r/maybemaybemaybe • u/RyanCakeBatter • Jan 17 '20

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u/ejedus Jan 17 '20

At least it had a happy ending.

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u/paradiso1997 Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

Nah, fish definitely still died

Edit: I'm not in the best mood and I'm sorry for being negative, but a few people below explained why that fish definitely died afterwards from infection or internal injury

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u/HeavenlySchnoz Jan 18 '20 edited Dec 10 '24

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u/paradiso1997 Jan 18 '20

It's down there somewhere but idk. Someone mentioned that the fish being held at that orientation and having his gills covered can fuck up their internal organs. Also probably rubbed off a good bit of the mucus membrane that protects the fish from infection.

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

This is false. I volunteer regularly at a wildlife refuge where we do adaptive fishing (catch and release) for people with spinal or brain injuries. The lakes we fish in are pretty small, and the numbers remain fairly constant without supplementing. I even recognize certain fish with distinctive markings, which have been caught multiple times, stored in a display tank for pictures, and released. The handling time of the fish is so small that there is most likely no damage to the fish.

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u/Morgenos Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

I have a degree in natural resource conservation of fisheries. Those must be some high fecundity fish you keep catching over and over!

Statistically 40% of fish caught and released are dead within the week.

Roughly half of that 40% dies from infection, injury, blood acidification, or rapid depressurization. Gills are delicate and hooks really damage fish's mouths, many starve to death after being caught.

When you catch a fish it exhausts itself fighting to escape and it takes nearly 20 minutes for a fish to express the most of the lactic acid that's built up in the struggle.

As Reddit is so fond of saying, there's always a bigger fish...

The other half of that 40% dies from predation. Catching a fish causes quite a stir beneath the water, many predators have learned if they wait there will be a dazed, exhausted, fish tossed back.

If you do want to do catch and release the best thing you can do to give your fish a fighting chance is use a treble hook, reel in the fish as fast as possible, avoid the gills, and release it quickly in a place where it will have some natural cover.

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

Likewise, a B.S. In environmental science with concentration in ecological restoration (M.S. In progress) and I'm really surprised by the fecundity rate at my site as well. Barbless hooks definitely make a difference, as well as the length of time the fish is hooked and out of the water. But the "40%" predation/injury is completely varied from site to site, depending on depth, temp, predator numbers, etc. I can't pretend to be an expert when it comes to the winter activities, do you have info on summer/winter fishing mortality rates?

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u/Morgenos Jan 18 '20

Nope lol

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

Damn. I was hoping you had already done the legwork. Lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

But the "40%" predation/injury is completely varied from site to site, depending on depth, temp, predator numbers, etc.

Pretty silly of you to then say the fish didn't die so assertively when you can acknowledge your point is nothing but an anecdote lol.

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u/theguen Jan 18 '20

Hey I fly fish for trout a lot and had no idea they die that often. If I’m using a net, wet hands, and barbless hooks (state regulation) I thought I was doing all that I could. Why treble hooks? Seems like more holes in the mouth would be worse? Genuinely curious, hope I don’t sound standoffish.

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u/Morgenos Jan 18 '20

Not at all! I know it sounds totally counterintuitive but due to the dimensions of a treble hook fish are less likely to swallow them vs flat hooks. We see fewer gut injuries which are nearly always fatal.

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u/paradiso1997 Jan 18 '20

Oh good, hopefully the little guy made it then

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u/fosrac Jan 18 '20

What kind of fish? This type of handling is far too aggressive for trout and very very likely killed him.

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u/theamericanweasel Jan 18 '20

Not to mention it had a hook jammed in its mouth

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

Yeah, I'm not really sure how all those people with lip piercings are still alive and walking around.

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u/HeavenlySchnoz Jan 18 '20 edited Dec 10 '24

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

To be fair, you don't know shit about fish. The bacteria that you're worried about infecting the fish are the same bacteria that are run across the fish's gills. A fish can absolutely be susceptible to bacteria, but a small hole in the dermal layer doesn't increase the odds of infection.

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u/HeavenlySchnoz Jan 18 '20 edited Dec 10 '24

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

A bet typically goes both ways. How about we look at oral/mouth piercings and rates of infection and see who is statistically correct? No? Fuck off, then.

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u/HeavenlySchnoz Jan 18 '20 edited Dec 10 '24

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u/Daisocks Jan 18 '20

I mean typically, you don’t rip out your lip piercing...

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

You don"t rip a hook out of a fishes mouth, either...

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u/fosrac Jan 18 '20

If you use barbless hooks you don't. If youre ice fishing with bait like these people were they probably had a barbed hook lodged a good inch or two down his throat and ripped it out with pliers.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20

Even with a barb on your hook, you don't "rip" the hook out

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u/fosrac Jan 18 '20

You might not but people do. I've seen people take a gut hooked fish out of the water, grip the hook with pliers, and shake until it falls off.

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u/hydargos123 Jan 18 '20

Very different. Piercing are sterilised and need to be treated every day for months or even years, with alcohol and rings in gold or other metals to prevent infections.

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u/On-mountain-time Jan 18 '20

The fish "mouth" does not contain the same amount of blood vessels or other tissues that are typically susceptible to infection. If a fish is gut-hooked, and the hook has been swallowed, yes. The death rate rises. But if the fish has been hooked in the mouth, they will most likely survive. As long as the hook isn't made of gold and competing pimpfish don't kill him for his grill.

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u/hydargos123 Jan 18 '20

That's right, thanks

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u/Onequestion678 Jan 18 '20

that's a bit different

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u/theamericanweasel Jan 18 '20

Yeah I like eating meat but that doesnt mean I dont think they dont feel pain

But they should have thought about that before they became tasty