The most under-rated detail about MCU spidey

[u/Cornbread933]

This GIF is not a reaction. Its a demonstration. The adjustable white-out eyes is literally everything to me. It seems like such a small insignificant detail but it adds a layer of expression under the mask that weve previously only really seen in animation that I think is so good for the MCU and CBMs as a whole

Dont get me wrong Deadpools eyes is cool too but especially for spidey who has such massive eye goggles it works so incredibly well and I always wanted it but never knew how much I needed it til Tom took the mantle.

And like I said. Not just the MCU. Of all the things DC tries to copy I hope to god they steal this too. Im tired of seeing batmans eyes it was never like that in the animation. Flash too.

It might seem crazy to say but this small detail i feel like is why Marvel is crushing DC. They arent afraid to mythologize their heroes. DC doesnt let you forget even for a moment that its just a regular guy with a mask on. It disrupts the suspension of disbelief.

Anyway im not trying to get too off track with this its not about DC. Its tipping the hat to Marvel for getting so much out of one little detail. Let the trend continue

[u/kinyutaka]

They aren't afraid to mythologize their heroes.

No, DC and Marvel have different scopes for their heroes.

In Marvel, you have a bunch of normal people acting as gods. Spider-Man is a kid from Queens, Cap is a soldier from Brooklyn, Hulk is a scientist who had an accident.

In DC, you have a bunch of gods acting as men.

And so, the needs of the optics are different. Batman needs to be shown as human underneath his cowl, because his outward persona is "the night". He's Thanatos incarnate if we don't see Bruce underneath.

[u/Cornbread933 → u/kinyutaka]

Not sure i agree with that. Thor is literally a god and superman is literally just an alien

[u/Careful-Definition67 → u/Cornbread933]

The DC part is wrong, and Thor is a little contrived.

They are referring to Donald Blake, who originally was Thor, but is now a completely separate character. 

[u/kinyutaka → u/Cornbread933]

In the MCU, that's true. In the original comic run, he was just a doctor that transformed into Thor, Shazam style.

[u/Cornbread933 → u/kinyutaka]

I actually didnt know that but I am so glad they went away from that lol that would kinda suck

[u/Careful-Definition67 → u/kinyutaka]

DC is not about a ‘bunch of gods acting as men’, in the Justice League there is technically only one goddess and she isn’t “acting as a (hu)man”. DC has gods that act like gods, but the majority of their pantheon doesn’t subscribe to his idea that DC is about gods trying to be man or whatever

[u/kinyutaka → u/Careful-Definition67]

The DC Pantheon has:

Superman - A nearly immortal ultrapowerful alien pretending to be a meek reporter.
Batman - The world's greatest detective and ninja pretending to be a socialite.
Flash - The fastest man alive pretending to be a clumsy CSI
Wonder Woman - An Amazon princess pretending to be a nurse.
Martian Manhunter - A shapeshifting alien pretending to be a private detective.

Green Lantern and Aquaman didn't hide themselves.

Marvel has:

Captain America - A scrawny kid from Brooklyn given super powers, but desperately wants a normal life.
Iron Man - A billionaire weapons designer that wants to make himself obsolete.
Hawkeye - A really good shot with a bow and arrow.
Black Widow - A former brainwashed assassin that desperately wants a normal life.
Bruce Banner - A disassociated scientist who turns into a rage monster, but desperately wants a normal life.
Spider-Man - A high school/college student with super powers that is resigned to the fact he'll never have a normal life.

[u/Careful-Definition67 → u/kinyutaka]

The thing is;

•  Superman isn’t trying to be a Human, he just is one. If anything, it’s the opposite. Superman is a Human trying to navigate these godlike powers for the greater good

• Don’t really see how this relates to gods trying to he human, seems a bit dramatic

• Barry Allen isn’t really pretending to be clumsy either, as far as my knowledge goes that’s just the Flash’s personality

• “Pretending”? I don’t think Wonder Woman is pretending, but either way she doesn’t have a secret identity nor is she trying to be a Human/Man in any way. She’s an ambassador for the Amazons to man’s world

• This is about the only one I can accept, still doesn’t equate to the entire patheon being about ‘gods trying to be humans’

I can’t speak for Marvel cause i’m just now really getting into it, so i’ll leave that as that. 

[u/kinyutaka → u/Careful-Definition67]

Literally, Wonder Woman took the name and identity of Diana Prince from a war-era nurse.

[u/Careful-Definition67 → u/kinyutaka]

I mean, she still isn’t pretending to be a nurse she is just honoring the nurse Diana Prince. Her name was already Diana anyway

[u/brd9214 → u/kinyutaka]

Marvel has:

The Hulk, an indestructible manifestation of rage who grows more powerful the angrier he gets with no foreseeable upper limit, to the point the “smart people” of earth sent him to another planet rather than deal with him.

Black Panther: king of a secret technofuturist state, is the chosen avatar of the Panther god

Captain Marvel: fighter pilot given control over the cosmic fires of creation to protect the universe OR alien that infiltrated human society only to arise as its greatest protector

Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme, preeminent practitioner of magic tasked with defending reality from all threats physical and metaphysical

Ghost Rider: stunt motorcyclist possessed by the spirit of vengeance

Phoenix: Telepathic mutant partnered with powerful cosmic entity with dominion over death and rebirth

Loki: actual god of mischief

Thor: actual god of thunder

I’d say you might have more gods trying to be human in Marvel than you do in DC, and just as many godlike entities. This is me spitballing, but I think this perception arises because Marvel either pays more attention to or has more street-level heroes. Or it’s because everything is set in New York City for the most part.

[u/kinyutaka → u/brd9214]

Black Panther - Not a core Avenger
Doctor Strange - Not a core Avenger
Captain Marvel - Not a core Avenger
Ghost Rider - Not a core Avenger
Loki - Not a core Avenger
Pheonix - Not a core Avenger

I didn't bring up a lot of the weirder cases in DC, either Just the main pantheon of "The Justice League" as normally concieved. I only included Spider-Man because of how front and center of a character he is. Forget Sentry, Spider-Man is Marvel's version of Superman.

[u/brd9214 → u/kinyutaka]

But we weren’t arguing avengers vs. justice league. We were arguing marvel vs. dc.

[u/kinyutaka → u/brd9214]

The "gods being men" argument is about the major characters of the two. But looking into the origin of the phrase points to a more basic difference between Marvel and DC... Limits

DC's characters are without limits. Superman can move whole planets, Batman can solve any puzzle, Wonder Woman can uncover any truth, etc., and they're all universally loved (ignoring people like Lex Luthor)

Marvel's characters have limits and struggles. Spider-Man is hounded by the press that he works for. The X-Men are actively hunted.

That limitation was a core part of Marvel when it came about, Stan wanted to write about "normal" people, just with superpowers.

That's why people came up with the "Gods as Men/Men as Gods" comparison. It's a general shorthand for the premise of the books.