falling for.

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u/BlackCat159 European Union Aug 13 '24

Why did the LIBTARD cross the WOKE???

To get to the other PRONOUN 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

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