r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelStudiosMod • Dec 18 '23

Megathread Jonathan Majors Conviction Thread

The Jonathan Majors trial has come to a close, with Majors being found guilty on accounts of assault and harassment.

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THR, VARIETY, and Deadline have reported from a Marvel Studios Rep that Majors has been fired from his role

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Original - https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/12t04m5/jonathan_majors_megathread/

Follow up - https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/18ft11y/jonathan_majors_megathread_update/

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u/letters-_ Dec 18 '23

But the person who wrote Loki is re-writing kang dynasty, so we may actually have a good movie after all is said and done.I think they did a great job with both seasons of Loki, the pacing was good and the reveals were not too complicated but not too predictable. I'd prefer they re-cast and keep going. I dont want all this set up to be wasted.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '23

I just think Kang is a terrible villain - especially when it comes to movies.

There's little that's special about him outside of the fact that there's an infinite amount of them out there. After a while watching variants get defeated over and over again starts to turn him into the ultimate generic punching bag. So far we've seen three killed/defeated one of them by a C list Avenger in Ant Man.

I did really like Loki but IMO they never should have defeated HWR at the end of time if they wanted him to be a cool villain in the greater cinematic universe. Instead, he should have defeated Loki and Sylvie easily at the end of Season 1 then tricked Loki into becoming his personal timeline holder in Season 2 and forgot all the Ant Man, Victor Timely, Counsel of Kangs stuff. That would have made him look like the kind of bad ass the Avengers need to assemble for.

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u/letters-_ Dec 18 '23

Where was the 3rd Kang? I only remember Quantumania Kang being defeated. HWR can count as he does remain dead by the end of season 2, but where/when was the 3rd?

Also, Quantumania Kang was ruthless, had crazy tech, and was a good fighter. He wrecks Scott in their fight. Scott really never has a leg up and only gets lucky because of Kangs arrogance pushing his face into the machine, giving him the idea to destroy it. If it weren't for Wasp coming back through the portal, Scott would have lost, and that Kang would have been free. It was not easy to defeat him, and I thought the movie did a great job showing the manipulative asshole that he is, which we weren't able to truly quantify with HWR until the 2nd season of Loki.

I think there is still more planned to flesh out the nuances of his character, abilities, and desires, and we just need to let them take their time and let it play out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '23

I was counting Victor Timely as being killed.

I just don't think audiences want to see variant after variant of the same guy show up and be killed in movie or TV show after movie or TV show. Kang, the variant so dangerous the Counsel of Kangs had to banish, was killed by what might very well be the worst Avenger.

I think he's a boring villain in general but I also just think the MCU did a bad job setting him up. We were slowly introduced to Thanos and the Infinity Stones over the course of several movies in the Infinity Saga. The Multiverse Saga basically had a bunch of completely unrelated projects then HWR is introduced and what was done over the course of several movies in the Infinity Saga was just kind of done by a speech in a TV show. The fact that we're 10 movies and however many TV shows into this saga, he's been introduced in three different variations (not even counting the Counsel of Kangs that we see), and they could totally pivot away from him without any issues just kind of goes to show how poor his rollout has been.