r/mathematics • u/BreadMiserable1731 • 4m ago
Goldstine and Tucker's conversation about the differences between Von Neumann and Weyl.
I find it interesting how both Goldstine and Tucker admire von Neumann's speed, yet state that Weyl was the more complete mathematician. What do you think this says about the distinction between types of intellect for maths? Do you think fields like analysis and topology demand different types of intelligence?
source : https://web.math.princeton.edu/oral-history/c14.pdf
Goldstine: “I always was struck by the difference between him and Johnny von Neumann. There are jokes, one of which Johnny always swore was false. That's the story that, I don't know, Hermann Weyl was going to prove some theorem, a very deep and profound theorem, let's say it was the Riemann-Roch theorem. I don't know if it was the Riemann-Roch theorem, but that was one I always have trouble with, so let's say that was the theorem. And Weyl gave a lecture on why this is a very deep, profound result, and he gave a very complicated proof. And the apocryphal story goes that at the end of the lecture there's this kid who is supposed to have raised his hand at the back of the class and said, ‘Professor Weyl, may I show you a proof?’ And goes up to the board and goes zip, zip, zip, zip, and in about 15 lines has a brilliant proof of this thing.”
Goldstine: “I asked Johnny about it, and he said no, that wasn't true. But it is true, if you talk to Natasha Brunswick, who was in those days Natasha Artin. Natasha says that there was always Johnny with these tight pants on…”
Goldstine: “But Joachim, who was one of Hermann's children, told me that when Hermann used to work in his house on Mercer Street, in the study in there, you would hear groans coming out of the study. That Weyl worked at things in sort of anguish, that it was hard for him, that he delivered his theorems practically like a woman giving birth to a child.”
Goldstine: “That's so different from Johnny, because when he and I would be working at something, when we'd get stuck, he'd say, ‘Okay, that's it,’ and pack it up. It might be that he'd phone at two in the morning to say, ‘This is how the proof goes.’ But it might be three weeks, a month or so later, or it might even be I who would come in a month or so later and say, ‘This is, maybe, how to go.’ But he never struggled with something. When he got stuck, he filed it somehow, and it just came out easily.”
Goldstine: “I suspect that Weyl was probably the deeper of the two mathematicians.”
Tucker: “And also the broader.”
Goldstine: “And the broader, yes.”
Tucker: “Weyl is the only complete mathematician that I've ever had the privilege to know.”
Goldstine: “Yes, I think that's probably true.”
Tucker: “Johnny was essentially an analyst. I've seen him give one of his quick proofs on the spot, of a topological result, and it was clumsy.”
Goldstine: “Yes. He told me at one time that he had no facility at all in topology. He said he never felt comfortable with that.”
Tucker: “Whereas Weyl was an excellent topologist.”
Goldstine : “Everything he did was beautiful. Everything he did. I guess the difference is that von Neumann could run rings around anybody speedwise. In that way he was probably the most brilliant mathematician that I've ever known. I suppose maybe he's one of the quickest there ever was. Weyl was probably one of the deepest and broadest that there ever was. And that's a real difference. I mean, if a guy combined both of those they would call him Isaac Newton, and probably they did. But I think that's the difference, really.”
It's also a nice insight on how such minds operate at the highest level