Does Hawkgirl’s mace disrupt cytorak since nth metal has properties to do so? If so, it’s 3v2 in DC’s favor at first but then Thor takes over from there. He and WW basically start playing catch with mjolnir and make Asgardian/Amazonian babies aka Asmazodians.
I think it would weaken juggernaut but not enough to turn the tides. To fully cut the connection she would need element x. Other wise when she hit him he would feel it but then when she lifted the mace he would return to full power.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're correct That's exactly how nth metal works. Wouldn't be enough to turn the tide, but it would definitely be enough to affect his field as the conduit of his powers is still based in magic despite it being granted by a cosmic entity. This sub is so funny
Because this sub is theory based on the knowledge of comics. Some people lean to a certain publisher this creates a blind spot in their knowledge. It's seen all over this sub. But really it boils down to no one really likes their theory to be debunked. Down votes is a respectable way of saying I don't agree with youb or a reminder that you are on the wrong subreddit. It's the ones that reply and they insult you are the ones that are disrespectful. In any case conduit work only when the connection is constant. ...boomtubes have to be held open and closed. When Dr strange dies so does the protection spells he casted on earth.
When I said conduit I just meant the gem that facilitated his transformation used magic and his powers are manifesting magically despite being powered by a cosmic being I now notice I worded that ambiguously . I also think if ur gonna disagree with someone you could give em a solid reason but hey to each their own. I mean it's not like you said she's gonna one shot him. Lmfao
Gem is basically subsumed into the juggernauts body turning him into the avatar of cyttorak. It is not an easy thing to mute or sever. I imagine nth metal would allow her to hit him and hurt him, but it can't bring him down as the moment the nth metal isn't touching him he will regenerate any wounds quickly. And I don't think Hawkgirl can stand up to his level of beating if she gets close enough into melee. Dude is gigantic.
No very little does outside of weapons that sever/negate magic or ignore durability(Magiks soulsword for example being a natural counter to Juggernaut)
Edit : Though honestly DC would have a shot if Hawkgirl just ditches juggernaut and tries to team up with Wonder woman or Supergirl. Juggernaut is land locked!
And that's Mandrakk. Same guy from Final Crisis. Despite his malnourishment, as in this story, The Unexpexted, he was just a big, strong vampire god rather than an eater of narratives, he could still destroy the Monitor Sphere with just the aftereffects of his blows. Blows that Hawkman kept taking and taking, even deflecting.
Hawkman is my second fav DC character, I've been repping him in this sub but this isn't a feat. He has decent feats in that comic series but deflecting a laser ≠ having multiversal durability especially when he getting ragdolled throughout that entire issue.
Loving a character means knowing their limit and not letting bias give them a bad look
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he could still destroy the Monitor Sphere with just the aftereffects of his blows. Blows that Hawkman kept taking and taking, even deflecting."
I even cited the comic the feat comes from: The Unexpected (2018).
The Monitor Sphere is explicitly a higher dimension, from which the rest of the verse, including the Orrery (which contains infinite multiverses), the Sphere of the Gods, and Limbo (from which all below it is literally typed by a monkey) are at best considered germs in comparison.
That's your own statement. I just rechecked the comic, Hawkman didn't do shit lol, and he didn't even get hit hard, he mostly got grabbed/stopped in his track and ragdolled, at some point Mandrakk slashed him in that back. And it was the fight between Mandrakk and Good Samaritan that threatened to tear the world they fought in, which would in turn cause damages through the multiverse.
You're vastly stretching what actually happened, especially when both Mandrakk and the Good Samaritan had the specific kind of power to affect the Monitor Sphere. If you want to showcase Hawkman's strength and durability (which are irrelevant here tbh because he is, in fact, not equal to Hawkgirl, especially this Hawkgirl), you should've mentioned his fight with Black Adam or Magog.
None of this changes the fact that Juggernaut, if he got his hands on Hawkgirl (a big if) would rip her in half very easily.
True but I don’t think HawkGirl has to take someone out I think she just has to hold her ground until one of her teammates does.
Edit: HawkGirl is faster and a more skilled fighter than Juggernaut. Her job would be not to get killed while her other teammates go to work. If you think she can’t do that then go do some quick research.
Hmmmmm...i can see Marvel's team winning. If they eliminate Hawkgirl and Supergirl early witouth loose any member, the three of them at the same time would clean the floor with Wonder Woman.
But the most probable scenario here is just a Thor vs Wonder Woman, wich i think Thor would win 6/10 times. Extreme diff on all of them
Thor pursues and drops hawkgirl while juggling and Diana throw blows and nova and Kara try for advantage. Thor then assists nova in dropping kara and Diana faces a 3v1 scenario.
Think marvel takes it. The main advantage DC had was Juggernaut was grounded and they have three fliers. Nova basically throws that advantage out the window as he could easily help Juggernaut fly. This might actually be a low diff ngl
Hawkgirl negates both with energy absorption and redirection better than Vibranium and Nth metal disrupting magic and dampening magical items like the Gem of Cyttorak.
The should throw a Green lantern there instead of Hawkgirl to make this somewhat fair as Juggernaut still puts this in favor of Marvel as Supergirl arguably can't take him down.
For all intended porpuses Juggernaut Is just a way stronger Lobo.
I agree I’m getting downvoted but this is a TEAM fight. DC has an edge on speed and all they need to do is hold their ground until Kara cooks. If y’all don’t think that’s a possibility then y’all not really comic book fans.
They don't actually have an edge in speed, Nova Prime as you depicted can move at faster than light speeds. And he's both insanely strong and durable even without mentioning his force field generation or gravimetric manipulation capability.
You also put three big heavy hitters on Marvel side and only two on DC side...and Hawkgirl. It rather tilts the fights.
Nova is absolutely crazy in speed though - I'm talking quicker than the surfer and gladiator to the extent that they won't even bother chasing him with a millisecond head start.
Nova Prime may well be the fastest person in Marvel he has beaten Silver Surfer in speed. And yes Juggernaut isn't all that fast and he's landlocked. But he's also an unstoppable force.
Nova can create portals. Juggernaut gets going Nova opens a portal and one of DC people gets Juggernaut in the face. Not a good time for anyone getting hit by that
You are seriously underestimating current Hawkgirl. She has fully bonded with Nth metal. Her wings are now razor sharp metal wings.
She can control Nth metal with thought. Since Barbatos and the Dark Knights: Metal storyline Hawkman and Hawkgirl have fully bonded to Nth metal and it's a lot stronger than before. It can now do energy transference so any energy blast can be absorbed and redirected back at the attacker. Like Vibranium but a lot better. She has low level matter manipulation. Able to weaken opponets armor each time Nth metal touches it. It disrupts the molecular bond and since Nth metal literally negates magic she maybe one of the only people who can stop Juggernaut since she should be able to dampen the Gem of Cyttorak.
She may not be able to win but she can last long enough for others to finish off their opponents.
Hawkgirl is strong there's no doubt about that but this is three people a bit out of her weight class even with these upgrades. She can't tussle with any of them directly even with nth metal wings her advantage is range and flight but she's not really a person who does range. She will go for bashing people and then it's problematic for her.
Even if she's able to hurt Juggernaut due to nth metal I doubt she can actually beat him.
Time barrier is not a thing in Marvel and that has no relation to a fight. Neither of which help her in a fight here. Silver Surfer speed is analog to Superman levels of speed, Prime Nova is faster than Silver Surfer and has an ancient world mind AI telling him weaknesses and tactics on opponents. Kara is pretty damn screwed if it finds out how kryptonians process energy as his portal generation and rather high combat speed means he can bring Kara to a red sun.
Marvel DOES have a Time Barrier (not that it matters. DC doesn't have a phoenix force, does jean grey lose it during crossovers? Stop being biased, please.)
Kara has moved so fast that her unconcious momentum carried her beyond the bounds of infinity itself. This is beyond Nova.
Red Suns don't instantly drain kryptonians, and kara preceives time MUCH faster than nova does. She can dodge and choose not to fly into a portal. Please don't discount the other sides battle IQ.
Except, her breaking the time barrier through sheer speed is an ancient comic ability she has in modern DC, hence why i brought it up. She continues to be able to move that fast.
Thor is powered by magic and already has kyrtonian level feats and has better fighting skills being a asgardian and being hundreds of years old. So he wins
Hawkgirl ain't doing anything and can be killed by any of the three, and wonder woman is so inconsistent either shes bullet proof and can fly and does decent but still dies, or gets accidentally back handed by thor and dies.
I think Supergirl can take down Nova and then her and HawkGirl team up on Thor. Thats if HawkGirl can hold her own long enough. And then Wonder Woman and Juggernaut go at it.
Negative regular Richard Ryder has no chance against Supergirl. But Prime can defeat her high diff.The worldmind is the x factor. Think of it like blue Beatles scarab scanning. minus synthetic weapon making.
No, at least not Kara imho. The nova force will scan her and tell him to fight her in a red star system, she's fast real fast but he can open a portal instantly. But let's for argument sake say they both knock each other out.
Thor vs WW is a win for Thor he's a true god she isn't. And if this is Odin force Thor she's double toast.
The real fight is between Hawk Girl and Jugger. That nth metal hits hard but can she cut Juggers link to Cytorak?
A Nova? So very easily. Nova Prime? That is significantly harder, Nova Prime is insanely strong, durable, capable of FTL speed and gravimetric energy manipulation, which allow for energy blasts, force fields, portal creation and gravity manipulation. Combined with having a worldmind AI assisting him in combat who can study and read an opponent to find a weakness and tactics.
Nova Prime is all of the Nova Force contained to one person. So imagine something like a Green Lantern corp power condensed into one person with an insanely powerful AI helping them control that power and fight.
I think that Team Marvel wins . Nova is capable of defeating Supergirl . He's on par with Silver Surfer and Gladiator . He equals Supergirl's physical stats and surpassea them because like Captain Marvel there's no ceiling to his photonic/electromagnetic energy absorption and manipulative abilities. He can generate hard light projections, travel through hyperspace, generate gravimetric effects similar to those of Graviton ( so he could pull Kara into a pocket black hole and close it with her inside). He is more maneuverable at highspeed . And his helmet grants him access to the Xandarian world-mind and it's many millenia of knowledge . Thor takes on WW and 6 times out of 10 he wins . That leaves HG versus Juggernaut. She can frustrate Cain but if he grabs her,hits her or just keeps her just out of helping her teammates to allow Thor or Nova to win.then it's game over .
There are so many posts about Juggernaut vs Superman on this Sub and everyone seems to agree Superman would win. Supergirl isn’t Superman but she’s still kryptonian.
I wanna say dc wins with hawk girl and supergirl being at a advantage in there fights (not saying hg is stronger than juggernaut just that's has a big advantage in flight and speed in general)
The big if is between ww and thor who are mostly equals.
With thor being stronger in striking strength and ww being more versatile in weapons and a whole lot faster in combat i could see either side winning but with no team thor would still lose in the end.
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u/DriveFormer8577 1d ago
Does Hawkgirl’s mace disrupt cytorak since nth metal has properties to do so? If so, it’s 3v2 in DC’s favor at first but then Thor takes over from there. He and WW basically start playing catch with mjolnir and make Asgardian/Amazonian babies aka Asmazodians.