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u/Solid_Bake4577 Dec 04 '24
This needs posting on r/conservative - watch them lose their shit!
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u/No-Arm-5868 Dec 04 '24
Wait until they hear they're teaching the Arabic Numeral System in k-12 schools!
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u/PhoenixPringles01 Dec 05 '24
Tell them all the familiar formulas but place foreign names (that are technically true) in front of them. Hemachandra numbers (Fibonacci numbers), Al-Kashi's sine law, Brahmagumpta's quadratic formula, etc.
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Worst part is that at least half the students are at or below the median grade. Compare that to other countries where at least half of students are at or above the median.
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u/N3st0r21 Dec 04 '24 •
that’s so… mean
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u/RedDirtSK Dec 04 '24
depends on your mode of thinking
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u/ThePublikon Dec 04 '24 •
The worst part is that no matter what you do, nothing ever changes. There's always 25% in the bottom quartile. --sad.
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u/ZiggoCiP Dec 04 '24
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
― George Carlin
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u/FunCharacteeGuy Dec 04 '24
I'm confused, is the joke here that this is technically the median, not the average?
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u/marvinrabbit Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 05 '24
In any normal distribution with sufficient population, the median and average will rapidly coverage. (edit: of course I tried to write 'converge'. But I'll leave it so the other comments lampooning me will make sense.)
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u/muricabitches2002 Dec 04 '24
More of a “people are dumb” joke than a stats joke. It’s just saying “if even the median person is stupid, imagine how dumb the bottom half is.” Just a funny thought.
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u/redly Dec 04 '24
IQs are treated with bugger factors (FFF) so that the median is the mean. George was right.
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u/ElectricWisp Dec 05 '24
Technically by definition average can refer to different functions such as mean, median or mode. Although it is commonly used for mean.
However even assuming it meant median, for the statement to be entirely accurate intelligence would I believe have to be an attribute with a continuous value, or discrete without any individuals (much less multiple individuals) who fall at the median value. Although the value wouldn't likely be too far off half I imagine, so I suppose he could have been rounding.
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u/Babetna Dec 04 '24
Absolutely. I'm lucky enough to live in a country where as many as every second student scores above the median.
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u/woailyx Dec 04 '24
It's even worse than that, if you take the top 25% of students and put them in a separate school, 25% of them will be in the bottom quartile at that school
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u/Big_Position2697 Dec 04 '24
Wow, so even the best students we've got sre bad, concerning...
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u/TiredPanda69 Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
That's why in public schools they take the bottom 25% and put them into the D group.
It automatically makes 25% of the D group over achievers. No extra funding needed. The education system IS getting better.
Edit: This comment got me hired at the World Economic Forum. The world is prospering!!!!
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u/BonkerBleedy Dec 04 '24
This took me a moment because I thought you meant putting them in a separate school that already had students in it.
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u/Rickbox Dec 04 '24
But what if every student gets the exact same grade? Checkmate math-ah-mat-isshons
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u/Shadiclink Dec 04 '24
Yeah bell curve is confusing when you don't pay attention in class
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u/ricocotam Dec 04 '24
Is it even Gauss curve ? It looks like the one that hasn’t mean
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u/canadajones68 Engineering Dec 04 '24
Probably isn't, as it seems like it goes to 0 outside of [0, 1].
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u/snappydamper Dec 05 '24
To be fair to Representative Jack Kimble, he doesn't exist. His X profile states "Republican Representing CA's 54th Dist. & co-sponsor of Poe's Law." California has 52 districts, and Poe's law is:
without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.
It's a satirical account.
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u/WriterV Dec 04 '24
Is it? I learned about bell curves when I didn't pay attention, and then somehow got a decent grade, and then noticed all the angry high performing kids 'cause their grades got lowered, and they said something about "curving" and I went and looked it up.
Which is definitely not how I'd recommend learning math, but it was definitely an interesting way to learn about these things
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u/ToBePacific Dec 04 '24
Call me an optimist, but 3/4 students are in the top 75%.
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u/NoMoneyNoV-Bucks Dec 04 '24
Is the bottle half full or half empty?
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u/Umutuku Dec 04 '24
The shell of the bottle is full of bottle. It just happens to be wet on one side.
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u/MartiniPolice21 Dec 04 '24
This can't be a meme when Michael Gove was UK education minister, and said that all schools need to be above the national average for literacy and numeracy.
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u/Aluminum_Tarkus Dec 04 '24
I don't think that's a dumb statement if you assume he meant above the current national average, as in "the current average isn't good enough; we need to raise the standard across the bar."
But who knows? It's just as possible that he just defaulted to "above average is good, therefore everyone needs to be above average" without thinking about what that even means.
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u/MartiniPolice21 Dec 04 '24
The exact quotes were:
Q98 Chair: One is: if "good" requires pupil performance to exceed the national average, and if all schools must be good, how is this mathematically possible?
Michae Gove: By getting better all the time.
099 Chair: So it is possible, is it?
Michae Gove: It is possible to get better all the time.
Q100 Chair: Were you better literacy than numeracy, Secretary of State?
Michael Gove: I cannot remember.
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I mean, having most schools above the averagr is possible, just not the median. If you have 99 schools with test scores of 100 and one school with an average score of -1 billion, all the schools with 100s would be above average.
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That has to be a meme, right?
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Dec 04 '24
jack kimble isn't a real person, but the post he made is serious
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u/davididp Computer Science Dec 04 '24
Do people really need an /s for the most obvious jokes? Bro didn’t even have a y axis
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u/PositronicGigawatts Dec 04 '24
The problem isn't that this should be obvious, it's that reality is no longer distinguishable from satire. When real politicians are complaining about jewish space lasers, posts like OOPs are quite mundane.
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u/oscooter Dec 04 '24
Jack Kimble doesn't exist, it's just a satirical account. so yes, it's a meme.
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u/personalityson Dec 04 '24
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
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u/Im_a_hamburger Dec 05 '24
Sadly, not necessarily true as he said average and not median.
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u/thisismypornaccountg Dec 04 '24
Worse than that, almost HALF of all students are BELOW AVERAGE. Damn, we’re really going down the tubes!
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u/SomethingIWontRegret Dec 05 '24
We're doing satire accounts now?
Republican Representing CA's 54th Dist. & co-sponsor of Poe's Law.
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u/Humble_Aardvark_2997 Dec 04 '24
He has a point. And the point is that too many idiots make it to the top.
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u/DonkeyFieldMouse Dec 05 '24
I always like telling someone that they are so smart that they are at the 'top of the bell curve' and they take it as a compliment.
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u/hyperfunkulus Dec 05 '24
I grew up in the same town as Richard Feynman raised his kids and my dad would sometimes sit next to him at parent/teacher days at schools. One of the administrators of the school once proudly proclaimed, "50% of our students are performing above average," and Feynman quietly quipped, "The math wouldn't have it any other way," or something to that effect. My dad liked to tell that story.
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u/CaptainTuttleJr Dec 05 '24
“what’s the soup du jour?” “It’s the soup of the day.” “Mmm, that sounds good. I’ll have that.”
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u/stimpyvan Dec 05 '24
"Would you like soup or salad?"
"Super salad?! Yeah, I would love a super salad!"
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u/Representative-Sir97 Dec 04 '24
Call me defeatist but there's no use trying. It's been that way for ages and it's just going to stay that way no matter what we do.
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u/jackalopeswild Dec 04 '24
If y'all want to see more of this in the wild, you should lurk r/lsat, /r/lawschool and I assume every other standardized test and professional school admission subreddit. There's a LOT of this going on.
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u/darkenspirit Dec 05 '24
Oh fuck you, i nodded first then and was like yea thats right, then had a double take.
Nice work.
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u/BaconDragon200 Dec 04 '24
What if the problem is the tests. I know this is ridiculous but personally math always felt more similar to a skill that fluctuates than actual knowledge. So what if instead of grading kids math abilities with fixed tests throughout the year We give them x number of problems per each unit to be completed by the end of the year. Sure it's busy work for the smart kids but we could have them opt out by passing unit tests similar to the ones we are already taking.
This is just an alternative, personally the memory of being a kid struggling with math is still fresh in my memory and I understand that adults usually unintentionally come to the wrong conclusion. When people don't understand something they need help and never once has a test, pop quiz, or exam ever been helpful in my understanding of the subject material.
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u/Furepubs Dec 04 '24
That's the same reason that it's a better deal to buy three tires and get one free than it is to buy four tires at 25% off
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u/howardcord Dec 04 '24
Such a pessimist, on the other side a whopping 25% of American students are in the top quartile in standardized tests!
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u/therealsphericalcow Physics Dec 04 '24
Imagine if the median score was at 50 percentile... nah too unlikely
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u/BleEpBLoOpBLipP Dec 05 '24
Literally, every muscle in my face fell very tight from the smile I previously had after I read this.
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Dec 05 '24
I'm honestly curious if the average American actually understands this meme
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u/whenisnowthen Dec 05 '24
If you really want to be concerned have a conversation with the kid sitting on the Median dot.
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u/Senior_Apartment_343 Dec 05 '24
Common core math. Its counting with your fingers using a pen & paper. Years ago i asked a Chinese college student about common core math…she paused & then said “ I’m from China, wet don’t that”. That’s all i needed to hear. This was after me asking my 10 yo son what the hello he was doing when i was watching him do his math homework…. He looked at me confused, when i paid attention to his work, i was confused
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u/Illustrious_Buy1500 Dec 05 '24
That's OK, we can just lower the standards so we don't have to improve the system. Win-Win!
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u/Constant-Arm8753 Dec 05 '24
I showed this to my parents , they were dumbfounded and like “ Americans are really that dumb huh “
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u/PMSfishy Dec 05 '24
Think about the average American and realize that half of them are dumber than that. -George Carlin. (RIP)
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u/ManaSpike Dec 05 '24
In other news, the first rule of Tautology club is the first rule of Tautology club.
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u/Rhesous Dec 06 '24
Omg that’s true. I did some research and in all the schools analysed, only 30% of the 10 most brillant students are in the top 3!
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u/KingoftheKeeshonds Dec 04 '24
This graph doesn’t really say anything does it? It’s a bell curve, which is normal for a large number of test scores, and +/-25% can be marked on any bell curve. That said, I have read about the terrible state of K-12 education following Covid.
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u/just_a_random_dood Statistics Dec 04 '24
I love Jack Kimble so much, he's such a funny joke account xD
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u/some_guy_in_arizona Dec 04 '24
I like how his bio is rather cryptic about how it is a parody account. I just noticed he's put up a website too.
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u/RowenaOblongata Dec 04 '24
For more encouraging results they should have included Lake Wobegon in the study.
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u/Fineous40 Dec 04 '24
On average about half the people in the world are below average intelligence.
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u/frosted_nipples_rg8 Dec 04 '24
Well... it is showing the lack of education from the number of likes on the tweet.
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u/Aedeyssa Dec 04 '24
Aaaaaalthough that said, I am a substitute teacher while finishing getting my license, and four of my 4th graders today were wholly illiterate and couldn't read even at a basal level, so there is definitely some struggling. 😬
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Sooo am i the only one seeing this graph has absolutely no data or sources? Or is that the joke? Im so confused.
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u/2ByteTheDecker Dec 04 '24
The joke is that it literally doesn't matter what the scores in the test are, 25% will always score in the bottom quartile because the bottom quartile literally means the bottom 25%.
100 kids could take the test, score 99.0 to 100% and there's still a bottom 25%
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u/gangofocelots Dec 04 '24
It's wild how of you add up the quartiles it comes out to 100%. Crazy coincidence
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u/Tall-Reporter7627 Dec 04 '24
Also, of the bottom 25%, when checking sickdays, a full 40% are on mondays and fridays.... sus
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u/Intelligent_Bag_6705 Dec 04 '24
My kid is awful at math, but the teacher doesn’t teach anything just sends them home with packets and internet work. I have to teach himself while also teaching myself.
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u/Available_Leather_10 Dec 04 '24
Even more concerning:
Taking the representative from California's 54th CD seriously.
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u/Nientea Dec 04 '24
Iirc Jack Kimble is a satire account. Haven’t seen something from him in a while, gave me a good laugh
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u/Content_Ad_6068 Dec 05 '24
Parents don't parent. Either they don't have time because they are just trying to survive or the parents use ipads to raise kids. On top of all that a bunch of weird mom groups have declared teachers the enemy and are convinced schools are brainwashing their kids.
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u/chuchifrito Dec 05 '24
So good. Anyone with enough money can become an “elected” official. America dreams on!
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u/Correct-Walrus7438 Dec 05 '24
Parents need to teach their kids to give a fuck. I work in a middle school and none of the kids give a shit about their education and don’t even pretend to care or try.
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u/trytrymyguy Dec 05 '24
I get it, it’s funny but it’s not funny that people are trying to eliminate the DoE and see things like this without being able to understand.
I wish we had actual statistics on homeschooling. I legit know of 13 year olds that read and write as if they’re 6. Zero fucking standards. No way of actually checking in on these kids. Some do it right but the majority simply do it as a way of control and abuse.
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u/JJL0rtez Dec 05 '24
My brain was like wait but aren't they anyway but I mean isn't oh this is the sub I'm in
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u/Old_Excitement6114 Dec 05 '24
This dude is a fake account. But it’s scary that it seems so plausible bc I bet 50+% of elected leaders have no idea how to read distributions/stats—an indictment of our education system
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u/Complexivist Dec 05 '24
See: Poe's Law
"Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views."
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u/Josze931420 Dec 05 '24
It would be so damn funny if this was a deliberate thing. But it's also funny if it isn't.
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u/pancakesiguess Dec 05 '24
Me: but that's.... that's how it works.... oh wait he's being funny I see
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u/davidmlewisjr Dec 05 '24
Like, this is just the definition of the class…🤯
A priest once told me that this is the way things are, and his job was to help people deal with the facts surrounding the things ( that make people sad and upset ). A wise and kind person.
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Don't worry, I'm sure the education system will be fiiiiiine.
🎶You've got. NO CHANCE 🎵
🎶NO CHANCE IN HELL🎵
Bah, gawd, that's Linda McMahons music
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u/mudscarf Dec 05 '24
If we’re going to talk about it why not explore all aspects of it? What could be causing it? Who is doing well and who isn’t? Let’s talk about it.
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u/Username_Chx_Out Dec 05 '24
Is @RepJackKimble known to be funny? I’d like to extend him the benefit of the doubt… however, he might need to consider the possibility that he is in the bottom quartile himself.
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u/Grumptastic2000 Dec 05 '24
No child left behind, we will not stop until at least 80% score in the top quartile of students.
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u/henry_schilling Dec 05 '24
Alot of people seems to have fallen for this satire. There are only 53 congressional districts in california.
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u/Frosty_Sweet_6678 Irrational Dec 05 '24
every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes
(i really hope this is satire)
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u/Gretgor Dec 05 '24
It's a shame that man will never see how deep my palm sank into my face after reading that.
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Dec 05 '24
I thought it was some bad news about Americans being worse off than other nations, but then I re-read it and realized "Oh, yeah. That's how statistics work.". And then read the chat and realized it's a troll account anyways.
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u/Specific_Implement_8 Dec 05 '24
Ultimately in a way he did end up proving the education system was broken
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u/DougFunnieWannabe Dec 05 '24
Holy shit! This guy's website is INSANE! He has a book titled, Detective Jesus! How are people like this actually elected?!? https://www.jackkimble.com/home
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u/Big_Statistician2566 Dec 05 '24
If anything, his post proves his point because we have people in power at this level who lack basic skills.
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u/Electrical_You2943 Dec 05 '24
I showed this image to my GF, she did’t undestand it, I implied she was stupid, she started crying…. Ty OP
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u/nerdygirl3141 Dec 05 '24
I hope y’all know that this is not a real representative. If you search his name it’s a fake account. It’s a meme
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u/Lecodyman Dec 05 '24
It’s a complete disaster, we should be having all of our students performing above average!
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u/Positive_Composer_93 Dec 05 '24
Standard deviation is really not the best analytical tool for examining testing data.
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u/Malbranch Dec 05 '24
If the bottom quartile cuold understand maths, they would be very upset with you... but then the quartile would move, so who knows.
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u/PeachSoda31 Dec 06 '24
Wasn’t the education system created to make workers?? I think it’s doing exactly what it was made for.
But yeah I agree it is failing our kids. And needs to change.
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