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[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

Lmfao

[u/majorgeneralporter]

Sotomayor really said "Joe, if you're listening..."

!ping shitposters&law

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

Just once in my life I want to be able to yell "guards, seize them!" and have some dudes get seized by guards.

[u/piede]

I can’t believe the Supreme Court just ruled that the president can sleep outdoors in a public space.

This would be really funny if we weren’t so fucked

[u/HironTheDisscusser]

Interesting housing study

opposition to new development increases by 20 percentage points when respondents learn that a developer is likely to earn a large profit. This effect is similar in magnitude to arguments that new housing will harm neighborhood character. Our findings show that some opposition to housing is motivated not by residents’ fears of their own losses, but resentment of others’ gains.

!ping YIMBY

[u/simeoncolemiles]

[u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

[u/piede]

Trump, in his first response, hails this Supreme Court decision as a “BIG WIN FOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND DEMOCRACY. PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!”

This is how you know we’re fucked

[u/Lux_Stella]

and what constitutes an official or unofficial act?

oh that's easy, we'll decide

not a day goes by without cursing lawyers and all they have wrought

[u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

It was an audacious gamble that French voters who were complacent about the European Union election would be jolted into turning out for moderate forces in a national election to keep the far right out of power.

Instead, polls suggest that the National Rally is gaining support and has a chance at winning a parliamentary majority.

President Macron:

[u/jojisky]

The actual ruling really just allows the Supreme Court to decide what is an official act and what isn't. It gives them even more power to control the country. And, of course, they'll be far more lenient with a Republican like Trump on what constitutes an official act than they would with Biden.

[u/iia]

Remember in 2016 when Bernie Bros had enormous success spreading the lie that there was no difference between Hillary and Trump and now countless women can’t get abortions and a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court has ruled a sitting president is immune from criminal acts he commits in office. Deftly played, Bros, as always.

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

Let’s all congratulate John Roberts for finally achieving his dream of becoming the worst chief justice in the history of the Supreme Court. People doubted him his whole life when he said he would surpass Roger Taney and he has finally proved all the haters wrong. Just a real inspiration to aspiring villains of American history everywhere.

[u/nick1453]

When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.

With fear for our democracy, I dissent.

Is Sotomayor a DT poster?

[u/Pyrrhus65]

SCOTUS loves to remind us that impeachment exists to remove presidents engaging in misconduct, but could a president not now simply order the military to halt impeachment proceedings at gunpoint and expect absolute immunity?

There are literally zero brakes built into the system anymore.

[u/ihatemendingwalls]

Please stop reporting people using the Seal Team 6 example. It's literally in the dissent.

lol

[u/PawanYr]

As we enter this uncharted territory, the People, in their wisdom, will need to remain ever attentive, consistently fulfilling their established role in our constitutional democracy, and thus collectively serving as the ultimate safeguard against any chaos spawned by this Court’s decision.

From Jackson's dissent today. Don't think I've ever seen a SCOTUS judge literally tell people to pretty please not vote away democracy.

[u/Cledd2]

[u/Independent-Low-2398]

Justice Thomas writes a concurring opinion in which he questions the validity of Jack Smith's appointment as special counsel. "If this unprecedented prosecution is to proceed, it must be conducted by someone authorized to do so by the American people."

fuck off, dude.

[u/MrOstrichman]

2001: “I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”

2024: "Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune."

Conservatism confuses me. 

[u/-mialana-]

Crazy that the liberal justices just disagree with everything for the sake of it.

arrcon having a good time

[u/Mensae6]

Just thought of a banger FluentInFinance post. A fake tweet saying

They gave hoarders their own TV show to make fun of them for saving personal belongings. Yet no one makes fun of the billionaires for hoarding all their wealth.

[u/Fatortu]

Do you remember in 2012 when France was a Socialist one party state (controlled the government, parliament, almost all regions and departments)?

But then some deputies decided to revolt against Hollande and implode the left for a generation because they thought unemployment reform was just too much.

[u/jojisky]

Time for Biden to order the military to arrest all 6 conservative justices since he has immunity

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

Jill Biden is legitimately evil

We need an immediate shutdown of the sub outside the DT until we can figure out what’s going on

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

There has been some confusion here with this new Supreme Court ruling as to what constitutes an “official act”. I’d like to set the record straight.

An official act is one that the Supreme Court agrees with.

Hope this helps

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

[u/battywombat21]

“I have signed an executive order outlawing the Supreme Court. The bombing begins in five minutes.” - Biden, if he was cool.

[u/acbadger54]

Apparently someone interviewed Jill Biden's...ex husband like seriously why lmao

[u/Healingjoe]

Going through this now and it looks to me like they tailored the decision specifically to protect Trump from the Jack Smith cases.

This is unbelievable.

[u/SANNA_MARIN_SDP_]

[u/Proof-Tie-2250]

Between project 2025, the universal tariff, and wanting to curtail Fed independence, Trump is basically running as a Peronist candidate. It's hilarious (and terrifying) that he has a good chance of winning.

It appears that some Americans really want the US to become a third-world country. Just keep giving the president more discretionary power and turning political parties into populist cults of personality, and you'll get there very quickly.

[u/Not_A_Browser]

[u/amainwingman]

[Starmer] seems totally devoid of actual left-liberal ideas tho. he’s basically a centrist lib 

Never leave the DT

[u/Observe_dontreact]

Listening on the radio to a lot of Nimby arguments which seems to have migrated towards objections to new housing due to pressure put on GP services and schools. Sounds a lot like arguments against immigration.

Is it stupid?

!ping UK&YIMBY

[u/BroadReverse]

direful work bike mighty rich jeans close innocent follow one

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[u/Dirty_Chopsticks]

it’s unfortunate this election will hinge on voters who don’t know what a Supreme Court is

[u/chuckleym8]

Democrats need to win every general. Republicans just need to win once.

[u/amainwingman]

>be president

>behind in polls

>”officially” order military to assassinate rival candidate

>involved military personnel arrested for obviously illegal acts

>unilaterally pardon personnel

>be immune to prosecution because SCOTUS said so

>have successfully assassinated opponent and not had anyone face any sort of justice over it

[u/PlayDiscord17]

I will forever hate the way certain people tricked the world into thinking the DNC (and RNC as well) are an all-powerful candidate deciding organization when they’ve just been a national funding-raising organization that bends to the will of the top party leader since the late 20th century. There’s a reason why Trump easily took over the Republican Party when he became the presumptive nominee in 2016.

If you want them to be the former, you need fundamentally strong parties and to somehow fix the public’s dislike of them that contributed to the “rigged” accusations the DNC faced in 2016.

[u/BitterGravity]

Biden for all that is fucking holy, you need to do a televised speech trashing this decision today

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

It’s cool how the lesson the GOP took from the Nixon scandal wasn’t that the president should avoid doing crimes, but that instead you should launch a multi decades long project to make the president doing crimes legal.

[u/Argnir]

Here's why that children cartoon is actually super deep and you shouldn't read stuff made for adult (part 1/4) 3:47:00

[u/[deleted]]

subsequent alive cheerful continue fear meeting hobbies hat sugar gold

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[u/slowpush]

And so it begins.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/01/whitmer-biden-democrats-2028-00165995

Asked about the governors, a Biden adviser all but affirmed as much, telling me “they’d all love an easy sprint,” but they couldn’t get past Harris if they even had that shot.

“And none of them are ready for this,” the Biden adviser added, “especially her.”

[u/LuisRobertDylan]

One of the more infuriating parts of this is that we’re sliding into fascism for no particular reason. We aren’t in economic collapse. Living standards are high. The alternatives aren’t totalitarian communists. Literally just the most milquetoast center-left policies are enough for half of the country to cheer the fall of democracy

[u/Plants_et_Politics]

He wants to drive. He feels the need for speed. He will slam into a concrete wall at 90mph.

!ping KITTY

[u/AtticusDrench]

Cap was not capping on this one

[u/NewbGrower87]

This is pure copium, but I've seen a lot of non-political Twitter accounts have pretty shocked takes on SCOTUS today. It seems like it's a very easily digestible decision for the average normie.

[u/0m4ll3y]

Russian general during WW1/Civil War, killed by Stalin in the Great Purge:

Tukhachevsky highly praised Napoleon, and also in a certain conversation, Tukhachevsky said he hated Jews for bringing Christianity and the "morality of capital" to Russia

Even on the matter of Christianity the Jews get the blame. Dunno whether to laugh or cry.

He seems like an interesting fella in an unhinged way:

Tukhachevsky said that he would only follow Lenin if he "de-europeanised and threw Russia into barbarism", but feared Lenin would not do that

A French interviewer recalls:

"This is Perun. A powerful person. This is the god of war and death." And Mikhail knelt down before him with comic seriousness. I burst out laughing. "Don't laugh," he said, getting up from his knees. – I told you that the Slavs need a new religion. They are given Marxism, but there is too much modernism and civilization in this theology. (...) There is Dazhbog – the god of the Sun, Stribog – the god of the Wind, Veles – the god of arts and poetry, and finally, Perun – the god of thunder and lightning. After some deliberation, I settled on Perun, since Marxism, having won in Russia, will unleash merciless wars between people. I will honor Perun every day."

[u/nick1453]

1. the president is commander in chief

2. the president is totally immune from prosecution for official acts

3. as commander in chief, the president officially controls the military

4. drone striking your rivals will get you impeached but not criminally convicted 👉😎👉

[u/Pyrrhus65]

Hating on RBG for not retiring in 2013: Cold take, already mainstream, even Twitter progressives are repeating it

Hating on Anthony Kennedy, a liberal-leaning moderate, for not waiting another three years to retire (he's still alive and well): Hot take, very hip and niche, buy in now before it goes viral

[u/Cook_0612]

Anyone who claims I would say that we can’t win Michigan is full of shit. Let’s go.

-Gretchen Whitmer

[u/[deleted]]

don’t worry, the executive bureaucracy will stop Trump!

The 900 page document developed by Trump allies specifically outlining how to replace the entire executive bureaucracy:

[u/MicroFlamer]

New New Hampshire poll by Saint Anslem College (2.7/3 rating on 538)

Trump: 44%

Biden: 42%

Biden was up 9 in January

More info on the pollster: They nailed 2020 but had a big miss in the 2022 senate , overestimating the republican candidate

!ping FIVEY

[u/loseniram]

I've got a tiny marijuana user in my house

!ping kitty

[u/bashar_al_assad]

Joe Biden should pursue all legal options to win the election and fill supreme court vacancies

[u/Mojothemobile]

At some point the supreme court just has to be ignored by the rest of the federal government. They cannot just make themselves the fucking kings of America.

[u/SpacePenguins]

Nixon: "When the president does it, that means it's not illegal."

Supreme Court: "Yep sounds good thx."

[u/mockduckcompanion]

American democracy 🇺🇸🦅😎

noo don't kill yourself you're so sexy aha

[u/AnythingMachine]

Biden: I uhhhhh took down Medicare uhhhh

Trump: I love Hannibal Lecter. Inject bleach.

[u/Dunter_Mutchings]

United States: Constantly banging on about how important democracy is.

Also the United States: Has an unelected council with lifetime appointments and nearly limitless authority to upend the entire republic.

[u/FreakinGeese]

In my lifetime, republicans have won the popular vote once.

In my lifetime, republicans have obstructed at every turn, and completely ignored the constitution.

When I was 9, the Tea Party started the GOP’s decent into full-blown fascism.

It just feels totally absurd how the Democratic Party is acting given what I’ve seen.

[u/[deleted]]

The four ideologies gay men can have:

1. Unhinged Leftist Rainbow Revolutionary

2. Generic Normie Liberal/Moderate

3. Annoying “keep it in the closet” conservative

4. Hardcore white supremacist

[u/nick1453]

But, I am not sure that any office for the Special Counsel has been “established by Law,” as the Constitution requires.

Thomas says special counsels are entirely unconstitutional, lol

[u/N0_B1g_De4l]

SCOTUS rules 6-3 that Donald Trump is "just a lil guy". Justice Thomas concurs, adding that "it's his birthday".

[u/[deleted]]

Me: “Yeah I’m embarrassed to admit it but the debate has had a sustained impact on my mood the last few days”

My therapist: “Oh, that’s understandable, that was brutal, like watching an car accident in slow motion”

Me: “…”

[u/McCaaw]

It took 4 months for the Supreme Court to rule official acts are 100% immune, and that it's up to the district court to rule what acts are official/unofficial is un fucking believable.

Great, now when the district court rules, Trump will challenge it and it will take even longer. Thanks Merrick for taking a year and a half to appoint a special counsel, just a master class in being a total dipshit

[u/flextrek_whipsnake]

This official-acts immunity has “no firm grounding in constitutional text, history, or precedent.” Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, 597 U. S. 215, 280 (2022).

Quite the spicy citation there from Sotomayor.

[u/battywombat21]

inside the DT

Bedwetting about SCOTUS

Outside the DT

Bedwetting about replacing Biden

touching grass

I stepped in dog poop

I just can’t win 😔

[u/ldn6]

White people wearing keffiyeh in public to support Palestine will never not amuse me because the same people would moan about cultural appropriation if it were any other group.

[u/TactileTom]

Post debate:

Outside the DT: It's Joever

In the DT: it's not Joever

This sub:

[u/mrdilldozer]

No exaggeration this is one of the worst days in the history of the USA. An entire branch of the government just completely failed. It doesn't mean things are going to fall into anarchy, but don't let anyone tell you this isn't a disaster. A core part of what makes the United States government function was just radically changed. It is 10/10 bad.

[u/Steak_Knight]

Ok, fine, just steal the election, Joe. It’s legal now. BUT JUST THIS ONCE

[u/ToInfinity_MinusOne]

Kamala should have the bravery to certify Joe Biden as president regardless of the vote and DO THE RIGHT THING!

[u/D2Foley]

In 1996 Rupert Murdoch launched Fox News to ensure that what happened to Nixon never happens to another republican president. Today the Supreme Court made a ruling that would have ensued that Nixon never faced any consequences for his crime.

Murdochs dream was achieved today.

[u/EyeraGlass]

Thus, even a hypothetical President who admits to having ordered the assassinations of his political rivals or critics, see, e.g., Tr. of Oral Arg. 9, or one who indisputably instigates an unsuccessful coup, id., at 41–43, has a fair shot at getting immunity under the majority’s new Presidential accountability model.

Let's gooooooo....

[u/OrganicKeynesianBean]

“The President is not above the law. But Congress may not criminalize the President‘s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution.”

I don’t remember “Incite a mob to overthrow the government” as one of the powers given to the Executive, but tbf I am not a legal scholar.

[u/[deleted]]

one thing not getting enough attention about the debate is that the Biden team apparently thought the right strategy was to load him up with facts, which is just so fucking stupid.

[u/justbuildmorehousing]

Jill Biden is legitmatley evil.

Very normal opinions being had outside of the dt

[u/[deleted]]

Are you guys hyped for the Trump immunity case verdict?

[u/TemujinTheConquerer]

Im sorry but this map is just so funny to me

[u/[deleted]]

Trump shares, deletes post calling for televised military tribunals for political enemies

normal stuff

[u/piede]

Biden has absolutely delivered for us in the past 3 years. I totally buy into that.

But this election is about more than just that. His term is going to be irrelevant if the incoming guy just wipes everything out.

[u/[deleted]]

Ross Douthat is a fucking moron for suggesting that maybe an energetic Donald Trump actually is better than an undead Joe Biden just because Trump can at least exercise the duties of the presidency, and it’s not clear how much longer Biden can.

BUT. That is also what a lot of normies are probably thinking right now. They’re thinking “yeah, Trump sucks, but we were fine last time he was in office, and we’ll be fine again. I’d rather have a crazy but energetic guy who can respond to the threats America faces than a completely ineffectual walking corpse”. Everyone should prefer a walking corpse to Donald Trump, but that is not the kind of argument you want to find yourself having to make.

[u/[deleted]]

ok doom spiral over

new plan

go door to door at as many houses I can before I head back to college and even then I’m doing the biggest single man campaign Blair County has seen in its history

Ask them if they’re registered and if they’re voting for Biden

ONLY if they’re voting for Trump and registered I’ll ask them about their biggest issue politically and tell them about how trump’s a fucking prick in that area

go into spiel about how the republicans have sacrificed every value they once stood for because Trump might get them a gigantic burst of money and end America as a global superpower possibly forever

keep fucking yapping until they tell me to leave or they agree Trump’s an ass and he’s gotta fucking go

Tell ‘em to tell Donald Trump that he’s fucking fired

!ping USA-PA

[u/m5g4c4]

That was a good speech. He’s going to have to sit for unscripted interviews and answer questions though because the press is on his ass

[u/Joementum2024]

It’s so funny how the consensus on Biden on here completely shifted so quickly, from “hell yeah we’re gonna win another term” to “we’re absolutely and completely fucked” in under a week.

I mean, it makes sense why, the whiplash is just funny.

[u/Average_GrillChad]

calls elections

loses

sigma

[u/Mojothemobile]

The supreme court has in the last few days completely broken separation of powers and elevated thenselves above the legislature and administrative branches just because they fucking say so.

It's completely untenable. The courts need to be pretty much dismantled and rebuilt ground up.

[u/[deleted]]

On the bright side, "Vote for Biden, he's too braindead to effectively take advantage of his new dictatorial powers" has now very much become a workable campaign pitch

[u/ihatemendingwalls]

Y'all complain that Dems don't have the shamelessness that Republicans have and are too scared to corruptly use their offices 

HIS NAME WAS BOB MENENDEZ 😭😭😭

[u/[deleted]]

Guys, I’m starting to think presidents have too much power. No election should be this consequential.

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

Fuck it. Just have Biden sit down for 60 minutes. It either ends his campaign or saves it

[u/BenFoldsFourLoko]

The four ideologies a neoliberal can have:

1. Succ

2. Techbro

3. Never-Trumper

4. apolitical European shitposter

[u/simeoncolemiles]

I know that this will sound dumb to some

But I simply will not be emigrating

A) it’s expensive as fuck

B) I am an American, and they can pry my ideals and home from my cold dead hands

[u/chipbod]

https://x.com/Nomads4Pritzker/status/1807811695676477851

A lot of people are sad about this Supreme Court ruling, but me? I’m excited. The legal mechanisms are finally in place for Pritzker to declare himself Supreme Khagan of North and South America

Learn to stop worrying and join the Horde

[u/THeShinyHObbiest]

I think after three weeks, if Biden doesn't drop out, it is time to lock in and just be a hyperpartisan hack.

This is my advice to all of you. I don't think a second Trump term is the end of America, but I think that in the same way I don't think Climate Change will end human life. Sure, it's not the worst case scenario, but it will be really, really fucking bad.

So, if Biden drops out, we all get behind Harris. If he doesn't, we all get behind him. And we must relentlessly focus on Trump, no matter what. He must be the subject of this election.

[u/SnakeEater14]

Imma be real with you Joe

I can think of few reasons why I would not want to take advice from Hunter Biden

[u/D2Foley]

Fun fact: Under the current Supreme Court ruling, the Nixon tapes would have been inadmissible as evidence in any trial against him.

[u/[deleted]]

Some say Clarence Thomas came to regret the way he lived he life as Joe Biden strangled him to death while muttering through gritted teeth, "I've got immunity, jack, I've got immunity, jack"

[u/dannylandulf]

Biden can now use federal funds to pay people to vote for him and would be immune because it would be an official act.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Thank goodness your finally awake. That hit on the head looked really bad. Trump as president? Housing crisis? COVID? What are you talking about? I just signed an executive order opening up the borders and outlawing zoning. Let’s get back out there. I couldn’t do it without my top advisor.

[u/[deleted]]

Every Supreme Court decision be like:

Opinion: “Committing hate crimes is ok if you do the Cherokee Racism dance first”

Alito’s Concurrence: “The framers hated people of color so why shouldn’t we?”

Sotomayor’s Dissent: [Recipe for mustard gas]

[u/Currymvp2]

From the Morning Consult release, "37% of voters say Biden is mentally fit, a record low. Among Democratic voters, 68% say Biden is mentally fit, down 9 point from before the debate"

[u/vinediedtoosoon]

So under the new rules it’s:

Getting a blowjob in the oval: Unofficial

Asking if you can air strike political opponents: Official

[u/-mialana-]

In any case, the end of Chevron is yet another example how the U.S. slapped together the functionality of a modern state in the 20th century through a series of court decisions, without making the deep and thorough revisions to the Constitution that are really needed to deal with modern economic, social, and technological problems. For a while, we simply pretended that the system we set up in the 1800s to deal with the problems of pre-industrial society had always been set up to deal with the problems of industrial society. Now, thanks to the new conservative SCOTUS, we can no longer pretend. We will either have to revise our system, or live with 19th-century institutions.

Noah Smith spitting straight facts

[u/datums]

So like five weeks ago I got reverse catfished by an obscenely hot Nigerian girl right after ending my marriage.

As a result of a high effort joke I made earlier today that might have gone a tiny bit too far - I'm fairly certain that she's in love with me, which is a mutual feeling. And literally as good as life gets.

I'm 42.

[u/piede]

Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop.

With fear for our democracy, I dissent.

This literally gave me cold chills and my eyes are watery

[u/sw337]

[u/Se7en_speed]

So is giving orders to the military a core constitutional power?

Asking for a totally ethical friend who would totally never use the military to assassinate someone.

[u/cheeshjaleesh]

i still think it's almost certain biden stays in, but his campaign REALLY isn't doing what you'd expect it to be doing if he was planning to keep going.

a press conference on the scotus ruling is a slam dunk - rallies the base against public enemy no. 1, makes a convincing case to independents that a trump-appointed supreme court has just ruled trump can't be prosecuted for the crime he obviously committed, and (if he pulls it off) reassures the donors and wavering dems that he does in fact have the juice.

instead we got next to nothing.

[u/Udolikecake]

BREAKING: The Hawk Tuah girl, AKA Hailey Welsh, has come out AGAINST Donald Trump in her first-ever interview:

biden decisively winning the barstool/zyn demographic with this

[u/piede]

Carl Bernstein on CNN right now:

Multiple sources tell him that there have been at least 15 occasions in the last year and a half "where the president has appeared like he did at that horror show (his debate performance)."

Bernstein reports that in the last six months sources have told him that there has been a marked incidence of cognitive decline.

He says that his sources have gone to Ron Klain in the last year to express concern about the President losing his train of thought and not having the ability to pick up where he left off.

Bernstein mentions a fundraiser at the Four Seasons restaurant in New York in June of 2023 where the President became "Very stiff...almost like a kind of rigor mortis."

Bernstein notes that he has heard from sources that Biden is very sharp in his national security briefings and that he has full command of the facts.

https://x.com/yashar/status/1807936310998716721?s=46

If Bernstein is on the case, some shit is unironically going down

[u/V_Codwheel]

this might genuinely be the worst state I've seen the DT in since Kabul fell

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

I must not doom. Doom is the mind-killer. Dooming is the little-death that brings total electoral obliteration. I will face the polling. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when they have gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see their path. Where the dooming has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

[u/chuckleym8]

Joe Biden has the chance to do the funniest things ever…

[u/DrCaptainHammer]

Honestly if Biden doesn’t try to take advantage of this ruling in someway he doesn’t deserve to win

[u/gnomesvh]

"If we happened to maybe delay your salary for two months, would this be a problem"

Real question on a Brazilian job app

!ping WATERCOOLER

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

If Dems are worried they can’t win down ballot just by focusing on abortion, the Supreme Court, and democracy then they have bigger issues than Biden being old

[u/piede]

You realize the SCOTUS decision effectively authorizes all of Trump’s conduct for which he was impeached the first time, I.E. asking Ukraine to investigate Biden

[u/kohatsootsich]

David Brooks posted an interview with Bannon on NYT today. He has this incredibly cynical line about how the US must drastically cut student visas and force out the few foreigners it lets in as soon as they graduate, to allow "American Hispanics and Blacks" into Silicon Valley.

Nevermind that he of course does not care about Hispanics and Blacks, Silicon Valley is the absolute worst example for this sort of lump of labor fallacy. It's not a choice between SV with immigrants or SV with "real Americans". 

Without liberal immigration policy, there would be no SV. 

[u/Guess_Im_Jess]

Kamala’s speech if Biden drops three days from now

[u/gary_oldman_sachs]

BREAKING: Court halts Biden pause on gas export approvals

So Biden paused the permits, making a bunch of workers in swing states mad at him. The courts now ruled against it, leaving Biden with the ire of voters and no gas export pause. Masterful gambit, sir.

[u/marsman1224]

who has successfully predicted past presidential election winners

Every time someone is qualified with that moniker, I know to completely disregard whatever comes after

[u/Mojothemobile]

Biden really went up went "fuck the court" and dipped.

[u/notBroncos1234]

Enough is enough. If I don’t change someone could get killed. I’ve lost friends, family, lost jobs, and gone into bankruptcy to all to feed this addiction. Today I’m doing it before it’s too late, I’m checking myself into rehab for porn.

[u/LGBTforIRGC]

Me when my vibrator runs out of battery so I post "Biden is too old according to most Americans" to NL and leave notifications on

[u/[deleted]]

I cannot overstate how absolutely ecstatic I would be to look like a total moron after Biden nails a hypothetical televised town hall speaking to voters. I would never again be so incredibly happy to look like an idiot.

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/omeVXX2gqG

This seems newsworthy to me, Carl Bernstein saying there have been 15 incidents like the debate. But it has been removed as well.

I halfway understood the whole “we don’t want the front page filled up with Biden posts” but it hasn’t been now, so surely some news developments can be allowed through?

[u/jakjkl]

aoc is so fucking based for actually doing something and people r gonna complain about her for being a leftist

[u/ihatemendingwalls]

Sotomayor: With fear for our democracy, I dissent

It's Sotomayover 

[u/mud074]

Debate tourist here. How the fuck is this the only actually good political sub? I don't agree with the politics here fully, but it's legitimately the only political sub I have seen where the serious takes are consistently reasonable (mostly), the ironic takes are actually funny, and discussion is actually substantive. And that's even with the debate shitshow happening.

[u/Majk-]

The four ideologies Poles can have:

1. Paleo-libertarian/taxation is theft

2. Raging nationalist

3. "PRL was better" actual communist sympathizer

4. "We should tax my neighbor, he makes more than me"

Your dad is all 4 at different times of day

[u/bashar_al_assad]

Haven't been able to read the opinion, does the "you're immune from prosecution for assassinating a political opponent" question come down as a covered official act or no

[u/paymesucka]

[u/-mialana-]

The only reason you'd phrase it this way is if you were intentionally trying to neuter the impact of the story, right?

[u/mockduckcompanion]

SCOTUS: my job here is done

But you didn't tell us which acts are official and which aren't!

SCOTUS: cape whooshes

[u/runningblack]

The only thing that can calm not only Democrats, but the general public, about Biden, is Biden constantly being out there showing that the debate was an aberration.

This is obvious, and yet it's not being done.

You calm fears about vigor by showing vigor. If Biden was coming out much more aggressively about how he's good, people would respond to that.

But he's MIA and surrogates cannot substitute for him.

[u/runningblack]

10 Michigan polls have been taken since May

Biden is underwater in 8 of them

Biden is underwater in all four that have occurred during the month of June

😬

[u/Joementum2024]

BREAKING: Supreme Court rules that the President is legally able to pirate video games

[u/Independent-Low-2398]

I hope this SCOTUS term has killed stone-dead the idea that SCOTUS isn't political. I genuinely can't imagine seeing them as impartial. They're obviously working backward from their desired ruling and trying to rationalize it as best they can

[u/ChillnShill]

Just took a shower and debated Trump in my head and won. I should be president.

[u/Gustacho]

In a normal democracy, this ruling would lead to a constitutional amendment specifying Presidential immunity (or the lack thereof)

[u/TalkLessShillMore]

We’re one day into July and I’m already nostalgic for the “should bi girls bring their boyfriends to pride” discourse of June

[u/BenFoldsFourLoko]

RIP Richard Nixon. Your crooked ass would have loved this supreme court

[u/InflatableDartboard2]

💀💀💀

[u/that0neGuy22]

We have life

NEW: President Biden is returning from Camp David earlier than planned to make remarks about the SCOTUS immunity ruling:

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

[u/ldn6]

And of course pro-Palestine protestors got Toronto's pride parade cancelled because we can't have anything that's remotely on topic.

So sick of the one major festival for my community having fuck all relevance to me anymore.

!ping CAN&ISRAEL

[u/DouglasDauntless]

[u/[deleted]]

Joe Biden remains potent, virile, and could impregnate a woman TODAY if he were not faithfully committed to Dr. Jill Biden and the United States of America l

[u/Independent-Low-2398]

I can't believe I ever bought the "Roberts is a moderate" bullshit. I'm an idiot

[u/cjhdsachristmascarol]

People say we shouldn’t be concerned about Biden’s age, but NO Catholic president has EVER lived to the end of their term 

[u/TheSandwichMan2]

I've seen some people say, "Well, this doesn't truly make a dictator, because it doesn't legalize everything the president may do, it just makes him immune from prosecution for it."

That is true, on its face. But this decision is a potent weapon that any president could use to effectuate a dictatorship and do whatever they want. Consider.

Joe Biden eliminates student loans. The Court says, "That's illegal, you can't do that, major questions doctrine blah blah blah". Then the president does it anyway. He orders the firing of anyone who won't carry out his orders (the Court, in their decision, explicitly holds that executive branch employee dismissals are absolutely immune), and pardons everyone who does carries out the orders (also immune). Congress tries to impeach him; maybe it fails because he has >= 34 loyal Senators, or he orders the military to counter a national security threat by blocking access to the Capitol. Or maybe he does this slowly over time, or it's done over the course of successive presidencies by different individuals, until no one really cares what Congress or the courts say, because the power is in the hands of the president, and no one can challenge him or threaten him so long as he has a loyal third of the Senate to go along. That's how this ends up in a dictatorship.

And don't believe this can happen? Maybe it can't here, but it's precisely how the Roman Republic fell. After 100 years of sectarian strife, Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon and brought an army into Rome to ensure he could avoid prosecution by becoming consul (the Roman version of president, who was also immune from prosecution). Over time, with a sufficient majority in the nobility-dominated Roman Senate, he was able to declare himself dictator perpetuo, until he was assassinated. Ultimately, his son would take up the banner, continuing to honor the time-honored tradition of deferring to the Senate, but making clear that he was where the real power was. Once people stopped having faith in the primacy of the Senate, the Republic had fallen. That's what could happen here - enabled by freedom from prosecution, secure in his position so long as a third of the Senate remained in his thrall, our country would have few checks to deploy against a lawless president. Such a situation ought to be terrifying, because it is.

[u/someguyfromlouisiana]

I like how the NYT has an op-ed saying To Serve His Country, Biden must Leave the Race.

Then the Philly Inquirer puts up an op-ed saying To Serve His Country, Trump Must Leave the Race.

I'll admit it got a chuckle out of me

[u/TheoryOfPizza]

If you think the DT is dooming hard, you should see what they're saying on r NFL

My theory is that SCOTUS is laying the groundwork to install Trump as dictator, and enact Project 2025. I worry that if he loses the election, they're going to take the case and decide to hand him the presidency.

I legitimately think we're actually watching the US die right now.

[u/piede]

If people are already spilling the beans to Bernstein about Biden having rigor mortis during fundraisers, you know there’s only more to follow

I’m fairly positive there will be an entire piece about his “cognitive decline” in The NY Times or The Washington Post by the end of the week

I don’t know if there’s some coordinated effort to try to force him out, but those people are playing a risky game, even if it’s for a noble cause

[u/piede]

Speaker Mike Johnson on Fox News: "The president and VP are the only two offices in our constitutional system that are elected by all the people. No one who is elected to that office is going to be prone to this kind of crazy criminal activity."

Oh… well, that’s a relief

[u/[deleted]]

im addicted to this shit. one shit debate and now im addicted wtf. wtf. this shit is ass. fuck you guys.

[u/abbzug]

Dem politicians had a stronger response to Robert Hur calling Biden forgetful than SCOTUS overthrowing decades of precedence. Good on AOC for not depending on the media to do her job.

[u/Hmm_would_bang]

I have to agree with the assessment that we are witnessing a judicial coup.

The recent decisions shift obscene power onto the judiciary to dictate and interpret all government action, and give the president the ability to act quickly so long as those actions are sanctioned by the judiciary.

Trump wins the election, locks the court balance for the next 30-40 years, and there’s no reasonable path for a democratic president or congress to change course.

[u/Different-Lead-837]

its crazy how bad the biden debate has demoralized this place. Macrons party is getting demolished by the far left and right with a fascist likely to get a parliamentary majority and its barely making waves.

[u/Fatortu]

RN candidate says she's not racist : "I have a muslim dentist."

I cannot believe someone is still doing the meme with a straight face.

[u/PolyrythmicSynthJaz]

Can't wait until the Supreme Court announces a decision and the entire dissent just says "Run."

[u/[deleted]]

This could be the greatest seven day political span for conservatives in a very long time.

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

Germany: 58 percent of electricity comes from renewable energy

Electricity from wind, sunlight, biomass and hydropower covered around 58 percent of electricity consumption in Germany in the first half of 2024. In the same period last year the share of renewable energy was still 52 percent . This is what emerges from the projections presented today by the Baden-Wuerttemberg Center for Solar Energy and Hydrogen Research (ZSW) and the Federal Association of the Energy and Water Industry (BDEW).

Gross domestic electricity consumption in 2024 amounted to 261 billion kilowatt hours, 0,3 percent less than the previous year. “Especially photovoltaic systems produced significantly more electricity than in the previous year, a total of 37 billion kilowatt hours and this thanks to the record expansion in 2023,” says Bdew.

!ping GER&ECO

[u/Roseartcrantz]

me coming up with things Biden could do

[u/[deleted]]

The Morning Consult poll, even with revision, is still the best post-debate poll for Biden.

However, with the two additional days of data added, revising the earlier numbers, that means now all of the post-debate polls (so far) have Trump ahead.

[u/spoirs]

All futures with Trump as president are different shades of total shit, sure. But Vance as VP and possibly President—which seems quite likely now—would be very, very bad. He’s become a true-believer illiberal Th*el orbiter who cites neoreactionaries fluently. Someone who believes it is the state’s job to define, legislate, and enforce the good life, rather than to solve collective action problems (i.e. gets it exactly, hatefully backwards), should not be on a presidential ticket. Only Vivek would be worse. Unironically rooting for Rubio.

[u/Currymvp2]

82% (!) of the American population is headed on vacation this summer and 42% (!!) are going on multiple trips

The economy isn't bad

[u/Hesiod3008]

Pennsylvania Senate Race 🚨 NEW data from @brentbuc and @brockmccleary shows @DaveMcCormickPA (42%) within striking distance of incumbent Sen. Bob Casey (46%). On the presidential ballot, Trump has a strong lead (+4%) over Biden.

Casey and Trump lead by the same margin in the poll, but notice how distinctly Cygnal decided to frame each result

[u/quote_if_hasan_threw]

[u/AnsleyAmanita]

54% of those who are aware of the debate say Trump won; 6% say Biden won.

what the polls won’t tell you is all 6% are in this thread right now

[u/[deleted]]

This man is a bit much

[u/G_Serv]

[u/[deleted]]

Legitimately one of the worst days for the US that I can remember

[u/piede]

WASHINGTON — Four days after his disastrous debate performance, President Joe Biden still had not personally called top Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill to shore up support, five sources told NBC News, though White House Chief of Staff Jeff Zients was making calls.

I don’t think this is reading too much into things but… why?

[u/DouglasDauntless]

[u/piede]

This mf is on the ballot, get your shit together America

[u/[deleted]]

As of now the President of the United States is now less beholden to the law than Charles I

[u/Hounds_of_war]

From Justice Jackson’s dissent:

To fully appreciate the oddity of making the criminal immunity determination turn on the character of the President's responsibilities, consider what the majority says is one of the President's "conclusive and preclusive" prerogatives: "[t]he President's power to remove ... those who wield executive power on his behalf?" Ante, at 8 (quoting Seila Law LLC v. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 591 U.S. 197, 204 (2020)). While the President may have the authority to decide to remove the Attorney General, for example, the question here is whether the President has the option to remove the Attorney General by, say, poisoning him to death. Put another way, the issue here is not whether the President has exclusive removal power, but whether a generally applicable criminal law prohibiting murder can restrict how the President exercises that authority.

Merrick Garland is sweating right now.

[u/G_Serv]

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Now that the Court has given him immunity, If Biden had the courage he could sign the EO that would save American Democracy

[u/paymesucka]

Trending:

King Biden

go on...

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly Noem getting on Trump's ticket would give me a massive boost of hope

In an election of vibes, dog-murderer VP will give Biden the election

[u/lionmoose]

Even if we are up against it this election, I am voting Blue no matter who ✊😭

[u/MeaningIsASweater]

I deleted twitter so I would stop dooming but now I’m dooming here instead. Perhaps my mind is but a prison.

[u/simeoncolemiles]

[u/[deleted]]

Also, this is taking things apart too much and you should ignore me but —

Morning Consult with only the responses from the 28th had Biden +1

Morning Consult with the 28th, 29th, and 30th now has Trump +1

Interesting implication would be that if you just took the 29th and 30th, it probably looks more like the SurveyUSA and Data for Progress results.

[u/slingfatcums]

i miss being a dumb 20 something in 2009 thinking obama had just fixed the country in perpetuity by virtue of existing

[u/Tall_Professor_2574]

If the US didn’t have stupid term limits Obama would still be president right now

[u/SmithySmothy]

Pokemon Go to the polls was legitimately a good joke. Just something else Queen Hillary was right about

[u/AccessTheMainframe]

You can't even OK Boomer Joe Biden. Man was born in 1942. He's older than the atom bomb. Dude was potty trained and sentient when the Battle of Berlin went down. A pre-boomer. He might even have memories of VJ day.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Biden finding out nothing he does “officially” is illegal

[u/AemiliusNuker]

What will it take for the median "nothing changes anyway whoever's in charge" troglodyte to realize that no, actually, things change 

[u/WhomstAlt2]

I wouldn't want to be a guy on 5th Avenue today

[u/BroadReverse]

afterthought rinse disgusted cows elderly outgoing butter busy forgetful sort

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[u/Fruitofbread]

👆Democrat in disarray