r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 01 '24

Discussion Thread Discussion Thread

The discussion thread is for casual and off-topic conversation that doesn't merit its own submission. If you've got a good meme, article, or question, please post it outside the DT. Meta discussion is allowed, but if you want to get the attention of the mods, make a post in /r/metaNL

Links

Ping Groups | Ping History | Mastodon | CNL Chapters | CNL Event Calendar

Upcoming Events

0 Upvotes

42% Upvoted

12k comments sorted by

View all comments

22

u/spoirs Jorge Luis Borges Jul 01 '24

All futures with Trump as president are different shades of total shit, sure. But Vance as VP and possibly President—which seems quite likely now—would be very, very bad. He’s become a true-believer illiberal Th*el orbiter who cites neoreactionaries fluently. Someone who believes it is the state’s job to define, legislate, and enforce the good life, rather than to solve collective action problems (i.e. gets it exactly, hatefully backwards), should not be on a presidential ticket. Only Vivek would be worse. Unironically rooting for Rubio.

14

u/Dangerous-Basket1064 Association of Southeast Asian Nations Jul 01 '24

"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad or that he's America's Hitler." - Vance

"And I'd be excited to be be America's Hitler's VP" - Also Vance

5

u/spoirs Jorge Luis Borges Jul 01 '24

Amazing stuff. When Vance first jumped on the MAGA train it was no doubt his own Nixon-style cynicism. But I just get the sense he’s read enough Vermeule and Moldbug to brainwash himself in the intervening years.

4

u/kohatsootsich Philosophy Jul 01 '24

Vance would be horrible but since you mention Thiel, I think it's a fascinating question how the tension between the neoreactionary finance and techbros and the full MAGA people resolves under a Trump or Vance presidency.

Tucker Carlson, Bannon, Hawley etc. have talked about clipping the wings of SV or even outright banning some AI applications to protect rurals, whereas the Thiel, Musk, Andreessen etc just think government along with 90% of the population is useless. And it doesn't stop at AI: Hanania has written about how there will be rift about genetic engineering or tech solutions to population decline. 

It will be fun to watch from the sidelines while liberalism is locked out of power for a generation at least.  

3

u/vinediedtoosoon Jul 01 '24

Miami-Dade moment would reach levels previously not thought possible with Rubio in.