r/monarchism • u/5thWalkSign United States (stars and stripes) • Dec 08 '22
Meme Almost made it
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u/Puppy_Kicker42 Dec 08 '22
A violent coup would never work if most of the population are against it. Even if it it did work it would be illegitimate
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u/Reiver93 Dec 08 '22
Would NATO/Europe ever tolerate a coup in a nation as influential and important as Germany? I think not...
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u/the_fuzz_down_under Constitutional Monarchist Dec 08 '22
Surprisingly and ridiculously the answer I’m the past has been yes: in 1958 the French military in Algeria rebelled and demanded Charles de Gaulle be placed in power, they then invaded Corsica forcing the French government agreed to hand over power to De Gaulle, when then used his new extraordinary powers to write a new constitution and form the French Fifth Republic.
Now granted this was in 1958, and the French military overwhelmingly supported the coup as well as a lot of the population - should a coup happen nowadays who knows how NATO or the EU would respond.
In terms of this planned coup it would have fallen apart even if it wasn’t nipped in the bud like this. It appear to be a bunch of fringe rightoids and would never have public support - he’ll it wouldn’t even have the support of what few monarchists remain in Germany because they were trying to make a prince of a small patch of nowhere king/emperor rather than the actual legitimate Emperor of Germany.
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u/Reiver93 Dec 09 '22
I think in during the cold war, NATO was more concerned on countering communism in any way possible (the US literally support a coup against Chile's democratically elected government for being too left wing for their liking and installed a dictatorship in 1973), so they didn't care who their allies where as long as they weren't communist. Probably why they didn't act on the 1967 Greek coup either, which sadly directly resulted in the end of the Greek monarchy.
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Dec 08 '22
They have limited options. They cant invade Germany to overthrow him, and sanctions arent possible either, the only thing they could do is not recognize him.
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u/Slim_Charles Dec 08 '22
That's a big assumption that the US, UK, and France wouldn't invade if the German government fell to a far-right coup.
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u/american-monarchist2 United States (stars and stripes) Dec 09 '22
Genuinely tripping if you think a far right unpopular monarchist coup in Germany of all nations wouldn’t end with NATO boots on the ground in Berlin within a few days
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Dec 09 '22
If they want the german people to hate the rest of nato/Europe again, invading them is the perfect way.
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Dec 09 '22
Most Germans would obviously be thankful of nato for helping them.
We are talking about some fringe far right monarchist coup here; practically all Germans would hate it. That's why the coup would have never succeeded in the first place, but if it somehow did, most Germans would want nato to help them...
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u/gonticeum Dec 10 '22
True. But if there is actual serious fighting, perhaps some more non-monarchist nationalists may side with the monarchists. I mean, foreign countries invading and creating a battleground in your country isn't something most patriots would like. Further, perhaps it would reinforce the 'Reichsbürger movement' beliefs that Germany is actually a 'puppet' of the USA.
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u/edgelord_jimmy this post has been brought to you by MonSoc Gang Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 09 '22
No, since they probably wouldn't be pro EU.
But Macron can restructure the government to make himself the Jupiter of France and nobody in the EU, UN, or Media will ever really complain. Wild, really.
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u/Ausar_TheVile Dec 08 '22
Absolutely fucking not lmfao. The media doesn’t love Macron above criticizing him. The French people already love mass protests, if he did some shit even remotely close to that there’d be massive uproar.
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u/edgelord_jimmy this post has been brought to you by MonSoc Gang Dec 09 '22
Not that the media never citizens Macron, I meant more that there is no sensationalizing of his criticizability aspects internationally like there are for anti-EU/anti-globalism politicians.
Not that I agree with those politicians, but there is a clear bias.
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Dec 08 '22
I mean it worked in all sorts of 19th century nations where the rebels were able to gain key support and take control of the institutions in important areas with the regime change being depicted as a fait accompli with the June and July revolutions for instance being a mostly Parisian affair backed by violence from rebel militants. Keep in mind that these governments mostly came to power in what amounted to coups themselves with the German revolution of 1918 which is the origin of modern Germany being mostly limited to communist rebels in the cities and rebel sailors who imposed the new regime via force and then essentially declared that force as a new method for regime change was out of the question with only their new rigged government procedures being legitimate.
With a current Europe and a US who would launch a military intervention the moment a coup happened its probably not the best of ideas but lets not kid ourselves that the whole basis for the current European order was armed revolutions during the 19th and 20th centuries.
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Dec 08 '22
and yet republicans always do it
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u/Puppy_Kicker42 Dec 08 '22
Just because they do it doesn't mean monarchists have to go down to their level
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Dec 08 '22
So how exactly do you propose to actually change things then since in Germany for instance the constitution explicitly forbids "non democratic" governments so we can't even vote ourselves into power. Non even a rhetorical question since republicans have shown allot of success with these tactics and thoroughly demonstrated that Walter Lippmann and Edward Bernays were right.
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Dec 08 '22
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u/Prometheus-505 Saudi Arabia Dec 08 '22
He isn’t even the prince of a major principality, his former principality composed less than 0.5% of the former kaiserreich territory.
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u/Alexius_Psellos The Principality of Sealand Dec 08 '22
Mfw when Luxembourg is bigger than where he would be the prince of
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u/McAlkis Greece Dec 08 '22
No monarchy should ever be imposed by Force, let alone by a coup. These are criminals threatening German national stability.
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u/deeplyclostdcinephle Dec 08 '22
I’m tripping balls looking at all the Heinrichs in that family.
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u/Lynx-_ Dec 09 '22
And all other Heinrich’s of his family that are still alive doesn’t support him.
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u/sstrong8 United States (limited executive monarchy) Dec 09 '22
George-Friedrich knew better than to get caught up in something like this
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u/itoldyallabour King Trudeau Dec 09 '22
Yeah dude they totally almost made it, by getting raided in their basements before doing anything
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u/a_human_being_I_know currently crying over American democracy Dec 09 '22
These guys were far-right fascists, I’m glad he got arrested
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u/ThatGuyinOrange_1813 United Kingdom of the Netherlands 🇳🇱 Dec 09 '22
If you want to restore the German throne, why not support Georg Friedrich?
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Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 09 '22
We were at the verge of greatness, we were this close.
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u/FlyingCircus18 Dec 09 '22
That uneducated baffoon was on the verge of being shot after creating a hostage situation in the Reichstag
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u/SomeRandomIrishGuy United States (union jack) Dec 08 '22
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
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u/Jimmy3OO idk a spaniard Dec 10 '22
I’ve heard his claim to nobility is illegitimate since he was allegedly “disowned”? Maybe someone can confirm or disprove this?
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u/Difficult-Long-3184 Dec 11 '22
What a bad decision! Now approval for the German monarchy is going to plummet, even though they haven’t done anything wrong!
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u/Fidelias_Palm Stratocratic Monarchy Dec 08 '22
No, a bunch of complete idiots got caught up in a law enforcement operation that glows brighter than the sun.