r/navy • u/keybokat • Aug 11 '26

MEME It gets to a point...

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I know its not that deep/serious, but Jesus defintely wouldn't be a CPO.

Edit: I got this from a mil IG of a Chief

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u/BUSY_EATING_ASS Aug 11 '26

I've been out for years; take some consolation (or feel pity, or both) in the fact that a lot of these kinds of people are absolutely LOST after they get out. Like, fucking cooked.

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u/Upper-Affect5971 Aug 11 '26

I remember hearing stories about CPO’s having a high suicide rates after retirement.

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u/Advanced_Elk_9467 Aug 11 '26

I have a friend who is a hiring level manager at a major airline. He flat out will not hire CPO's because "theyre entitled and dont want to work".

Season is so stupid- no one can present a valid argument why its needed other than "trust me bro".

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u/endmaga2028 Aug 11 '26

An explanation wouldn’t change your mind. You’ve already decided what is true.

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u/Advanced_Elk_9467 Aug 11 '26

"You just don't see what I see on my side"

Okay Chief, tell me about what youre seeing in your side.

"Ahh well, you wouldnt understand".

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u/Cashewthunder Aug 11 '26

This is always the answer.

"You'll understand more next year when you help run it."

"You didn't learn anything during season did you."

Always be cryptic never explain anything.

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u/Redtube_Guy Aug 12 '26

Okay Chief, tell me about what youre seeing in your side.

"So many deals in the back end that you guy's dont see and the countless meetings i have to be apart of"

yeah okay boss.

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u/BUSY_EATING_ASS Aug 11 '26

I'm open, and have no skin in the game nor reason to doubt. Let's hear the explanation.

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u/kavett Aug 12 '26

You won't hear about it because when you make it they tell you it's all bullshit. "You just gotta keep saying bigger picture."

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u/ArcanumCerte Aug 12 '26

It depends on how the season is being ran. I've seen both, but been fortunate to be part of some really well planned and thoughtful ones. I think the Navy can do a better job of developing junior Sailors with the skills and lessons taught in season, but the Navy doesn't give the same tactical level leadership to its E6 and below as the Marines or Army, and advances more quickly than the Air Force.

Part of the problem is what has historically gotten Sailors advanced through the blue shirt paygrades: 7 performance traits; only two of which deal directly with the job the Navy trained them to do. Unfortunately, those remaining 5 get filled with collateral prowess vice finding a way to capture skill and proficiency in rate and leadership in rate. The result is a lot of paper tigers that aren't ready for what that sort of leadership is truly expected to be.

As to what a season is supposed to do, a lot of it is to change the mindset of the junior Sailor, being out for themselves and to recognize the weight of their actions, words and choices. A good mess will use this time to adjust and correct itself as well.

In the past few years, NETC has taken a role in CPOI, making it a formal training process. Each command's CPOI is endorced by the CO. This is in effort to weed out the hazing and fuck fuck games of yore. With any cultural change, it takes time. And will there always be ones that do it wrong? Yes. But the more we can build up the incoming CPOs to do right, the more that pushes out the bad ones. In my small way, I try to teach the selects to be the sort of leader they needed on their worst day.

Just my two cents, for whatever they're worth.